AK-47 Under Folder or Solid Stock ?

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Hey every one I have decided it is time to add a AK to my collection. I already own a DPMS AP4 w/quad rail and the works , its my nail driver! But I always loved the look of the AK:evil: and the price of ammo is really a great selling point.

I have narrowed my search down to two possible rifles. Both are assembled by the same company Koraynovich Arms. The first is a converted Saiga, the second a Polish under folder kit.

http://www.koraynovicharms.com/

1.) The solid stock "Russian RAK Red Classic Rifle"($850)

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct655.aspx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHZOfW5dtiA

2.)Polish Under Folder ($750)

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct656.aspx

I love the classic look of both just cant decide on the stock please help!
 
I'm usually a proponent of solid stocks over underfolders, as the underfolders don't provide a good cheek weld or as solid of a stock. But you said your ar is your primary rifle for accurate shots, so you may or may not have more fun with the underfolder.

At the same time, 850 seems a little steep for a converted saiga. That's a pretty easy DIY job for about $400 less...
 
il_10 said:
I'm usually a proponent of solid stocks over underfolders, as the underfolders don't provide a good cheek weld or as solid of a stock. But you said your ar is your primary rifle for accurate shots, so you may or may not have more fun with the underfolder.

At the same time, 850 seems a little steep for a converted saiga. That's a pretty easy DIY job for about $400 less...
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There in lies my problem this would be a fun rifle but just because its is my fun rifle doesn't mean i want to slip on quality. As for converting the rifle my self i have no builds under my belt just trigger work and cosmetics on my AR. I also have had no experience with AKs so i don't know if that would be the best route for me.
 
Underfolders look really cool, but ain't great for shooting and have a tendency to go wobbly with use.

Go solid or AK-100 left side folder. BSW
 
briansmithwins said:
Underfolders look really cool, but ain't great for shooting and have a tendency to go wobbly with use.

Go solid or AK-100 left side folder. BSW
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Thanks thats what Iv heard. But I just want to be absolute so i wont have any buyers remorse. Im also a pretty big guy around 6'5". Is one Stock longer then the other?
 
Ryder0001 said:
briansmithwins said:
Underfolders look really cool, but ain't great for shooting and have a tendency to go wobbly with use.

Go solid or AK-100 left side folder. BSW
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Thanks thats what Iv heard. But I just want to be absolute so i wont have any buyers remorse. Im also a pretty big guy around 6'5". Is one Stock longer then the other?
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The under folder, side folder and fixed stocks on factory AKs are all gonna be "Warsaw length".

I don't know of any AKs that ship with a NATO length stock. This is a stock that is about 1¼" longer than the standard "Warsaw length" stock.
 
There are a number of side folders that are 'period correct' and will hold up better over time than the underfolders. Thing is if you HAVE an original underfolder you can replace any worn parts without violating 922r. If you have a 'parts gun' you need to be sure your parts are US made for compliance. The Soviets went to a side folder so they could use a longer 40 rd magazine some 20 years ago or more.
 
I don't know of any AKs that ship with a NATO length stock.
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Some of the Arsenal rifles ship with the 'NATO' long stocks.

K-Var usually has the 'NATO' stocks for fixed stock rifles, with the folders you get what you get.

Unless you really really need a folder don't pay any extra to get one. BSW
 
Thanks every one I love both! The under folder appeals to me because well it looks so cool. But the solid stock is true Russian and everyone seems to prefer solid stocks. As it stands Im leaning to the Saiga. Any under folder fans that want to try to sway my decision?
 
I have a WASR 10/63 underfolder. It's very nice. The stock is solid, and the cheek weld is pretty good actually. Nice thing about the WASR is the barrel is already threaded, so I could immediately install a good muzzle brake. I'm kind of wishing I went solid stock, though. I just think it might have balanced better and been a little lighter.
 
The cheek-weld thing about U/Folders is greatly exagerated. Folks shoot the cumbersome S/Folder AMDs all day long and love them. Do a para-cord wrap on any metal-framed stock and you'll be fine.

My Yugo U/F with wood forestocks is a solid beast, and my Polski U/F is sweet too. My 2 side-folder Romy's are a dream to shoot. The only fixed-stock AKM I own is my plum-poly'd AKM-74, otherwise I can't fathom owning an AK that doesn't look max-wicked.

You can imagine that if another ban ever hits, the absolute full-tilt evil-ness of a U/F AK will cause it to be the first to be banned.
The mere sight of an U/F AK is enough to cause Feinstein's yeast infection to flare or Pelosi's hemmoroids to burn. Get the folder, it calls for you.
 
If your Saiga is like the one in the video I watched, it is a beautiful gun. True, it is a lot of money for the conversion but it really looks good. Also, since it is true Russian,, my guess it's a great shooter. I have an Egyptian Maadi myself, therefore I'm recommending the full stock version. I think the underfolders are fun to shoot once or twice, they lose their appeal after a while. For the long run the full stock is much better.
 
XD9GUY said:
If your Saiga is like the one in the video I watched, it is a beautiful gun. True, it is a lot of money for the conversion but it really looks good. Also, since it is true Russian,, my guess it's a great shooter. I have an Egyptian Maadi myself, therefore I'm recommending the full stock version. I think the underfolders are fun to shoot once or twice, they lose their appeal after a while. For the long run the full stock is much better.
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Thanks for the input! It would be Identical to the one in the video :)
 
I don't own an underfolder but one of my jobs at work are foreign weapons demonstrations. We have a few Romanian and a couple Yugo underfolders and a Chinese Type 56-1 we refer to as the hard tail. Our demonstrations include a couple mag dumps on full auto as well as a few more precision shots. I tried an underfolder once and was NOT impressed with it. The stock weld was poor and they wobble a lot when fired. Every demonstration I do these days I will always take the hard tail over a folder any day. Now that being said though, I have a couple side folders (East German and Romanian) and those are better. The stock weld isn't the greatest but liveable but mainly, they don't wobble when extended.
 
The main thing I like about my underfolder is how compact and easy to carry / sling it is when folded. The main thing I dislike about my underfolder is that I cannot easily work the gun's safety switch when the stock is folded, and it takes a moment to unfold the stock. This has resulted in me storing it with the safety off and the chamber empty. However, I am planning to have Dinzag modify my safety switch and install a tab which should allow me to operate it even when folded.
 
The underfolders do look cool. I have a Vector UF built on a polish kit. One thing to consider is if you have an underfolder you can't convert it to a solid or side-folding stock later on without major surgery.
If it's just a fun gun I'd have no problem going with an underfolder and they do get pretty compact and handy when folded. I did the paracord wrap on my stock so it's more comfortable. While folded it's about as useful as an AK pistol but you need to unfold the stock for any type of speed or accuracy.
I'd probably lean towards an underfolder simply because they aren't politically correct and you can always get a saiga later and convert it if you decide you want a fixed or side folding stock.
 
That is a good thing to note, DTD. Underfolders can't be converted to a different stock setup. Additionally, many side folders are similarly non-standard, with modfied receivers and no rear tang to support a standard stock. However, Polish and Romanian side folders use an adapter block that attaches to a standard AK rear trunion. This allows you to swap out stocks at will, and attach any standard-pattern AK stock.
 
WardenWolf said:
Additionally, many side folders are similarly non-standard, with modfied receivers and no rear tang to support a standard stock.
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Only the Russian design (also used by the Bulgarians) is this way.

The Poles, Romanians, East Germans and Egyptians all use side folders that bolt to a standard Kalashnikov stock tang.

You really can't consider the Ace stock block in your "many", because there aren't that many outfits that produce AKs with them (and those that do are on the high end of the custom line).
 
You can get an ATI tactical stock that both folds to the side AND is a six position adjustable for length stock. HOWEVER, I have one and don't care for the weight and bulk that it adds. The joint is quite thick. PM me if you want to buy it. I'll give you a good price.
 
I do not like underfolder stocks. I find the cheek weld uncomfortable and they wobble too much for my liking. If it is a total fun gun and you like the look that is another set of considerations I suppose.

I wouldn't buy any of the guns linked to. Its nuts and totally unnecessary to pay $800 for an AK.

If one is just after the AK look, it can be had much cheaper. If is after performance and seeks a weapon that fits how they will use it then I still think it is hard to beat a saiga you convert and outfit yourself.
 
Girodin said:
I wouldn't buy any of the guns linked to. Its nuts and totally unnecessary to pay $800 for an AK.
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I know its pricey but I would be completely incompetent at trying to covert it myself and would probably ruin the gun. The guy in the review says that its on par if not better then Arsenal that go for about the same amount. It would be a fun gun but i also want the accuracy and quality finish that this provides.

· High polished nickel plated carrier
· Military style wooden case
· Top quality KG GunKote
· Excellent fit and finish
· Bore sighted to 35 Yd’s
· Test fired thouroughly 60 times as required by our non-destructive testing program
· Transferable limited lifetime warranty
· Proprietary tooling that ensures quality and in spec products
· Tapco G2 double hook fire control
 
Ryder0001 said:
I know its pricey but I would be completely incompetent at trying to covert it myself and would probably ruin the gun
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You know, there are hundreds (if not thousands) of people out there who said the exact same thing and now are running their very own self-converted Saiga.

It is as simple as changing the oil in your car, or preparing a meal.

The "Transferable limited lifetime warranty" is just marketing bull-cookies. If you have an AK that runs, it'll run forever.

You can convert your own Saiga, and send it out for Fancy-cote™ and still be far under the price quoted.
 
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