Akins Accelerator,10/22 Bump Fire stock for 10/22

[Don't Tread On Me]

No, all the law boils down to is that a firearm MUST fire only 1 shot per trigger pull - not 2. This device does not make a person or a firearm fire more than 1 bullet per trigger pull.


It just makes it easier for you to pull the trigger faster. Which is legal.


Jerry Miculek can pull the trigger on his custom S&W pretty darn fast (7 shots in less than a second?)...does that mean his trigger finger is NFA?


There is nothing illegal about this unless the BATFE thugs decide to get more and more creative with their interpretations. I will agree though, that this device certainly pushes the limit of the law. Depending on your perspective, it either stretches the meaning of the law to the max, or it abides by it perfectly, thus giving us an example of what this law, as written can truly amount to.


Just because the government-thugs didn't think of this first doesn't mean it's the inventors fault. It's their fault. They wrote the law, and as its written, this is good to go.

 

[cslinger]

As for the pricing, why the hell not. If he doesn't sell at 1K then the price will lower. The draw/marketing of it is that 1k is ALOT cheaper then the 12K a Norrel 10/22 will set you back.

The guy put together a pretty ingenious, controllable, accurate, system that gives the shooter about 90% of the full auto experience. I believe he is also trying to build capital in order to build this for other guns.

 

[Don't Tread On Me]

OBTW, as for the whole shoe-string being a machine gun thing...the shoe string can be viewed as an illegal modification, because for that string trick to work, you must HOLD THE STRING DOWN. You're not pulling it over and over. You're not pulling the trigger over and over. The trigger becomes the loop of the string and you hold that down. While recoil is firing the weapon - you're just holding something down.


With this device, recoil is obviously what is making the rifle shoot that fast, but it is your finger that is physically pulling on the trigger each time.


The only interpretation that the BATFE could come up with is that you're not pulling the trigger, rather, the firearm is bumping into your finger instead, and that is a result of this device...as such an automation. That would be BEYOND the law in my opinion, but my opinion doesn't count. Only the filthy gavel-wielding thugs in robes get to make that decision.


This is about as borderline as you can imagine. If they came out with that interpretation...or any anti-bump-fire interpretation, then they'd be banning an act or method of shooting. It would no longer be the firearm itself and its parts of configuration , but not the door to banning technique would be in play.


Unless of course bump firing via thumb the old fashion way is OK, while bump firing via recoil reducing spring loaded systems is BAD. LOL.


I love it. I love the confusion and this sort of stuff. It is exactly what the government and BATFE deserve for their tyrannical legislation and policies. It is ultimately a victory for freedom, because it's just another reminder that no matter how hard they try, someone will always find another way.

 

[harvester of sorrow]

I will consider getting one when they figure out the proper price/volume formula.

Well, the beauty of a capitalist system is that they're only wrong if ALL the consumers feel that way.

 

[Domino]

They will sale a few at $1,000 no doubt, I would buy one if I had the disposable income at the time but I don't. I would pay that much for it for two reasons, 1.) it supports some pretty standup guys with a good idea 2.) because nobody else makes one. Even so, I think pricing them in the $500-600 range would make them sale like hot cakes.

 

[steelhead]

Well, the beauty of a capitalist system is that they're only wrong if ALL the consumers feel that way.

"ALL" is a mighty big word but more power to them if they can sell them for $1K. Perhaps, with such a markup, they will only have to move a couple units to cover their startup costs and R&D.

Here are the detractors to why I think they will not move a lot of them at that price.

1. From what I have read here, and on other boards, this is viewed as a really cool "gadget" but not a must have.

2. Using the iron sights is a little difficult when they are rapidly moving back and forth (granted some won't care because they will be smiling too much while watching the dirt/water fly). The usefullness of red dots, or other optics, will also be diminished/negated because of the movement of the receiver.

3. How well the optics will stand up (wear and tear) to that sort of movement is another unknown.

4. Full auto does get boring after awhile (loading mags is a pain, cost of ammo, burning barrels, etc.).

5. Those who really want it - can't afford it. Those that can afford it - probably aren't really that interested.

I would rather invest 1K in suppressing a 10/22 than purchasing a gadget of limited practical use. Drop the price and I will jump on the bandwagon.

At least no one, so far, has talked about what a great HD gun this will be .

Great idea !
Lots of cool/fun factor !
Price .
Market will decide (I'll wait for the employee pricing and 0% loan offer) .

 

[jeepmor]

Sorry, I had to say it

At least no one, so far, has talked about what a great HD gun this will be

This would be great for home defense purposes... Sorry, couldn't resist.

I'm in the autos get boring fast camp. I go through plenty of semi auto rounds already, I don't think I want to step it up that much. The bump fire jig is pretty cool, but $1K for a stock that does it, not going to get rich that way, now if they were $200 bucks, I might consider one, but then again,
22LR is cheap.

jeepmor

 

[Don't Tread On Me]

It crossed my mind. But I'm not so certain that getting hosed by 10-15 .22LR's will have the same deep, devistating shock effect of a .30-06 or a 12ga slug hitting you.

One is like spraying spikes into someone, the other MOVES MEAT if you know what I mean. We're talking displacement here.


Not saying it wouldn't be ineffective, I'm just wondering what a drug-crazed 245lb rampaging male could take before going down. I've seen video of people getting shot multiple times with a .22LR...most walked away hurt.

 

[steelhead]

This would be great for home defense purposes... Sorry, couldn't resist.

Even if it successfully stopped someone, you would be crucified in the press. Not to mention the civil suit that you would lose.

Headline #1:

"last night a burglar was shot and killed by a homeowner using a shotgun."


Headline #2:

"last night a burglar was riddled with over 30 bullets by gun crazed homeowner using a machine gun"

 

[ceetee]

I can't get past this mental picture I have of an entire wall covered in clay pigeons slowly coming apart...

 

[harvester of sorrow]

One of the most common themes in the gun community at large and the NFA community specifically is an inventor/designer coming up with a great idea and then being swamped within the first year or two by so many orders that his or her business goes under because he or she can't deliver, which invariably leads to lots of hard feelings and a blackened reputation at best. I don't know about Mr. Akins, but a lot of people selling products in the gun community are hobbiests first and manufacturers second. Many of them even have "day jobs" that they depend on for their livelihood. It is possible that this pricing is simply intended to keep demand at a level they can supply. It is even possible that they don't WANT to have to make more stocks than they already are.

Although I see many people complaining online, I also see a lot who are ordering, too. I'm glad that innovators in the firearms industry are still willing to face this kind of condemnation to bring new products to us.

 

[the naked prophet]

I guess I don't understand the string thing. I thought the string was attached to the cocking handle (like say on an AK) and looped around the reciever and attached to your trigger finger, so that when you fired, the tension of the string pulling your finger forward would pull your finger off the trigger so you could just apply pressure with your finger and you would pull the trigger as soon as the gun was back in battery?

It appears from the discussion that the string was tied to the cocking handle and the trigger, and you pulled once on the string to cycle the trigger so in effect the string was the new trigger?

 

[50 Freak]

Should we be worried their telephone number doesn't work?

 

[Mac Attack]

If I had the money I would definately purchase a stock. Since my finances do not allow me to spend money on frivolous gadgets regardless of how cool they are I unfortunately will never own one at the opening price.

It's still cool as heck though.

 

[R.W.Dale]

That stock reminds me of those kits you could buy back in the 80's that made your Pontiac Feiro look like a Lamborghini.

Why does it seem like this kind of product is always geared twards 10-22 guys

 

[The Drew]

Don't worry everyone... it won't be too long before the BATFE classifies these stocks as machineguns, then nobody will have to worry whether they can afford one or not.

 

['Card]

You guys could save yourself a lot of typing if you'd download the manual (available on the site in .pdf format) and read through it. The Firearms Technology Branch of the BATFE has already looked at this thing and approved it. It's pretty interesting reading.

 

[Dionysusigma]

Even if it successfully stopped someone, you would be crucified in the press. Not to mention the civil suit that you would lose.

Headline #1:

"last night a burglar was shot and killed by a homeowner using a shotgun."


Headline #2:

"last night a burglar was riddled with over 30 bullets by gun crazed homeowner using a machine gun"

Sad state of affairs when I have to agree with such a point... the lawsuit would be insane, and do no good.

But you've gotta admit--after reading each headline, which house would you definately never try to rob?

 

[Justin]

The guy has already had the product approved by the BATFE.

I hope he sells a million of these things and makes a fortune.

I don't understand why there seems to be so much nay-saying in the gun culture, especially about new products.

I saw the exact same thing when the Rohrbaugh was first announced. "Too small" "Too expensive" "Too much recoil in that small of a gun" etc.

But after that pistol was a success, a lot of the nay-saying went away.

I hope the same thing happens with Akin's device. I hope that his product proves to be high-quality and fun. I hope he finds a market, and I hope he realizes the American dream of making a buck by selling a safe and legal product.

 

[Zundfolge]

I don't understand why there seems to be so much nay-saying in the gun culture, especially about new products.

The ATF has us pretty well cowering in a corner don't they ... many in the gun culture eschew anything new (especially something like this) because the ATF has a habit of stomping kittens, shooting women with babies and burning down peoples' homes (with them in it) if there is any missing paperwork surrounding a gun related product.

Toss in the "curmudgeon" factor and there you have it.

 

[benEzra]

I don't understand why there seems to be so much nay-saying in the gun culture, especially about new products.

I think in this case, the fear is more along the lines of that which attended Olympic Arms' creation of an AR pistol in 7.62x39mm, which the BATFE used as an excuse to ban steel-core 7.62x39mm.

 

[MisterPX]

If he charged $500, people would complain that they'd only pay $200. If they charged $200, people would complain that they'd only pay $50.

Anyhow, it's legal, and it simulates FA fire reliably. His design, his patent, he can sell them for whatever he wants, and they've been selling.

 

[grislyatoms]

Thanks for the link, that looks like fun.

$1000? I'll pass.

 

[Vaportrail]

Make one

Seems like something similar to this could be made at home out of an existing stock if a fellow was handy with tools and had a little imagination. Of course you couldn't sell them without violating the patent laws. I'd like to examine one of these. I bet you could make your own with a little trial and error.

 

[Bigfoot]

"Full auto is for people who can't aim."

I went to thier forum to read up a little. Apparently the trigger finger rests on a couple of stops to enable bumpfiring. If the trigger is pulled with the finger positioned below those stops it fires semi-auto only. Nice.

With the gun sliding on rails within the stock I'm wondering how accurate it is in semi-auto mode.

For sighting while bumpfiring, daytime visable lasers (green) are cheap enough now.