American Legion Bans Guns!

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The American Legion post 71 in Duluth MN banned guns.

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Is it just me or is this about as Hypocritical as it can get??

A Veterans Organization that does not support the 2nd Amendment? I find that appalling.

Before you guys go off on the serving "Alcohol" deal, it is legal in MN to carry both open or concealed in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol and there is no State statute that requires the Legion or any other bar to "Ban" firearms.
 
maybe they had a vote and the members voted for it. it is a private club and like any private organization, they are entitled to set their own rules.
 
Private club with members that support it financially. My guess would be that a little talking could get this changed.
 
steve4102 said:
The American Legion post 71 in Duluth MN banned guns.

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Is it just me or is this about as Hypocritical as it can get??

A Veterans Organization that does not support the 2nd Amendment? I find that appalling.

Before you guys go off on the serving "Alcohol" deal, it is legal in MN to carry both open or concealed in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol and there is no State statute that requires the Legion or any other bar to "Ban" firearms.
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Many have Bars too.
 
Yep - most of these "social"organizations - whether AMVETS, VFW, Elks, Moose, etc., are nothing more than a private bar, so depending on state law, they might not have a choice.

BTW, banning guns in their establishment does not mean they are anti 2A
 
steve4102 said:
Is it just me or is this about as Hypocritical as it can get??
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Responsible guns owners generally agree that guns and alcohol are a poor mix. So from another angle, the cry of hypocrisy might be directed toward gun owners that want it both ways.
 
Why don't you simply ask them why the posting?
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This sign was brought to my attention by the host of our Local Morning Talk Radio show. He is a Veteran and organizes fund raiser and the like for Veterans and the less fortunate.

Last week he was organizing another fund raiser Spaghetti feed at the Legion when he bumped into this sign for the first time. The following Monday the topic was brought up on his talk show by a concerned caller. He voiced his concerns as well and ask if any "Board" members would like to call in and comment on the reasons for the sign.

It didn't take long for a Board member to call in and explain the reason for the sign. According to this board member the Legion is "Required" by Law to post the sign as it is Illegal in MN to carry a firearm in a business that serves Alcohol.

This is of course not true as it is legal to carry in bars and restaurants with a permit in the State of MN.

When confronted with the truth, he back tracked and claimed it was an Insurance requirement. Also Not True!
 
signs signs everywhere signs...I hate that song, but that door is sure full of signs telling you what can't be done.

I wouldn't darken their door, and we would probably both be happier because of it
 
btg3 said:
Responsible guns owners generally agree that guns and alcohol are a poor mix. So from another angle, the cry of hypocrisy might be directed toward gun owners that want it both ways.
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That's BS. In TN, the law was changed in 2009/2010to allow HCP holders to carry into any establishment that serves alcohol as long as the person carrying doesn't drink.
There were lots of opinions like yours, and they were all wrong. There hasn't been any incidents on the news about any problems, and you know the media would have been all over it.
 
steve4102 said:
The American Legion post 71 in Duluth MN banned guns.

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Is it just me or is this about as Hypocritical as it can get??

A Veterans Organization that does not support the 2nd Amendment? I find that appalling.
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The Friends of the NRA had their banquet here at n American Legion post that was properly posted at every entrance. That's even worse.
 
you can smoke at the legion around here but it is a bar and i believe in maine you arnt supposed to carry in any establishment that sells booze, could be wrong as it is a "Private club" and you cant smoke in any of the other bars.
 
HexHead said:
...as long as the person carrying doesn't drink.
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Agreed. Carrying and drinking don't mix.

HexHead said:
There were lots of opinions like yours, and they were all wrong.
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Well, I stand corrected??? Actually, I'm in favor of carrying where alcohol is served. Hope to see that enacted in my state when the legislators are back in session next year. It's slated to get prompt attention. My "opinion" is that there is more than one way of looking at the sign in the OP, and that we'd do well to recognize that possibility.

HexHead said:
There hasn't been any incidents on the news about any problems, and you know the media would have been all over it.
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Here ya go... just last month:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/...-drunk-warrant-says-b9956348z1-215833211.html
And there quite a bit of drunk shooter video on youtube also, but mostly nobody gets hurt, so perhaps you'd argue that it's just in good fun and no worries. :uhoh:
 
btg3 said:
Responsible guns owners generally agree that guns and alcohol are a poor mix. So from another angle, the cry of hypocrisy might be directed toward gun owners that want it both ways.
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So, you are willing to die helplessly in a tavern because you feel guns are inappropriate to the environment, interesting logic.
 
btg3 said:
Responsible guns owners generally agree that guns and alcohol are a poor mix. So from another angle, the cry of hypocrisy might be directed toward gun owners that want it both ways.
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I don't see the two as mutually exclusive. I see drunkeness and guns a bad mix, but one beer and a gun hurts no one. I think the Annie Hatchets need to relax.
 
While I think its more than a little hypocritical, it is a private club and it is their rules, don't like it go elsewhere.

Same situation as if you do not like the rules at a private range.
 
Prince Yamato said:
I don't see the two as mutually exclusive. I see drunkeness and guns a bad mix, but one beer and a gun hurts no one. I think the Annie Hatchets need to relax.
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To say nothing of the Carry Nations ... hmm that name takes on new significance in the context of this discussion.

Anyway, your practical, rational attitude regarding alcohol consumption has NO PLACE in our zero-tolerance, zero-thought, PC world. Get with the program!
 
HexHead-

apparently you missed these incidents.

3 people in a shotout in a TN bar:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/26/police-1-killed-20-injured-in-shooting-at-tennessee-nightclub/

State legislator who sponsored the bill pulled over drunk carrying a gun:
http://www.nashvillescene.com/pitw/...r-rep-curry-todd-caught-drunk-with-loaded-gun

And that was what I found with a two minute google.

Also, given that Memphis has some of the highest murder, assault, and violent crime rates in the country, I doubt every incident makes the news.
 
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Pizzapinochle said:
HexHead-

apparently you missed these incidents.

3 people in a shotout in a TN bar:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/26...see-nightclub/

State legislator who sponsored the bill pulled over drunk carrying a gun:
http://www.nashvillescene.com/pitw/a...ith-loaded-gun

And that was what I found with a two minute google.

Also, given that Memphis has some of the highest murder, assault, and violent crime rates in the country, I doubt every incident makes the news.
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The first article doesn't give anywhere near enough information to be helpful as an argument. Just that there was a shooting at a nightclub. It doesn't say if the shooter(s) even had a valid CHL.

The second one is about a politician making a stupid decision thinking that the law doesn't apply to him. Big surprise there. But hardly blood in the streets.

Is Memphis's high crime rate attributed to CHL holders being involved in shootings after going to a bar or nightclub and drinking?

In this case, it's a shame that the American Legion isn't being transparent with the reason for their posting.
 
btg3 said:
Responsible guns owners generally agree that guns and alcohol are a poor mix. So from another angle, the cry of hypocrisy might be directed toward gun owners that want it both ways.
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Yeah, I know that liquor and gun's don't mix, but to tell members they cannot carry on with a sign just open's them up to be robbed or the patron's to be assaulted/mugged in the parking lot. This Legion is also located in one of the worst neighborhoods in town. I personally would not be in that parking lot alone and unarmed at night. YMMV
 
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