Ammo age-limit rant

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In response to post #9.It is not illegal, for a person under 21 to fire a hand gun. The fact he got ammo that could be used in a hand gun and posted it here SO WHAT! He did nothing wrong,yes the seller could have a problem not him.
This whole thing about a person under 21 not being able to buy a hand gun is absurd.
When I turned 18 (living in NJ) I went down to my local PD and applied for a firearms ID card and a pistol permit, about 8 months later I received both.
Three or four days later I went down to a large gun store and purchased a new Colt Combat Commander. When I got home My father said that I needed to call the gun store right away. When I called them they begged me to please bring the gun back, they said that they were not allowed to sell to someone under 21. (I was not aware of this law)
I returned the gun and then had to apply for a new pistol permit.
After getting a new permit I had a friend of mine purchase the pistol and then I purchased it from him.(Straw sale? I don't think so we both had pistol permits)NJ law allowed a person under 21 to purchase a hand gun from a non FFL person.
A few years later when I was 22 I joined the PD in my town, about a year later they hired a new officer who was 20 yrs. old. Now get this he could carry a gun on duty,a gun off duty but he could not buy a pistol from a FFL or buy pistol ammo.
Does that make any sense?
 
My opinion, just politely tell them its for a rifle and let it go...............life is too short to get wound up over people who have no authority to make change.....
 
Warp,
Just what is the definition of a straw sale? Two facts, this sale was 42 years ago. The original purchaser is dead. Do I care?
 
My son is 20 and we were at a local Dicks sporting goods and he was buying some ammo for his new Bday present, a 17HMR I had bought him. The 22 year old kid behind the counter refused to sell him the ammo, saying it was illegal for him to buy in a real cocky fashion because my son wasn't 21. So instead of buying it myself, I ask for the manager and proceeded to ream his a$$ and insisted the kid apologize to my son and sell him the ammo.:fire: It wouldn't have such a big deal, except the kid wouldn't even sell my son a scope after my son told him he would get the ammo somewhere else. Old dad here got that kids job right then and there because I knew the manager quite well and the kid wanted to argue with the manager in front of 10 customers about how he was right and everyone else was wrong. It wasn't the first complaint about that kid, but it will be the last in that store. Look on the bright side, when you get my age and they card you for ammo or beer or whatever, you can feel flattered.:)
 
If those retailers are FFL holders, it isn't their choice, they are required by federal law to refuse to sell handgun ammunion to those between 18 and 21.
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That is correct.

If the ammunition is of a type that is only used in handguns then if the retailer holds an FFL, federal law prevents them from selling it to anyone under 21.

If the ammunition is of a type that is used in both handguns and long guns then the retailer must be "satisfied" that a customer under 21 is going to use it only in long guns. This is usually accomplished by asking the customer if they plan to use it in a handgun or in a long gun. If they answer "handgun", the sale will be denied. If they answer "long gun" then the sale may legally proceed.

It is not illegal for the customer to purchase or possess handgun ammunition (at least not under federal law) but it must be purchased from someone other than a dealer. It's basically the same deal as buying a pistol under 21. An FFL holder can't sell a handgun to someone under 21 but it's not illegal under federal law for someone under 21 to purchase a handgun from a non-FFL holder or to possess it.
 
What kills me is the ammo in question in these situations is almost always .22 long RIFLE. Absurd. :rolleyes:
 
It's the little Caeser syndrome. Someone with no life, has a little power, they use it to the max. Makes them feel good.
The local Go Mart cards every one, no exceptions store policy.I always have my ID, I don't want the clerk to lose their job they most likely need it.
 
What kills me is the ammo in question in these situations is almost always .22 long RIFLE. Absurd.
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The name has nothing to do with it. The only issue is whether or not there are handguns chambered for the round. Since there are innumerable .22LR handguns, an FFL selling ammunition MUST, by law, satisfy himself/herself that an under 21 customer is purchasing the ammo for use in a long gun.
It's the little Caeser syndrome. ... , no exceptions store policy.
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This is not something that the stores do by choice, nor is it a "store policy". Any retailer that sells firearms has an FFL and therefore MUST comply with federal law regarding ammunition sales.
 
carl696 said:
When I called them they begged me to please bring the gun back, they said that they were not allowed to sell to someone under 21. (I was not aware of this law)
I returned the gun and then had to apply for a new pistol permit.
After getting a new permit I had a friend of mine purchase the pistol and then I purchased it from him.(Straw sale? I don't think so we both had pistol permits)NJ law allowed a person under 21 to purchase a hand gun from a non FFL person.
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carl696 said:
Just what is the definition of a straw sale?
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ATF FAQ:

http://www.dontlie.org/faq.cfm

What is a straw purchase?

A straw purchase is an illegal firearm purchase where the actual buyer of the gun, being unable to pass the required federal background check or desiring to not have his or her name associated with the transaction, uses a proxy buyer who can pass the required background check to purchase the firearm for him/her. It is highly illegal and punishable by a $250,000 fine and 10 years in prison.
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What you did was the classic example of a straw purchase. You got away with it, no big deal. Probably not too smart to talk about it in a public forum, or do it again!
 
After getting a new permit I had a friend of mine purchase the pistol and then I purchased it from him.
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Both you and your friend committed federal felonies.

It really pays to know the laws if you have chosen shooting as a hobby.
 
Carl696 said:
...Just what is the definition of a straw sale? Two facts, this sale was 42 years ago. The original purchaser is dead. Do I care?
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Understand this clearly -- since your story is now ancient history it is irrelevant. The law is what it is today. What you did 42 years ago would today be an illegal straw purchase. Someone who were unwise enough to model his behavior today on what you did 42 years ago would be courting a long term of confinement in federal prison and a lifetime loss of gun rights.

See this thread for an in depth discussion of what an illegal straw purchase is, as confirmed by the United States Supreme Court in Abramski v. U. S. (134 S.Ct. 2259 (2014)).

We don't care whether you care. But we care that others could be severally misled to their detriment were they to pay attention to your specious comments.
 
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