Ammo Hoarders...Some Don't Play Fair or well with Others

[Ridgerunner665]

You're all doing it wrong....

Instead of waiting for a panic to buy ammo, then whining because none can be found....buy it when there is no panic, and buy lots of it.

I don't use much factory ammo...but I bought enough reloading components back in August of 2008 to keep me going...also stocked up on M193...except for powder, I still have enough left to last a couple of years...was it expensive to buy all that? Not near as expensive as it would be to buy it today...

Its crazy to wait for these panics to happen then buy...

I have not even looked at the ammo section in 5 years...so don't blame your shortage on me.

 

[Warp]

The best fix for this is for Walmart to raise their prices to market level.

Some people will complain no matter what. Box limits? Complain because they want more. No limits? Complain because the first people there take it all. Raise the price? Complain about the price. No shortage because there isn't enough demand? Complain because the gun grabbing laws passed because there weren't enough gun owners to shoot them down.

I went to Walmart Saturday afternoon with my wife. We stopped by the ammo counter, and each bought 3 boxes. I left with forty-five 12 gauge shells. I did not complain and am not complaining about it.

They even had a few 50 round boxes of Federal 9mm for about $14.xx that I left on the shelf.

 

[ATLDave]

Ridge', that's the take-the-world-as-it-is answer. You have to do certain things that are inefficient because there are jerks out in the world. You have to lock your doors because some people are jerks and will come in and steal stuff. Someone who needed a house in 2005 or 2007 had to overpay because of the flippers and other market manipulators. You have to sink money into ammo that might be more productively invested because you don't want to get caught short. Recognizing those things is smart. But that doesn't mean that you can't complain about the individuals responsible.

 

[breakingcontact]

Joke's on them. I have a job to go to and a life to live.

 

[jcwit]

You're all doing it wrong....

Instead of waiting for a panic to buy ammo, then whining because none can be found....buy it when there is no panic, and buy lots of it.

I don't use much factory ammo...but I bought enough reloading components back in August of 2008 to keep me going...also stocked up on M193...except for powder, I still have enough left to last a couple of years...was it expensive to buy all that? Not near as expensive as it would be to buy it today...

Its crazy to wait for these panics to happen then buy...

I have not even looked at the ammo section in 5 years...so don't blame your shortage on me.

Just maybe some of these "so called whiners" just turned 21, bought their 1st real honest to goodness rifle/pistol and have no choice than to buy now. Not all were even able to stockpile as you and I have.

Furthermore, just because someone has a complaint and exercises their right to complain does not make them a whiner. Look up the term "whiner".

 

[Ridgerunner665]

True....I never thought about them.

But that's not the case for many of the whiners.

 

[blarby]

Please don't bother mentioning reloading as the same problems with supply exists as with facrory ammo.

*disagree*

If I regularly shot 2k rounds a (insert xxx,yyy here) i would have those supplies tied up well in advance of need- poor planning does not equal a failing system.

"I" am still able, and have been able, to get everything I need for my needs throughout the panic. If you showed up at most shops- even pre panic- to buy 2k rounds worth of any given supply, other than primers, you might be in trouble.


What this whole thing HAS done, is force people to wake up and realize walmart might not be there one day- act accordingly.

People are.

That isn't capitalism- thats historyism, and the humanconditionism.

 

[BSA1]

You call me Tex or Elroy but don't call me...

Shirley.

My primary obiligation is to my loved ones and myself.

Or to be perfectly blunt until my needs are fulfilled (whether it is ammo, food or water) I DON'T care about your needs.

The Federal Government recommends that we keep at least a two week supply of food and other essential supplies on hand. We know from events like Hurricane Katerina a more realistic time frame is three months.

So even with this knowledge I wonder how many of the complainers have or are stockpiling emergency supplies figuring it will ever happen to them?

Oh 30,000 rounds of 22's sounds like nice number. Of course that means hoarding more guns to shoot it in.

 

[Warp]

Ridge', that's the take-the-world-as-it-is answer. You have to do certain things that are inefficient because there are jerks out in the world. You have to lock your doors because some people are jerks and will come in and steal stuff. Someone who needed a house in 2005 or 2007 had to overpay because of the flippers and other market manipulators. You have to sink money into ammo that might be more productively invested because you don't want to get caught short. Recognizing those things is smart. But that doesn't mean that you can't complain about the individuals responsible.

The time to avoid being caught short was before panic set in.

Many people preached for a long time between 2010 and 2012 that "now is the time" to buy while you can.

Many people ignored this and are now all mad about it.

 

[witchhunter]

Way before this shortage, I'll guess it was 1990 or so, I walked into a place that had a table full of Winchester .22 Mag solids for 2.99 a box. I asked the guy what was up with it, he replied that they had several cases of the stuff and it wasn't selling. He said that it was probably 5 years old. I started loading up and counting boxes. A couple of guys come in while I'm doing this and they want some, they say how much are you buying? I say "all of it, if you want some get what you want". They took 10 or 15 boxes, I walked out of there almost 600 bucks lighter. I didn't feel like a hoarder, just got a good score. I always buy in bulk, I guess if you want to shoot a lot, you should too.

 

[jcwit]

The time to avoid being caught short was before panic set in.

Enlighten us as to how a new shooter could have accomplished this, or maybe he/she should not have joined the shooting sports.

Many people preached for a long time between 2010 and 2012 that "now is the time" to buy while you can.

Many people ignored this and are now all mad about it.

I'm mad as "H" about this but have had no need to purchase any ammo or components since this all came about.

My shooting has decreased, not from lack of ammo or powder or primers, but from health reasons. Therefore I seriously doubt-----------------------------Oh, what the heck.

 

[jcwit]

Way before this shortage, I'll guess it was 1990 or so, I walked into a place that had a table full of Winchester .22 Mag solids for 2.99 a box. I asked the guy what was up with it, he replied that they had several cases of the stuff and it wasn't selling. He said that it was probably 5 years old. I started loading up and counting boxes. A couple of guys come in while I'm doing this and they want some, they say how much are you buying? I say "all of it, if you want some get what you want". They took 10 or 15 boxes, I walked out of there almost 600 bucks lighter. I didn't feel like a hoarder, just got a good score. I always buy in bulk, I guess if you want to shoot a lot, you should too.

That was the way to do it. I've done the same with motor oil.

 

[Warp]

Enlighten us as to how a new shooter could have accomplished this, or maybe he/she should not have joined the shooting sports.

New shooters (who are a huge part of the shortage problem IMO) are just out of luck on bad timing, and will have to pay more for ammo, wait a bit before doing shooting in volume, and/or get good at finding deals.

That is unfortunate but it is what it is.

 

[daehawc]

It's sad to see this argument here on the high road where people are being chastised and name called for purchasing ammo.

I don't see the problem. The market sets the price. Market forces in this case are compounded by legistation and government agencies buying ammo but it's still the market.

Walmart doesn't owe me or anyone else anything. Their entire purpose is to make money and keep their shareholders happy. I wouldn't expect them to turn away a sale so someone else can have an opportunity to buy the item when there's no guarantee they will. What makes you feel entitled to a product that someone is selling? I truly do not understand the sentiment.

Supply and demand is really that simple. If you were selling a collector quality original Peacemaker would you sell if for the market price or for what your great grandfather bought it for?

How many of us buy gold, silver, ammo, food, and water for preparedness? If society were to collapse I would trade my items for what I needed in whatever method was most beneficial to me. I expect those I trade with to attempt the same. I have a family to take care of and every dollar I don't make or waste is one less that goes to my family.

If you dont like the secondary market prices, beat them to the primary market or don't buy their product. Better yet, vote out those that keep proposing legislation to curtail our rights and limit our hobies and the market prices will drop back down.

I for one am not giving my food, water, and ammo out in an emergency for nothing. I've sacrificed in order to provide and prepare for my family. Others call us "gun nuts" and preppers in a negative light but then want others to help when the facad of society crashes around them.

It is capitalism and it's by far the best system the world has seen for ensuring equity of the masses.

 

[Warp]

It's sad to see this argument here on the high road where people are being chastised and name called for purchasing ammo.

Most people are the same. It doesn't matter of they are firearms owners/shooters or not, or what the topic is.

When they don't get what they want, they get mad and find somebody to blame and be mad at.

 

[kemper]

Most people are the same. It doesn't matter of they are firearms owners/shooters or not, or what the topic is.

When they don't get what they want, they get mad and find somebody to blame and be mad at.

You can try to dumb it down and spin it anyway you want to....
BUT right is right. Continually buying ammo to profit when others
want it for recreation/hunting in reasonable amounts is just plain WRONG

 

[Torian]

Love the idea of Walmart randomly stocking the shelves. For those waiting in line every morning, must be nice to have the time. I'm at work starting at 0500 and I get out at 1700 M-F.

The shelves at my local Walmart have stayed bare ever since I moved here, except for a few calibers such as .243, .270, or 7mm Remington Mag. Cashier tells me it's always the same stooges buying it out, usually through multiple family members.

 

[kemper]

Kemper,

I had the same problem obtaining ammo. For a while there, my Walmart was putting the ammo out at 7am which was fine for me since I start work at 8am and had time to go by the store first. Then my Walmart switched their stock time to 8am. I was no longer able to line up. I asked the GM to consider a change back to 7 or 7:30am in consideration of folks to have to work at 8am and he did in fact change it back to 7:30.

As for your disdain for the hoarders, who is to say how much ammo someone else needs? If someone thinks they need a million rounds of .22 do you think you will be able to talk them out of it?

As far as your disdain for the resellers, I think it is misplaced. Without them you wouldn't have any ammo available. If the hoarders grab it all there won't be any left for you later in the day. Your only hope, since you cannot be there early in the morning, is the reseller. Without him all the ammo would end up in the hoarders or other shooters hands and there still wouldn't be anything left for you. At least if you have resellers in your area you have a good chance of getting ammo, albeit at a higher price. Believe me when I say the reseller is your friend. Because for the next few months or more, every shooter will be stocking up especially on .22cal. Unless you are an early bird there won't be anything left for you until everyone has enough to feel that they don't need anymore.

Personally, I will be probably be stocking up on .22cal to the tune of 30,000 or more rounds (that is about 55 bricks). Every shooter I talk to is planning on increasing the limits on what they "normally" keep on hand. So again, good luck since everyone and their brother is still needing/wanting .22cal for the foreseeable future.

johna, I agree with much of what you said.
Let me be clear, I have had and keep around 3,000 rounds of 22 ammo
continuously since the early 90's and have the means to stock pile
much more, but at some point it seems excessive and greedy to me
especially since in the past I or anyone could easily replenish their supply
or comfort level on rounds without having to worry about flippers and hoarders.

 

[kemper]

Love the idea of Walmart randomly stocking the shelves. For those waiting in line every morning, must be nice to have the time. I'm at work starting at 0500 and I get out at 1700 M-F.

The shelves at my local Walmart have stayed bare ever since I moved here, except for a few calibers such as .243, .270, or 7mm Remington Mag. Cashier tells me it's always the same stooges buying it out, usually through multiple family members.

Exactly Torian, and that is exactly what pisses me off.
Booger Eating Morons ruining it for everyone due to their gluttony and greed

 

[MattShlock]

It's still a free country. Isn't it? I didn't actually read today's headlines. Anyway...

...not everyone has the same ambition, patience, motivation, drive, tenacity, priorities, respect, money, insight, intelligence, knowledge, skills and/or attitude.

Some had ammo.

Some got ammo.

Some get ammo.

Some want ammo.

Who is it that's complaining here? The people who have the same legal and arguably rational if not reasonable ability to do exactly what's being done "to" them.

 

[daehawc]

Ok, so hunting and recreation in "reasonable amounts" is the key right?. So is my recreation of a 1,000 rds a week like I used to shoot reasonable or only 50rds a month for target shooting? Who decides?

What do you think Walmart is selling the ammo for if not for profit? These arguments are sounding more and more like socialism. Others have a need that must be met.

The hunter isnt as affected by a 50% price increase as the person stockpiling and shooting large amounts. Most hunters (my self included with my hunting guns) tend to zero, practice a little and shoot few rounds when hunting. My sport guns see much more use throughout the year.

There is no right being infringed by the resalers for this to qualify as a Moral argument, i.e. right and wrong. Its strictly a convenience and cost issue.

Just my opinion. But hey, I'm just a guy trying to feed his family and improve my lot in life.

BTW, I don't personally go and wait in line at walmart for ammo. I did recently sell a case of .380 auto that I no longer had a firearm to shoot it with. I made $50 more than I bought the case for. I guess I'm just a greedy, evil, low life though. Nice thing was I was able to buy a few more items for my new child's room. But I guess I should have given that ammo away since I no longer "needed" it.

 

[Robert]

This one is heading in a non THR direction so let's call it done.