Ammo report 7.62x25

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I took a CZ 52 to the range today with 3 types of ammo.

Thought I would review them so folks don't go out and waste money.

Winchester white box $9.50 per 50rnd box

85 grain FMJ From a rest 4 inch groups at 15 yards reliability was fine.

I found there were obvious differences in the amount of powder in each round, all functioned but some rounds had more recoil and flash.

Consistancy was not good and it caused wild flyers on each group.


Sellier and Bellot $9.95 per 50rnd box

85 Grain FMJ

Reliability and functioning were fine

The consistancy of this ammo beat winchester by a long shot
15 yard groups were under 2 inches and 25 yard groups were
2 1/2 to 3inches with no obvious flyers although three or four rounds
were touching per 5 shot group

Polish surplus in pink or brown wrapped paper ties with twine
cyrillic markings 7.62m.m. 60 ONNM
This surplus ammo is in circulation in failrly large quantities.
The guy charged $10 for 50

The ammo was corrosive.
Reliability was fine
groups at 15 yards were about 9 inches from a rest
Each fired case was split open 75% of the case length and showed massive deterioration.

Do not buy this stuff.


The S&B turned out to be the best in accuracy but it flung brass about 50 feet away compared to the winchester which dropped it just behind me.

It also seemed the S&B was loaded a little hotter.

Hope this helps
 
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Crikey!

So, just out of curiosity, how many magazines of that Polish stuff did you use after you noticed it was splitting the case? :uhoh:

Did you finish all 50 rounds, or chicken out like I would have done?

I am thinking of getting some of the S&B stuff for my wife's Firestorm .380, but it seems to handle HyrdaShoks okay...maybe something cheaper for practice.
 
WARNING , there is some Kaboom surplus ammo out there and I think it is marked 52 or 53 on the brass.

You can find pic's and results of this ammo on the mak sight and other sites if you do a search. I had some of this stuff and it splits the brass.

There is some good accurate and cheap carrosive ammo out there and all you have to do is clean the barrel with Butches bore shine, Tetra, or something with a PH nutral ammonia. (Sweets isn't PH nutral and is quite strong for every day use). 1 part ammonia to 3-4 parts water with also work. Bren
 
IIRC, the Winchester 7.62x25 is actually made by S&B.
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It really looks that way even though there is a winchester headstamp
and no red paint on the whitebox everything else looks exactly the same.

It was disturbing to have wild fluctuations between each round on the winchester.

I've got 50 rounds marked 53. Maybe those need to go in the trash.
 
Winchester white box $9.50 per 50rnd box
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Just curious, where did you find this stuff?

It also seemed the S&B was loaded a little hotter.
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According to this page, the S&B is hot. 1525fps at 439ft-lbs. :D
http://members.nuvox.net/~on.melchar/tokarev/tokssbxr.html

WARNING , there is some Kaboom surplus ammo out there and I think it is marked 52 or 53 on the brass.
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Yes, bad Bulgarian! Click this link to see what it did to the CZ-52! :what:
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/4653/bad.htm
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The White box was purchased at my local gun show.

I hear from the guys there that it is going to be carried as a common stock item for most ammo dealers.

According to this page, the S&B is hot. 1525fps at 439ft-lbs.
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This makes sense because the muzzle blast on the S&B was knocking the binoculars off my face 4 feet away.

I lost a bunch of S&B brass because it went flying about 12 stations to my right and bonked people on the head. They had no clue it came from
over 50 feet away. :what:

The winchester brass just landed behind me and to the right about 3 feet
and was easy to find.
 
Weird, people have told me the Winchester boxed 7.62X25 was hotter than the S&B. I wish somebody would load this caliber it to 500 ft/lbs :D
 
We have some Czech ammo thats surplus stuff, it chorno's at around 1700 FPS....it figures out to around 570 FPE. This would be some very benefitial ammo if you had, say, 4-5 BG's lined up chasing you and you only had 1 bullet left! :D :what: :neener:
Shoot well
 
Here's some chrono data I took from a Tokarev last year:
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7.62x25 Norinco Non-Corr Yellow Box, Bimet case: 1452, sd 10.0
7.62x25 S&B 85gr Green Box: 1452, sd 9.59
7.62x25 S&B 85gr Pink Box: 1447, sd 6.48
7.62x25 Chinese Surlpus, Bimet, Military: 1486, sd 6.08
 
Has anybody done any penetration tests on this round?

I've heard a lot of folks brag about it's supposed armour defeating capabilities, but never seen any data on this.
 
I've fired some of the hot Bulgarian stuff from a Tokarev with no issues, but once I saw what it did to that CZ52, I deactivated the few boxes I had. The Chinese stuff has worked well for me, but I treat it as corrosive because I think it was made for their PPSH copies.
 
The newest S&B is supposed to clock about 1650fps. Check their website.
http://www.sb-usa.com/pistol_ammo_page.htm

Or if you prefer to work in joules and meters per second...
http://www.sellier-bellot.cz/pistol.htm

The older S&B isn't so hot. It's more like low 1500fps velocities.

As to the penetration, someone did some testing in one of the gun rags awhile back and ruined a level II (maybe II+ I can't recall) vest with one--it went through the front, messed up the watermelon that was "wearing" the vest and then went out the back. I think you have to get to level III before you can feel good about the Toks and the CZ-52s.

I don't know about the caliber making a comeback though. If it was going to get popular, I think it would have done it back when you could buy a 2100 round case of the Chinese 7.62 Tok for $165. SHIPPED! I still have about half a case left, then I'm going to have to start buying S&B.
 
romy 7.62 x 25 ammo

just came from the range and was firing my cz-52. noticed the the report from the pistol sounded louder for some reason. I found the eight casings and noticed tht the sides were split open .i stop using the ammo. the headstamp is 22/85. anybody else have any problems with this batch??
thanks
 
You could strip the hot ammo and weigh the charge. Reduce the loads. I have done this in the past. If nothing else, strip them and sell the componets.
 
I bought some cheap Polish 7.62X25 a few years ago. I didn't get many split cases. but it was the least accurate pistol ammo I had ever used. It didn't even hit paper at 15 yards. Just nutty. I am shhoting some old Yugoslav stuff now (70 rounds in stripper clips) that is adequate in the accuracy department.
 
WARNING , there is some Kaboom surplus ammo out there and I think it is marked 52 or 53 on the brass.
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Oh, you mean the 'submachine-gun ammo'
this one has been floating the interwebz for a long time, especially since that stuff hasn't been imported in over ten years...

BTW, I thought it was bulgy
yet the check stuff is hot, but then again so is the yugo, or it could just be crappy QC and poorly maintained guns.
 
Polish surplus in pink or brown wrapped paper ties with twine
cyrillic markings 7.62m.m. 60 ONNM
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I believe this is Bulgarian, not Polish. Its all over the web as bad ammo. The "pink paper and string" is the give away. It originally came in 800 round tins. I'd stay away form the dealer that sold it to you -- he's incompetent if not downright dishonest. Not to mention at $10/50 rounds you got took -- the Romainian and Polish is less than half that ~$115/1260 rounds.

The Polish ammo comes in 70 round card board boxes once you open the 1260 round tin. The Bulgarian in question comes in 16 round paper packages wrapped with string.


The Polish surplus in 1260 rounds tins is from the same era but it is good ammo, you get a few case neck cracks because it was "stab crimped and aproaching 60 years old but this is of no consequence since the brass is Berdan primed and not practical for reloading anyways. I've shot 6000+ rounds of this stuff with no issues and a lot fewer duds than the much newer Romainian '80s
 
actually there is some concern of flame cutting the camber
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I don't see any evidence of this -- I've shot over 6000 rounds of the stuff. Besides a C&R TTC only costs about $200 and its more than "free" already from shooting this ammo as opposed to just about anything else. I can't reload jacketed ammo for what this stuff costs even ignoring the value of my time doing the reloading.

I shot up the 800 round tin of the Bulgarian with no ill effects but it had a hot of duds and was very erratic. I think this gets "confused" with the Polish ammo by less than "diligent" dealers (especially as word about the Bulgarian quickly got out -- I read about it the day I opened my can :( ) since they both come in galvanized "spam" cans with soldered lids.
 
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