ammunitionaccountability.org

[14427H]

Heard of them? Someone who knows please give me the "follow the money" on them.

They have a nice form, just fill in your state.

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/default.asp

About Us

Ammunition Accountability is a newly forming group of ammunition coding technology supporters. ...ammunition coding technology works by laser etching the back of each bullet with an alpha-numeric serial number. Then when a potential criminal purchases a box of 9mm cartridges, the box of ammunition and the bullets’ coding numbers would be connected to the purchaser in a statewide database. When a bullet is found at a crime scene, the code on the bullet can be read with a simple magnifying glass and then be run through a statewide database to determine who purchased the ammunition and where, providing a valuable investigative lead.

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Ammunition coding technology is a new technology,.. The following community leaders have already expressed support for ammunition coding technology:

Mayor Virginia Dupuy - Waco, Texas
Police Chief Richard D. Wiles - El Paso, Texas
Mayor Dave Cieselewicz - Madison, Wisconsin
Mayor Edward Chavez - Stockton, California
Mayor Keith Holliday - Greensboro, North Carolina

They have a nice little twist for all you "I'm stocking up now" folks.

TN & IL Ammunition Accountability Act
HOUSE BILL 3245 By Miller L, SENATE BILL 3395 By Tate

Gist: No later than January 1, 2011, all non*coded ammunition for the calibers listed in this act, whether owned by private citizens or retail outlets, must be disposed of.
Quote:
...SECTION 4.

(a) All handgun and assault weapon ammunition manufactured or sold in the state after January 1, 2009, shall be coded by the manufacturer.

(b) No later than January 1, 2011, all non*coded ammunition for the calibers listed in this act, whether owned by private citizens or retail outlets, shall be disposed.

Yes, bad guys just pull bullets , remove codes, we all knowthat is after they turned in all their old ammo lol. I know but...
introduced in several states, possession of current ammunition will be a criminal offense. A point to notice and something to remember is all these bills spell out the taxes and penalties, none I see even hints that there would be compensation. And all you "it's unconstitutional, Ex post facto" " I'll be grandfathered in the next ban" folks should note this.

 

[lance22]

How much do want to bet that the following comes up?

Joyce Foundation, "Freedom States Alliance" and Mark Karlin and Associates.

Everyone knows who the NRA is because it is so villified in the media, but few are aware that every major piece of anti-gun 'research' ever produced has taken money from the Joyce Foundation.

 

[Zundfolge]

Looks like they've been hammered with Whois requests

WHOIS information for: Ammunitionaccountability.org:

[whois.publicinterestregistry.net]
WHOIS LIMIT EXCEEDED - SEE WWW.PIR.ORG/WHOIS FOR DETAILS

Verio Inc. - Growing Your Business, One Click At A Time

heh ... well if one of you guys got through, copy all the whois info and post it here.

 

[Henry Bowman]

Then when a potential criminal purchases a box of 9mm cartridges...

Riiiight.

 

[Henry Bowman]

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[El Tejon]

Why bother, I get a lot of felons buying ammo on videotape.

 

[Thernlund]

I find the technology and ideas that go into marking or serializing ammunition to be very interesting, and I enjoy reading about it.

Shame that it is what it is though. Bleh.


-T.

 

[Zundfolge]

Registrant Organization: Domains by Proxy, Inc.

Ok, I'm sick of this Domains by Proxy crap ... I'm not one for making more laws, but it should be illegal to hid your identity when registering a web site ESPECIALLY one that makes political claims and ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY a .org domain.

 

[14427H]

I think a bill

to provide forms at police stations to fill out before you commit a crime would work, tax them at levels equal to the cost of prosecution....put the money in a fund. Call your representative, turnmyselfin.org

Who owns these guys?

http://www.ammocoding.com/faqs.php


Please refrain from eating at least an hour before reading if you want to keep your lunch:

What advantage does ACS technology bring to everyday policing initiatives?
Not only will ACS ...Consider the following, a drive by shooting that does not result in injuries or deaths yet bullets and shell casings are left behind; or firearm vandalism where property may be destroyed or damaged. ACS would prove to be a very useful and effective tool in preventing future crimes by apprehending those individuals responsible before a more serious crime is committed.

What are the costs to manufacturers?
...Each ammunition producer would be required to purchase at least one, if not more, laser engraving machines and ammunition material handlers to produce ACS coded ammunition. .... A licensing fee for each bullet sold would also be required. However, since approximately 10 billion bullets are sold in the United States alone each year, equipment costs, once amortized over the number of bullets produced and sold are not

"10 billion bullets are sold in the United States alone each year" There is no way this work unless you criminalize use of existing ammunition.

Although this is different, what I want to know is how micro stamping passed in California How did they let ammunition become an issue?

 

[Samuel Adams]

Only an email address for contact. It figures that there is no physical address. :banghead:

 

[JohnBT]

They are certainly shy about who they are.

And shy is a gross understatement. Why aren't they proud enough to stand up and be counted?

John

 

[AndyC]

So casting one's own bullets would be illegal? Pfft.

 

[alsaqr]

Micro-stamping technology is right up there with FBI voo-doo lead analysis junk science. The National Academy of Sciences finally put the lie to the FBI's junk lead analysis.

There lots of folks in prison convicted on the basis of junk science. No one from the FBI is notifying these folks that the forensic "science" that convicted them is flawed.

"But a six-month investigation by 60 Minutes and The Washington Post shows that there are hundreds of defendants imprisoned around the country who were convicted with the help of a now discredited forensic tool, and that the FBI never notified them, their lawyers, or the courts, that the their cases may have been affected by faulty testimony.

The science, called bullet lead analysis, was used by the FBI for 40 years in thousands of cases, and some of the people it helped put in jail may be innocent."

 

[RoadkingLarry]

As an avid (some say rabid) bullet caster and reloader I say I ain't gonna play.

 

[14427H]

Casting?

or other forms of bullet making where you are the "manufacture", they got that covered :

SECTION: Section 5. Penalties
1. Any vendor that willfully fails to comply with, or falsifies the records required to be kept
by this bill is guilty of a public offense punishable by imprisonment not to exceed one
year, and a fine of $1,000.
2. Any manufacturer that fails to comply with the provisions of this section shall be liable for
a civil fine of not more than one $1,000 for a first violation, not more than five $5,000 for
a second violation, and not more $10,000 for a third and subsequent violation.

One year, well you can learn another hobby in the pen. No way this works if you are allowed to make your own, even one bullet. No way this works if you keep any existing bullets.

I know this all looks ridiculous but it is an existing bill in several states and is is where they are going, can't get the guns get the ammo. It has been tried before. I have to say, I missed the Californian passage of micro stamping. The cow is out of the barn.

 

[LAR-15]

At least it includes the police

 

[NeoSpud]

Ok, I'm sick of this Domains by Proxy crap ... I'm not one for making more laws, but it should be illegal to hid your identity when registering a web site ESPECIALLY one that makes political claims and ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY a .org domain.

The domain type doesn't matter at all... when you register a domain, you just select whatever one you want (that isn't taken). Having a .org doesn't actually mean anything definitive, at least not any more.

It should not be illegal to use identity protection any more than it should be illegal for someone to take his/her name out of a phone book. It doesn't matter if you're a celebrity or not; if you don't want people to contact you, you should have that right. I have domain protection on all of my websites, and though I don't think any of them are inflammatory, I don't want anyone knowing my personal information unless I disclose it.

 

[K3]

SECTION: Section 5. Penalties
1. Any vendor that willfully fails to comply with, or falsifies the records required to be kept
by this bill is guilty of a public offense punishable by imprisonment not to exceed one
year, and a fine of $1,000.
2. Any manufacturer that fails to comply with the provisions of this section shall be liable for
a civil fine of not more than one $1,000 for a first violation, not more than five $5,000 for
a second violation, and not more $10,000 for a third and subsequent violation.

I don't think that reloaders are considered manufacturers if they load for themselves. At least that's the gist I get from the ATF as it concerns making a firearm for oneself. I'd have to think the same consideration would be given to reloaders. Who knows. :banghead: Well, I'm not buying the line that this has anything to do with crime. It is backdoor registration plain and simple, though they won't come out and say it.

Also, what the hell is a 'public policy expert'? My first guess is someone who's never worked an honest day in their life.

 

[Fburgtx]

Well, at least now the drug smugglers will have something even more profitable than drugs to smuggle in to the country. What do you think a box of "black-market un-traceable ammo" will go for???? On the bright side, at least I'll now be able to buy my ammo on any street corner, rather than having to go all the way to Wal-Mart or the gun shop!!!!!!

 

[Matt304]

IF they want me to throw my ammo away at any given time, they can all shove it up their asses. And for that I'll stock even more.

 

[azredhawk44]

This can affect 49 other states...

If bullets (even for reloaders) have to be serialized, then Hornady/Rainier/Berry's/Mastercast and their like will have to serialize their entire production line to comply. Now we have back-door registration of ammo in the other 49 states as well as increased production costs.

Bad ju-ju.

 

[ServiceSoon]

Maybe it will be like home brewing alcohol; you will be allowed to cast a maximum of 100 bullets per year without penalty.

 

[jerkin]

I'd just like to see them put serial #'s on .22's. How long before those would be 12 digits.

 

[14427H]

22LR would be tagged

How many unique codes are available?
There are 91 unique characters on a standard computer keyboard. The ACS technology uses these characters in five, six, or seven columns. Typically, ammunition comes in boxes of either 50 or 20, and all bullets in a box will be coded alike. There are 12 common handgun and assault weapon calibers. This means that ACS can accommodate over 21 quadrillion unique bullet codes. Since it is estimated that there are approximately 10 billion bullets sold annually in the United States, and 20-30 billion bullets sold worldwide annually....

"There are 12 common handgun and assault weapon calibers" "assault weapon calibers", there you go.

 

[Tribal]

So what I'm hearing is that there's going to be a market in California for "mixed lots" of bullets.

Buy however many boxes of bullets, dump them into a big container, bag/box them in sets of whatever size the original was in, and sell at a slight mark-up.

Of course, they'll probably find a way to criminalize that, but maybe not.