ammunitionaccountability.org

[Sunray]

This is from a U.S. Army page.
"Between 2000 and 2004, DoD's purchases of small caliber ammunition have increased from some 350 million rounds to approximately 1.2 billion rounds per year." 1,200,000,000 etched on a .223 bullet?
I kind of like to see how these twits are going to etch numbers on the back of every bullet in a case of .22 LR ammo. And how they plan on reading a number on any spent .22 CF varmint bullet that has performed the way it was designed to and has blown into thousands of wee bits.
This nonsense is nothing but more harassment of shooters.

 

[Seancass]

Arizona

California

Hawaii

Illinois

Indiana

Maryland

Mississippi

New York

Pennsylvania

Tennessee

Washington

I cant believe my state is on that list. I cant believe people are stupid enough to actually think this would work.

 

[FieroCDSP]

As a reloader, I've found yet another way that this crap wouldn't work functionally: Use a hot load. Defense ammo, and hot loaded hunting ammo, uses pressures high enough that any stamping on the base of the bullet, and on the inside of the case, would be rendered illegible, particularly on lead or plated base bullets. Jacketed would probably retain a bit, but not reliably so.

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

Man, they're trying to dance the walls to get around the fact gun control just isn't popular right now.

 

[Shrinkmd]

Is this the antis hitting back for the Heller case? Seems like their side is coordinating an attack on ammunition which may fly under the radar and actually pass.

 

[armoredman]

E-mailed my current representative. I boiled when I saw one of the co sponsors is from the city I just moved out of.
And I must add to Shrinkmd post - DON'T LET IT FLY UNDER THE RADAR!

 

[armoredman]

Update - got an answer back from my new Rep already!

Thank you for your comments. I agree. I also know many who compete and,for that reason, need to have a large surplus of ammunition. This would also have a negative effect on those who reload as well as those who are collectors. I will oppose this bill and any like it that appear in the future. It is a privilege an an honor to represent you.

Yours truly,
Barbara McGuire

Representative Barbara McGuire
District 23

Outstanding response!

 

[K3]

Update - got an answer back from my new Rep already!

Quote:
Thank you for your comments. I agree. I also know many who compete and,for that reason, need to have a large surplus of ammunition. This would also have a negative effect on those who reload as well as those who are collectors. I will oppose this bill and any like it that appear in the future. It is a privilege an an honor to represent you.

Yours truly,
Barbara McGuire

Representative Barbara McGuire
District 23

Outstanding response!

I agree. Doesn't sound like the usual wishy-washy politician canned response.

 

[keeleon]

Thank you for your comments. I agree. I also know many who compete and,for that reason, need to have a large surplus of ammunition. This would also have a negative effect on those who reload as well as those who are collectors. I will oppose this bill and any like it that appear in the future. It is a privilege an an honor to represent you.

Yours truly,
Barbara McGuire

Representative Barbara McGuire
District 23

Wow, where do you live? that is an amzing response from a politician. I didn't know that any of them actually personally responded to anything. that's not even talking about the fact that she understands why some peopel might want to be "free" in America, noneheless.

 

[GTSteve03]

So does this also make revolvers and brass catchers illegal?

And what about buying ammo with cash? Illegal too or would you have to fill out paperwork and show ID like you have to do with the ridiculous pseudoephedrine laws?

 

[Pushrod]

Here is the reply from one of the Delegates here in Maryland. The others I emailed didn't bother to reply, so I assume they are going to support this bill. Unfortunately, I think the 'ayes' out number the 'nays'

Thank you for your recent letter pertaining to House Bill 517, entitled Regulated Firearms-Encoded Ammunition-Tax. I greatly appreciate you contacting me to express your viewpoints regarding this very important piece of legislation.



If passed, HB 517 would authorize a person to sell ammunition for a regulated firearm on or after January 1, 2009, only in accordance with the Act. In addition it would require an ammunition manufacturer to encode ammunition for a regulated firearm in a specified way. Establish and maintain an encoded ammunition database and impose a tax of 5 cents per round on the sale of encoded ammunition beginning on January 1, 2009.



As you may be aware, the Speaker of House has assigned HB 517 to the Ways and Means Committee for which I am a member. The legislation was introduced and read for the first time on January 30, 2008 and is scheduled for a hearing on February 26, 2008 at 1:00 p.m.



Despite the staunch support by Delegates Burns, Robinson, Anderson, Branch, Carter, Glenn, Harrison, Oaks, Stukes, Tarrant, and Walker for HB 517, rest assure, my position is not in accordance with my aforementioned colleagues for I am voting against this legislation.



Thank you once again for contacting me regarding House Bill 517. If you have any additional questions or concern please feel free to contact my office at 410-841-3698.



Sincerely,



J.B. Jennings

Member, House of Delegates

 

[Pushrod]

I'm thinking they are trying to get their foot in the door in one state, and once they have the beachhead, other states will fall more easily. Once enough states have this law, manufacturers will have to encode all their products (can't have two processing lines, one for coded and one for non-coded) and it will be nationwide.
For one, here in Maryland, it will make it too expensive to purchase ammo. Can you imagine a 5 cent a round tax on a brick of .22?
Reloading here would probably be illegal also with a hefty jail time if caught with reloading equipment.

 

[K3]

Reloading here would be illegal also with a hefty jail time if caught with reloading equipment.

Does it actually say that?

Edit: I read the Maryland bill. It said nothing of the kind. In fact, the law talks about manufacturers, which reloaders are not. It does say that all non-encoded ammo intended for use in the listed weapons must be disposed of by a certain date.

Edit#2:

(C) “MANUFACTURER” MEANS A PERSON THAT POSSESSES A FEDERAL
LICENSE TO ENGAGE IN THE BUSINESS OF MANUFACTURING AMMUNITION FOR
SALE OR DISTRIBUTION.

That's kinda stupid. Let's say you have a bolt action .223. Obviously, your rifle is not an 'assault rifle'. The bassturds would still nail you for having non-approved ammo because it happens to be a chambering of Evil Weaponry.

The bill sucks and should be circular filed. That said, claiming that having reloading equipment would be a crime when the bill doesn't say that is inaccurate. Best to be correct.

 

[Pushrod]

K3, your right, I was extrapolating the manufacturering as reloading. My bad. Although, I think that with this bill, getting caught with unmarked ammo will be a crime, so reloading will be a no-no. I always read the worse case out of these bills.

 

[tasco 74]

isn't everyone getting tired of this kind of bull$hit legislation?? and WHERE THE HELL IS THE N R A ??????????????????????????????????? this is exactly why so many of you pay money to that outfit!!!

 

[K3]

K3, your right, I was extrapolating the manufacturering as reloading. My bad. Although, I think that with this bill, getting caught with unmarked ammo will be a crime, so reloading will be a no-no. I always read the worse case out of these bills.

You're certainly right about the end result.

Possessing non-encoded ammo would put one in a world of hurt even if one did not own a 'regulated firearm'.

Think of this though: Reload only as much as you plan to shoot or use. The rest stays as components. Thus, it is not ammunition.

Hey, it ain't much, but it's something!

I'm counting the days until one of these asinine bills pops up in Texas. When it does, I'll have to start the lettters, emails, and phone calls.

 

[Pushrod]

And its getting worse here; a new anti-ammo bill just introduced would make it a crime to own ammo from any regulated gun in Maryland if that person doesn't have the not-disaproved regulated gun application on file with the Maryland State Police.

http://mlis.state.md.us/2008RS/bills/hb/hb1378f.pdf

Actually the bill says 'approved' regulated gun application. Since the MSP only marks the application 'disapproved' or 'not disapproved', then I would imagine that this would ban all ammo in Maryland

 

[MDHunter]

Let's GET ON IT Fellas...

And its getting worse here; a new anti-ammo bill just introduced would make it a crime to own ammo from any regulated gun in Maryland if that person doesn't have the not-disaproved regulated gun application on file with the Maryland State Police.

http://mlis.state.md.us/2008RS/bills/hb/hb1378f.pdf

Pushrod - we gotta spread the word about this one in maryland, they are trying to sneak this one by....tell all your friends, and get the letters started!

And all of you guys in the states that have ammo encoding bills up - let's get on this, it only takes one state passing this to create a really bad precedent.

 

[Brenainn]

This makes me livid. Nuff said.

 

[Grey54956]

This is a simple bullet registration and tax scheme.

The Politicos know that gun registration will not fly in this country. However, a database of ammunition purchasers is essentially the same thing, as it would provide them with your name, address, and a quick indication of what varieties of firearms you possess. This would make gun and ammunition confiscation much easier later.

We cannot allow these laws to pass.

 

[twcorindy]

A similar bill was sumbitted in the Indiana State Assembly HB 1260. The bill died very early in the session.

I propose an email campaign to the ammunition manufacturers, encouraging them to refuse to sell any ammunition in the states that pass such ligistation into law, including state and local law enforcement.

 

[armoredman]

k3, Keelon, that's an Arizona Democrat. I have had AZ legislators actually call me at home twice, (with the number I put on the e-mail), to discuss legislation I have contacted them about. Seriously.

 

[AndyC]

and WHERE THE HELL IS THE N R A ??????????????????????????????????? this is exactly why so many of you pay money to that outfit!!!

"...so many of you pay money to that outfit"? Please tell me I'm wrong when I take that sentence to mean that you don't contribute yourself.

If I'm correct in my understanding (and I sincerely hope I'm wrong), how can you complain about the apparent lack of action from an organisation which you don't or won't support?

 

[Barr]

Ammo serial numbers will not work just because of the sheer volume alone. Average shooters go through ~500 rounds a year. Most shooters here probably ~1500-2500 rounds a year. How many gun owners in America? Per Wikipedia, the low estimate is at least 43 million owners. Serial numbers would have to account for at least 1.29 billion rounds a year. Ouch, good luck imprinting those number of zeros on a small bullet. Not too mention it is just plain stupid because the rifling in a barrel deforms the bullet.

Of course, we all know that rifle bullets moving at 3000+ fps never flatten and/or deform upon impact.

 

[Pushrod]

Barr, I think they know that it is not possible to follow these laws. So in effect, they will be bans on ammunition. Heck, the tax + increased cost to try and implement this will make ammunition so expensive only the rich will be able to afford to shoot. I think the Pols know this also.