An accurate .22lr

Status
Not open for further replies.

andym79

Member
Joined
Aug 20, 2005
Messages
530
Location
Australia
Hi guys, IO am looking to buy a .22lr bolt action:

I have narrowed my choice down to
1) Savage MKII
2) Ruger 77/22
3) CZ452

Which one is more accurate?

Could anyone who has photos of 50 yard or 100 yard groups with these rifles please post pictures!

I fancy the Savage, but I do wonder if a Ruger is made better? What puts me of the CZ is there not an American company!
 
The price of ruger 77/22 is just to high Period The price on savage can go from 140 bucks wally world special to right near 500 dollars and you can get most all of them to shoot very well. Most. The cz is better over all rifle but the 452 are on the way out with the higher priced 455 replaceing it. Or so cz say's.. DON'T buy one of the cheap plastic stock savage rifles. They are junk, but work for plinking. Flip a coin between the 2 and go from there.

Go over to rimfire central and look thru the cz and savage treads and go up to the rimfire match secion here and see what guys shoot. The cz's will shoot, a can shoot 1/2" at 50 yards and then some. Savages will also but some can be a bit spottier in quality.

How about building a ruger 10/22 based custom?? Buy a old ugly beater and buy parts over time to up grade it. You can build a very accurate rifle that can more than hold its own in the timed matchs or cheap ammo matchs

To just buy and shoot. Get the CZ . Then a good high pwoer scope and good match grade like wolf/sk or federal 922 ammo.
 
What REALLY puts me off, is that azzxbackwards safety the CZ has!

Why couldn't they get that right??

Of the guns the OP asked about, get the Savage! Given any care at all, you won't ever wear it out.

DM
 
DON'T buy one of the cheap plastic stock savage rifles. They are junk, but work for plinking.

Hmmm. I haven't heard this before. Would you please tell us why? :)
 
The CZ is the hot ticket. As far as not being made in America, that does not bother me in the least. If it was made in Iran, now that would make a difference, but the Czech's are not our enemy and I don't think theres an American company that makes a better .22, or most any other gun for that matter, than CZ.
American gun companies ain't what they used to be. Sad.
 
DON'T buy one of the cheap plastic stock savage rifles. They are junk,

Yaa, right, go spend an extra $250 for a walnut stocked 22LR. There is nothing wrong with the synthic Savage stocks, period. Do something usefull like go clean your Glock.

Jim
 
Just so you know, the CZ is no less American than the Savage. Both companies have American facilities and both companies are importing those rifles. The CZ from the Czech and the Savage from Canada. If I had to look at a Country with a rich background in firearms manufacturing, the Czech would fall higher on my list than Canada.

Of the three, the Ruger would probably be my bottom pick. They seem to be hit or miss. Some shoot well, some shoot well after a bit of work, and some require a LOT of work. If they were priced where the 10-22 is priced, I'd buy a bunch and have work done to them. I like the action and magazine. But, they are too expensive for the gamble, in my opinion.

The Savage is a good buy. The base models are all fairly cheap. I have troubles spending for their more expensive lines, as the stocks are all Boyd's stocks which run about $100. I'd be inclined to buy a base model and then a new stock rather than pay a premium to have it come with the same stock from the factory. The accutrigger is decent. If you haven't felt a better trigger, it seems great. When you do get to play with better triggers, it just feels ok. Certainly more than usable. Accuracy seems to be pretty good, though with the price point they come in at, CQ can be hit or miss and some rifles more picky than others. If budget mattered, I'd go Savage as you just can't beat the price for $200-$250 for their base models.

The CZ is the rifle you buy with intentions of handing it down. That certainly isn't to say that the Savage wouldn't last multiple generations, but the feel, fit, and finish of the CZ are of the quality of something you would be proud to hand down. They tend to shoot pretty well with a wide range of ammo. The triggers on the 452 and 455 are only adjustable for a little bit of weight from the factory. Of the two I have, one had a lot of creep and the other was very very crisp. Shimming the creep out of the trigger is fairly easy and cheap, though an aftermarket adjustable sear is available from a few companies if you rather that.

All of these rifles are ones that I would say need work to come close to their potential. The Ruger could take as little as a nicer trigger or as much as a new barrel. Now that the barrels are threaded it's a little more effort to swap a barrel. If you go base model Savage get one with the accutrigger. Then you would be looking at a new stock and maybe a new spring or cut spring for the accutrigger, if you wanted a lighter pull. The CZ typically only needs a little help on the trigger. Either a shim or a new sear, depending on preference, as well as a lighter spring if less trigger weight is desired.

They seem to all benefit greatly from bedding. I have yet to see a sub-$500 rimfire rifle that had a good stock to action fit from the factory. I've bedded all of the ones I plan to shoot much for accuracy and all have become much more consistent in their shooting after bedding.

So my ranking would be to buy the Ruger if you like to gamble, are looking for a project, or have the ability to shoot the rifle ahead of time.

Buy the Savage if budget is an issue.

Buy the CZ if the top two suggestions don't apply.
 
My CZ is phenomenal. I used a Rimfire Technologies adjustable sear to clean up the trigger and I couldn't be happier. Accuracy with Wolf is unbelievable.
 
why would you even bother listing the CZ since your hesitating on one just because its not made in the good ol U.S.A? its crazy how so many things nowadays are not even made here clothing etc... sorry back on topic since you asked about accuracy, just picked up my 2nd cz not to long ago, its a Ultra-Lux w/28" barrel
25yard shots, noticed my rear sight was set for 50y..oops
002-4.jpg
best shots so far at 50y, 5 shot. this is with the stock trigger
019-5.jpg
020.jpg
 
If you want the most accurate of your selections, the CZ is the easy choice. It doesn't shoot much worst than my Anschutz 1712. If you don't mind looking for a used one, I'd look for a Romanian M69
 
jim243 thats a real sharp comeback. 250 dollar Walnut stock?? You most be feeling goofy.

jon86 Go find a base savage and make up your own mind. Like i said ,if used for general plink'n its fine or even better than fine, even for basic small game hunting and fun at the range. It just does not offer a stiff base for an accurate rifle with the stock thats used in there bottom end rifles. There mid line stocks are good and boyd's stock makes all of savage's laminate stock for them.

If i did not own a good savage allready i would now by a CZ also. They are worth the money. Accurate and good look'n.

heres an option, home brewed ruger 10/22 shot at 50 yards with sk match ammo.
th_104_0582.gif
 
Last edited:
I have a Savage MKII FV and I just bought a CZ452 this week.

I bought the Savage because I wanted a rifle that I didn't have to worry about scratching up. It has a better trigger than the 452 out the box and the action is smoother.

I bought the CZ452 before it disappears and I like wood. It feels more balanced than my Savage. I wish it came drilled and tapped for a scope instead of having the groove receiver. I havn't scoped it yet so I can't compare accuracy yet.

CZ $460.
Savage $260 with a scope that I will change.
Mags for the Savage are $17 and $30 for the CZ.
 
Last edited:
Ive had great accuracy from the mark II guns. That said I cant stand them. The overall quality of the gun is just not up to my standards. I sold my mark II and got a Kimber 82G. Single shot sucks at times, but the quality is there.

Ive shot several CZs, but never fired a 77/22 (I have looked at several). Id be inclined to try a Ruger as I think the CZ still leaves something to be desired for a quality rifle. But that said, I wont be buying another 22lr rifle for a while as im happy with my Kimber. If you can afford the Ruger, buy it. The mark II is accurate as sin, but from my experience, I was severely disappointed in the quality of the Savage builds. Just my 2 cents.
 
CZ. I'm a rimfire junkie, and the 452 American is one of my favorites. It looks good, shoots great, and has never disappointed me. The next time I lug it out to the range I'll take some pics of the 100 yard targets. I put a Zeiss Conquest on mine and it's one of my favorite rifles to shoot.
 
I love my CZ 452. It feels like a real rifle. Unlike the plastic stock crowd that feel like toys. The rifle is more accurate than I am.

That being said, CZ's have crap triggers out of the box. Heavy and creepy. But a gunsmith or a DIY kit (Eric Brooks or YoDave) can make it sweet. I installed an Eric Brooks kit and I have a nice 2lb trigger with no creep.
 
ANDYM79,
One thing no one has really hit on is the fact that .22's tend to have strange preferences for certain diets. No matter which .22 you get- you'll need to do some load testing with several brands/types of ammo in order to select the one that your particular rifle likes the best. That's just the way rimfires generally are. You could buy the best rated and most expensive rifle on the free market, but if you run ammo it does not like- then it won't shoot any more accurately than the worst rifle on the market.
 
10-96 True enough. Thats just part of the fun is finding what your .22 does like. I think its fun! I have had atleast 15 box's of ammo that got feed to our .22 pistols. Even when you get a good one temp changes may kill accuracy or with a lot numbers change so goes your group size. Can't play with handloads like you can with centerfire ammo. Just got to keep buy'n and try'n and in most case's ordering on line till you find the right .22 ammo. Even the ammo that shoots best at 25 and 50 yards may not shot well at 100 yards and longer.
 
I'd disagree with that a bit. You typically see groups shrink as cost of ammo increases. These changes aren't always proportional to the price spent on the ammo and not every choice shoots to where it's price suggests, but it's a fairly predictable trend. Every once in a while you can find a given lot number of cheap ammo that shoots well too, but once you get out of that lot number, who knows. When you look at the seriously competitive rimfire shooters out there, they only shoot one of about 3 choices of ammo. When you look at guys shooting mildly competitively, the bulk are shooting one of about 4 choices of ammo.

The top end typically shoot Eley Tenex, Eley Black box, or Lapua Midas. A couple will shoot RWS R100 or R50 and maybe Federal Ultramatch. That's about it. All of those are over $13/50. On the low end of target ammo, a step or two above bulk production, you see a trend for a couple other choices. Far and away, Wolf MT is the most suggested middle ground ammo out there. It's accurate and fairly consistent in most rifles. SK is rebranded Wolf. There are a handful of midgrade Eley options, all which tend to shoot a little tighter and with a few less fliers the higher the price. RWS Target and Federal Gold Medal 711b are two others that seem to shoot well for many, though the Federal is normally just a bit behind the rest of the midgrade ammo's listed (and it happens to be about 10-20% cheaper too).

Price is typically an indication of consistency which happens to lead to tighter groups and fewer fliers. While not all rifles like all ammo choices, when you get into match ammo you typically see group sizes change with cost.
 
I know a few old geezers that live to shoot rimfire shilloutte. Most practice every day unless it is really windy. Everyone of them shoots an Anshutz-------but every one of them says that the Mark II and the CZ compare very favorably with the Mark II being equal to or superior to the CZ in accuracy. One shoots a Mark II in the hunter class.
 
.

I have an old Ruger 77/22 stainless with the ugly rubbery composite stock. Love that gun, super accurate and reliable.


It's the perfect .22 IMHO.
.
 
I have a synthetic stocked Savage MKII and have thanked God on more than one occasion that it was synthetic, lol.

Water won't hurt it, neither will sand, mud, snow, drops and bumps and even the occasional smack against a tree (was accidental, when walking through the woods). It still looks like new, needs no special care or maintenance and is still factory straight.

I paid 140 dollars for it, used with a really nice and bright 4x scope and a box of Remington Golden Bullets...It'll shoot better groups than I know I even can, all day long....100 yard groups leave a bit to be desired (mostly due to me), but hell..I'm never gonna pick a squirrel off at that distance anyways...

I could go on and on about it but....You were saying NEVER BUY ONE WITH A SYN STOCK....Why, again?
Why were you saying
 
If you want something to completely satisfy your shooting needs & pass down, look into the Remington 511 series...mainly the 511x, 512T, 513 & the 521 i think. $250-450. (the 511x usually goes for about $250, mine was free as Dad got it in 1970 @ 16 :)

I shoot 1.5" groups alll day with the extinct 711b fed gold medal target in prone w/a dead on hold. When I was shooting it every weekend i did 1" mostly and once did a 3/4" @ 100yds. i mainly shoot 100yds + as the thing loves it. its my only 1moa rifle. I am now gonna try the wolf match exta and other $$$ stuff as i have about 400rnds of my good stuff left & I cant bear to use it much.

I use CCI std vel subsonics normally and they do about 2" average in it. its ok for regular shooting. I took out 5 rnds of my GM Match & nailed a 1.5" group @ slightly over 100yds today. I LOVE that stuff!! (white n blue box, discontinued)

just my .02. and dont clean the barrel, .22lr is more accurate dirty! firsthand experience.
 
Last edited:
Were the CCI Standard Velocity shooting 2" at 50 or 100 yds? They do pretty well for the price if your rifle likes them.

I don't know if a CZ is a better overall rifle. I have both a Mark II Classic (walnut stocked version) and CZ452 varmint. I personally like the Savage more and the CZ Varmint is kind of chunky for a 22. (But probably due to the fact that it has the heavy barrel,.) Shoots good though. On accuracy, I would say they are both about equal out of the box.

I prefer my Remington 541-S and 547 over both of them. Have not owned a Ruger 77/22. The price keeps scaring me away. Most of the 77/22's look like they just added the walnut stock from the 10/22. Very average. However, I am likely looking for another 22 Mag and will be looking at both the Ruger and CZ models before I choose.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top