an entire year of shooting lost to the hoarders and gougers

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I'm just about ready to sell every gun I have cheap. I can get plenty of centerfire ammo but I can't get ANY rimfire and I'm sick of it. The ammo companies are making money hand over fist and I can't buy a single box of ammo unless I go to Walmart every day at 7:30AM. The thing is I can't go to Walmart at 7:30AM ever. People have jobs. So the gougers get the ammo and long time shooters get the shaft.

What's the point. The shooting sports are pretty much dead now. The gun grabbers have won because the ammo companies wouldn't act to prevent it. They're the only ones who can. They needed to flood the market with ammo and they didn't do it. They like that easy money. I hope they can survive on those people who shoot 30 rounds a year but buy up ammo and resell it for 4 times the real price. I've kept those people in business for 50 years. Now they couldn't care less about people like me. They'll never survive on the fad of owning a gun. Fads always kill off companies. The companies think it will always be easy money then "poof" it's all gone. Try to sell a Cabbage Patch doll now. They used to sell for a fortune. Now they're worthless. The same thing will happen to ammo. And the ammo companies will die with the fad.

They should have done more to help us. They haven't done squat.
 
right with you there, I haven't been shooting for at least as long. I bought the guns in the calibers I did because ammo was cheap and easy to find, now I almost have to buy a .40 or .380 just to find some ammo. Was at a store yesterday and the guys laughed at me when I asked about .22 or 9mm and said I should buy a .40 instead. I did find some at a lgs recently for almost normal prices (though with a strict selling limit) but still none at the walmart. I can't believe people are still hoarding it, or perhaps its people like you and me snatch it up as quick as it gets there just to be able to shoot.
 
I've got quite a bit more 22LR now than I did 12 months ago, and I shoot quite a lot of it too. I go to the range 2 - 3 times per week on average. Do I have to work a bit harder to find ammo? Sure, but it's worth it.

The ammo situation is getting better and the shooting sports are going strong too. I realize that these times have been trying but you really should stay positive. Stay positive and when the elections come next year, vote!
 
everyone keeps talking about "hoarders" but everyone here would buy a box of ammo if they could too.

Most people are NOT buying up every box of ammo they can and reselling it, most people are simply buying what is available.

The problem is that EVERYONE WHO OWNS A GUN is doing this. The ammo manufacturers simply did not have the capacity to support this, and you cant wave a wand to make it happen.

And saying the shooting sports are dead is just absolutely wrong - I doubt the millions of new gun owners would be very disappointed to hear that.
 
I am doing less plinking and more serious benchrest shooting. I have bought plenty of match grade ammo this year at last year's prices.
 
So much complaining and so little action. The shortage of ammo is not due to gougers and hoarders (i'm sick of these excuses). It's because people are afraid their 2a rights will be whittled away. So instead of complaining, call your political representatives. Let them know if they don't publicly support the 2a without exception, that they will be unemployed.

This bickering among ourselves and negative venting does nothing to solve the problem. It only brings everyone else down.

If you're not part of the solution, you are the problem.
 
So, over the last few years, I would buy one or two bulk packs of .22's when some place would have a good price on some. I happen to have probably enough to completely fill two .30 cal. ammo cans.

Does that make me a "hoarder"? Or just someone who bought what I could, when I could get a good price?

Also the last few years, I started reloading every centerfire caliber I shoot, because it's cheaper, satisfying, and fun. I also bought brass when it came by cheap, picked up every piece I found, and bought primers, powders and bullets as I came across deals. I now have more ammo loaded up than I can store, and I still have plenty of components left to work with. Same with surplus ammo and private sellers, I picked up all the affordable deals I could.

Does this make me a hoarder? Or just a frugal accumulator trying to insure that I have a good supply for the best value?

IMO, the hoarders and gougers are the guys that buy pallet loads of ammo to sit on, or to resell at gunshows, on Gunbroker or other auction sites. Not everyone who builds up a personal supply of ammo for personal use is a bad guy, you know.
 
So who's fault is it that you didn't stock up? I don't blame anyone for not stocking up as much when I could have, I'm just glad it got me into reloading. If you don't wanna go to the stores all the time paying a little more online probably evens out with gas prices.
 
Cee Zee said:
I'm just about ready to sell every gun I have cheap.
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I'm a buyer when you're ready.

Cee Zee said:
I can get plenty of centerfire ammo but I can't get ANY rimfire and I'm sick of it.
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I've passed up thousands of rounds of .22 LR this week alone at prices from 5 cents to 8 cents per round. It's out there...and it's not very hard to find...PM me if you want some help...seriously.

The rest of the post sounded like a huge pity party...I get that you're frustrated but this ain't the end of the world. It's a temporary imbalance that will "right itself" after some period of time. Just because it's not happening as fast as you'd like doesn't mean it won't happen.
 
I'm good on all centerfiee ammo because I reload and I have plenty of components in stock. .22, not so much. I've only recently begun shooting rim fire again. I have been able to buy about 500 rounds in the past six months at somewhat inflated prices. Centerfiee, I have probably enough to last the rest of my lifetime, which admittedly isn't that long a time. Don't go to he range as often as I used to simply because I don't have the time.
 
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The problem is that EVERYONE WHO OWNS A GUN is doing this. The ammo manufacturers simply did not have the capacity to support this, and you cant wave a wand to make it happen.
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No, not correct, at least as far as I'm concerned. I haven't purchased .22 ammo for at least the last 5 to 6 years, maybe even longer. No need to as I purchased bunches of ammo from the CMP years ago and still have a few cases. Also purchased plinking/hunting ammo when stores ran sales. Did the same with quality target ammo, SK Jagd & Eley. Seriously doubt I'll ever use it all up as I do not go shooting as much because of Heat and health reasons.

I do the same with auto fluids I use all the time such as oil and antifreeze. Why not stock up when on sale, it not going to go bad.
 
I have quite a bit of .22, but I bought it in massive bulk back in 2009. For ammo that I bought back in 2009, does that make me a hoarder in 2013?
 
When .22 ammo finally comes back, I suggest you start "hoarding" yourself. Every time you see some for sale at a good price, pick up a couple bulk packs. Go to WalMart for other stuff, grab some .22's as well! Do that every chance you can, and you'll have plenty when the next panic hits.
 
Its coming back. Common center fire is easy to find online. Starting to see other stuff coming back too. Match 22 ammo easily found but $$$. I can wait. If I was that hard up for ammo, I'd compare prices and shot what was cheapest (match 22lr vs 9/40/45/223/etc).

Everyone will eventually get their fill and shelves will hopefully be stocked come holiday season.

So my theoretical question is:

If everyone continues to stock up and eventually get their fill, what will happen during/to the next panic? Will the "hoarders" have enough ammo already from hoarding this time or will it just get worse or will the people that didn't hoard, board then?
 
Post #9 got me thinking, if retailers sold mainly bulk packs, it would scare most ammo gougers before they even thought of buying. Though the hoarders may be happier.
 
CeeZee,
Don't give up. You sell your guns and you WILL regret it. They cost you nothing to sit in your safe. Ammo is coming back here also. Just chill out. I understand your frustration, but selling off guns is the WRONG way to express it. Would you sell a 67 GTO that was sitting in your garage because there was a gas shortage and gas went to $10 a gallon? I know wouldn't.
 
Let me know when you sell your .22LR guns cheap ;)

Really, though, we all feel your pain. I sold all my .22LR when I sold my last .22LR gun about 8 months ago and I'm kicking myself because I could be helping my friends out right now. I had about 2k rounds stocked up! Sorry guys :(
 
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The gun grabbers have won because the ammo companies wouldn't act to prevent it. They're the only ones who can. They needed to flood the market with ammo and they didn't do it.
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You do not magically double or triple or quadruple production with a flip of a switch.

Companies, including ammunition manufacturers, rarely have very much excess capacity at their disposal. It is not good economics or business. They make forecasts a year or two in advance and base their production equipment needs and raw material needs on the forecasts. It takes real time to ramp up production to higher levels, usually needing new production lines and operators.

When the actual sales far outstrips the forecast, it is as much a miserable situation for the manufacturer as it is the consumer.

Give the manufacturers the benefit of the doubt.

As far as the hoarders and scalpers...
 
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