And Now - Alloy Glock Frames!!!
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Peter M. Eick
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I might consider buying another G20 and dump the plastic then.
My one complaint about the glock was the frame flexed during recoil. Throw some nuclear loads out of a G20 and ever time the frame will give a bit. Some called it a feature, after 4000 odd round I called it garbage and sold off the gun and the $150 clinton 15 round magazines I bought for it.
A nice metal frame that does not "significantly" flex? Now there is a good idea!
My one complaint about the glock was the frame flexed during recoil. Throw some nuclear loads out of a G20 and ever time the frame will give a bit. Some called it a feature, after 4000 odd round I called it garbage and sold off the gun and the $150 clinton 15 round magazines I bought for it.
A nice metal frame that does not "significantly" flex? Now there is a good idea!
Desertscout
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$150 magazines? I hope they gave you little package of Vaseline with them 
I've shot quite a few WAY over the top loads in my G20 and haven't the slightest hint of a problem. The frame flexing slightly makes a big difference in felt recoil. My little 115 pound wife shoots my 20 very well and loves it.
The alloy frames are just yet another gimmick. Some will buy into it while others will recognize it for what it is. If Glocks didn't have the poly frame, I wouldn't be nearly as excited about them as I am.
I've shot quite a few WAY over the top loads in my G20 and haven't the slightest hint of a problem. The frame flexing slightly makes a big difference in felt recoil. My little 115 pound wife shoots my 20 very well and loves it.
The alloy frames are just yet another gimmick. Some will buy into it while others will recognize it for what it is. If Glocks didn't have the poly frame, I wouldn't be nearly as excited about them as I am.
whitebear
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I think these frames are targeted (so to speak) at the IPSC and IDPA gamers who want to shoot a Glock for the supposed class advantages, but want the extra weight of a metal frame to cut down on recoil, and allow them to get back on target more quickly.
Just my $.02.
Just my $.02.
Desertscout
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They'll never make me believe that the weight of the alloy frame reduces recoil as much as the flexing of the polymer frame. It'd have to shoot them side-by-side to tell.
wanderinwalker
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So I have to go to an aftermarket Glock frame to getthings Glocks don't need, like beveled magazine wells, oversized trigger guard, beavertail tangs, lower bore axis and a longer a rail?
No thanks, I'll pass. My G-17 shoots great as-is thank you!
Of course, these things will sell...
the naked prophet
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I'd much rather have a rounded 1911-style slide on my Glock frame. I think the rounded looks of the 1911 would conceal better as well as look better.
Peter M. Eick
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How quickly we forget what the Clinton 10 rnd mag ban costs us. Yes I actually paid 150$ per mag for 15 rounders way back in 8/15/99. I actually spent more on the mags then I did on the gun.
Remember, back then we did not think that the forces of good would kick the forces of evil out of the power making establishment and the Clinton mag ban would fall. Back then if you wanted new "normal capacity" mags you had to pay top dollar. Even used 15 rnd G20 mags were going in the 120$ range in pre-2000.
I remember when I ordered those mags and got them. I was so happy I got them cheap because I saw them over $200 at one point. I got them for only $150 a mag and I used them a bunch.
So as election time rolls around again, think about the idea of $150 15 rnd mags and vote accordingly.
Now back to the topic at hand. I don't see your guys issue with metal over plastic. Why does the glock have to be plastic? I don't see a lot of folks complaining when someone yanks the plastic sights off and puts some metal ones on? I don't see anyone complaining when they pull the plastic guide rod out and put a metal one in? I don't see too many folks complain when you have to toss the stock glock barrel so you can shoot lead or nuclear loads?
So what is the big deal about plastic for the frame?
You guys like a "squishy" glock plastic frame and I sold the gun because of that same "feature". Now someone is offering an alloy frame/stainless frame that presumably will not be so flexible and that appeals to someone like me.
Lets see what are the downsides.
Loss of reliability? Nope,
Loss of squishy frame? Yep.
Still a 10mm? Yep
Glock safe action trigger? Yep (bet someone is thinking about metal triggers now also).
I see a win-win for all.
Remember, back then we did not think that the forces of good would kick the forces of evil out of the power making establishment and the Clinton mag ban would fall. Back then if you wanted new "normal capacity" mags you had to pay top dollar. Even used 15 rnd G20 mags were going in the 120$ range in pre-2000.
I remember when I ordered those mags and got them. I was so happy I got them cheap because I saw them over $200 at one point. I got them for only $150 a mag and I used them a bunch.
So as election time rolls around again, think about the idea of $150 15 rnd mags and vote accordingly.
Now back to the topic at hand. I don't see your guys issue with metal over plastic. Why does the glock have to be plastic? I don't see a lot of folks complaining when someone yanks the plastic sights off and puts some metal ones on? I don't see anyone complaining when they pull the plastic guide rod out and put a metal one in? I don't see too many folks complain when you have to toss the stock glock barrel so you can shoot lead or nuclear loads?
So what is the big deal about plastic for the frame?
You guys like a "squishy" glock plastic frame and I sold the gun because of that same "feature". Now someone is offering an alloy frame/stainless frame that presumably will not be so flexible and that appeals to someone like me.
Lets see what are the downsides.
Loss of reliability? Nope,
Loss of squishy frame? Yep.
Still a 10mm? Yep
Glock safe action trigger? Yep (bet someone is thinking about metal triggers now also).
I see a win-win for all.
Josh Aston
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Lightning Strike already makes the metal triggers.
I for one intend to get one of these, just so I can have an UnGLock.
So you replace the polymer sights, guide rod, frame, trigger assembly, and then get a better barrel, what is left to be called Glock? The slide?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for customization. I just always thought that the main reason people buy Glocks was for the "advantages" of polymer. Lightweight, inexpensive, corrosion resistant, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for customization. I just always thought that the main reason people buy Glocks was for the "advantages" of polymer. Lightweight, inexpensive, corrosion resistant, etc.
swampgator
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I remember watching a guy write a check for 3 used G22 mags (don't know what a G22 'normal' capacity mag holds). $270 out the door. I durn near fell out. And these were used on consignment.
Makes forking over $20 for a 1911 mag seen almost pleasant!
Peter M. Eick
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When I dumped the money on the mags I looked at it brutally. These were the first 15 rnders I had seen in a couple of years, they were brand new and at the time it looked highly unlikely that the mag bill would ever be overturned. Thus I dropped the coin because I liked the idea of 16 rounds of hot 10mm. Only after a lot of shooting did I decide that the G20 was not for me. To flexible of a frame. Now with a metal frame, the rest of the merits of the gun make it a viable chose again.
I just take a pragmatic view of it. Why is plastic better then a good alloy? To me the flexible nature of plastic overrides any perceived advantage over a metal frame.
I just take a pragmatic view of it. Why is plastic better then a good alloy? To me the flexible nature of plastic overrides any perceived advantage over a metal frame.
Hey - I'm selling a kit for the 1911:
- New frame, with a Glock/Luger type grip angle (polymer)
- Higher bore axis
- DA trigger
- Slide mounted safety, that sweeps UP to fire
- 9mm caliber
- Internal key lockout device
- Mag safety
- Small, plastic sights
Think it will sell?
- New frame, with a Glock/Luger type grip angle (polymer)
- Higher bore axis
- DA trigger
- Slide mounted safety, that sweeps UP to fire
- 9mm caliber
- Internal key lockout device
- Mag safety
- Small, plastic sights
Think it will sell?
progunner1957
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Oink, oink!!
As far as the alloy Glock frame, the old phrase "teats on a boar hog" comes to mind...
Heckler & Koch must be sick with envy...
As far as the alloy Glock frame, the old phrase "teats on a boar hog" comes to mind...
Now if only they had an aftermarket slide that was narrower and didn't have all the corners and edges.
I think some folks missed the purpose of the frame though. I think "Raceframes" should be a clue. This is targetted mostly at the race gun folks, where added weight and stability is a good thing. It would be good on a belt gun or home defense gun too, for those who prefer Glocks. The only Glocks I've shot had far too much grip angle for me. If I was going to own a Glock (ain't gonna happen), I would consider a modification like this.
I think some folks missed the purpose of the frame though. I think "Raceframes" should be a clue. This is targetted mostly at the race gun folks, where added weight and stability is a good thing. It would be good on a belt gun or home defense gun too, for those who prefer Glocks. The only Glocks I've shot had far too much grip angle for me. If I was going to own a Glock (ain't gonna happen), I would consider a modification like this.
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