Another Alabama carry on campus poll

[armedandsafe]

Hit it.

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[jrou111]

I hit it, we need to continue to hit it more!

Do you think lawmakers should pass a bill that would allow college students to carry a gun on campus?
Total Votes: 250
Yes
30% (75)
No
68% (170)
Not Sure
2% (5)

 

[HungSquirrel]

As usual, Alabamians responding in the poll seem to feel the only useful guns are ones designed for taking deer.

 

[Winchester 73]

No 67 %
Yes 31%
This will be turned around by morning.
But where do all these sheep come from?Appalling.

 

[jrou111]

I replied in the comments section as the user "james"

 

[igpoobah]

Done...

 

[chris in va]

Are you guys kneejerking this poll or really thinking about the issue?

Lots of drinking and immaturity on campuses. Granted you have to be 21, but that's still pretty darn young to be carrying a firearm among thousands of other students just recently away from their parents for the first time.

I'm not sure either way.

 

[The-Fly]

Chris, there are a lot of older students at colleges (think Vets, people switching to a 2nd career, grad students), plus what about staff members?

 

[Regolith]

Are you guys kneejerking this poll or really thinking about the issue?

Lots of drinking and immaturity on campuses. Granted you have to be 21, but that's still pretty darn young to be carrying a firearm among thousands of other students just recently away from their parents for the first time.

I'm not sure either way.

*sigh*

If you are 21 or older, you can obtain a CCW. Given that, that means that there are thousands of college students who already have a CCW license. They go through the same crap that you do to get one. The only thing this does is allow them to carry on campus without the threat of getting expelled. It doesn't change ANYTHING else. Its not handing out free CCW's and pistols to random college students.

Given that only the responsible ones tend to go for a CCW in the first place, and not the ones that spend every weekend ****faced and drugged up, I don't see how this is going to create any other problems. College students deserve to be able to protect themselves just as much as you do.

 

[chris in va]

Given that only the responsible ones tend to go for a CCW in the first place

Not always, but I know what you mean. There's just a much higher pressure to party and get smashed on campus than typically found in normal life.

I have a proposal. Let them carry for a year on campus. No infractions of ANY kind, carry for another year. And they have to be LOCKED UP securely when not carried. Period.

 

[jrfoxx]

Do you think lawmakers should pass a bill that would allow college students to carry a gun on campus?
Total Votes: 274
Yes
36% (98)
No
62% (170)
Not Sure
2% (6)

 

[Winchester 73]

chris in va,
You are a soul brother of Coach Randy Shannon of the U.of Miami,FL.
No football players with guns, even if 21 and a CCW holder or you are banished from the team.Great believer in the Constitution,Randy, hopefully soon ex-coach.
Yet Vermont allows a 16 year old to open or conceal carry with no permit or license required since 1902.
And we all have heard about those horrendous Vermont shootings by juveniles haven't we?
Please read the the 2nd Amendment again ,chris.

 

[chris in va]

Wow, don't tolerate an alternate opinion I see.

Hey, let's just allow carry from birth. 6 year olds can be responsible, right? Strap 'em on man. Every man, woman and child armed, right?

C'mon. I stand firm on my position.

BTW note that I'm not saying NO on the poll, just not yes without having proof it's a safe thing to do.

 

[Winchester 73]

chris,I can tolerate it.But as Vermont has shown(16 not 6)your position holds no water.
The military allows 17 year olds to strap on whatever.
But hey,whatever light's your fire.
And again,show me the Vermont stats that make responsible juveniles at 16 carrying a bad idea.
Back up your position,with some firm negative stats.
Ready,set,go......

 

[PoconoEagle]

37% no
61% yes

every person deserves a chance to show thier selves worthy. Those who arnt worthy will do bad either way and more likley without ccw.

 

[Naja]

One more vote yes, percentages still showing the same at 36% for, 62% against. As an undergrad I did far more of my general mischief / drinking / partying off campus anyway, so I voted my experience there.

As a grad student almost 30 years old, living off campus, I realize that my situation is different than the typical student profile, but I don't think it's that much harder to not drink while carrying for them than for any of the rest of us. It's not telling a 21 year old "give up your social life and never drink again", it's telling them just not to do it while carrying.

Besides, as I understand it drinking while carrying is the type of thing that would get your ccw permit revoked anyway, so the regular law should apply on campus as anywhere else.

 

[chris in va]

Back up your position,with some firm negative stats.
Ready,set,go......

Alright, before I head for bed here...

Let's get my position straight. I'm all for responsible, law abiding mature people carrying firearms. If that includes kids in college, so be it. And yes, I consider some 21 year olds to be 'kids' from what I've seen.

I'm not about to go quoting any stats, because I simply don't have any. Nor do I need to go digging up any for your benefit. We're on the same team here!

Swing your crosshairs somewhere else.

 

[Regolith]

Wow, don't tolerate an alternate opinion I see.

When your opinion is based not on fact but rather on emotion, yes.

Can you tell me in what way a 21 year old who has a CCW and doesn't go to college is any different than a 21 year old who has a CCW and does go to college? How is it that we should trust that last 21 year old to carry every well else in public, but once he crosses an invisible line on campus he automatically becomes irresponsible and should no longer be trusted?

Your position is similar to the antis: We aren't responsible enough, that we should capitulate our defense to the State because if we tried to do it ourselves there'd be Blood in the Streets.

 

[chris in va]

Can you tell me in what way a 21 year old who has a CCW and doesn't go to college is any different than a 21 year old who has a CCW and does go to college

Yes.

My friend has a 20 year old sophomore in college. Lots of partying, especially at the sorority house she's at. Lack of sleep added to the mix. She's a good kid, but LOTS of influences and close quarters with not-so-good types.

And then there's the MANY times I've been muzzle swept at the range by...you guessed it...younger guys, some with CC permits.

But you know what? I'm comfortable with my position, no real need to keep justifying my thoughts on the issue.

I'm open minded though, what are the stats with colleges that do allow carry?

 

[Winchester 73]

Sweet dreams ,chris.
We're on the same side.

 

[Regolith]

Yes.

My friend has a 20 year old sophomore in college. Lots of partying, especially at the sorority house she's at. Lack of sleep added to the mix. She's a good kid, but LOTS of influences and close quarters with not-so-good types.

And then there's the MANY times I've been muzzle swept at the range by...you guessed it...younger guys, some with CC permits.

You know, very rarely do I see so many logical fallacies wrapped into so few sentences. Hasty Generalization, Anecdotal Fallacy, and Guilt by Association fallacy. Well done. I think Brady still beats you, though.

So, according to you, all college students are drunkards, who shouldn't be let near a shooting iron. Or is it that they're too young to be responsible? So you think we should raise the CCW age to 24? How about 30? Maybe we should raise the age of buying a firearm, too, just to be sure. Those "younger guys" at the range could easily be that old, might as well disarm those guys too.

It's this kind of thinking that the antis feed off of.

But you know what? I'm comfortable with my position, no real need to keep justifying my thoughts on the issue.

I'm open minded though, what are the stats with colleges that do allow carry?

Only state that I know that allows students to carry on Campus is Utah. I've yet to hear anything bad happen. You know very damn well that CC'ers as a rule tend to follow the law at a far higher rate than their none-toting peers. This is just as true of college students who CC as any other CC'ers.

 

[ExtremeDooty]

It's been a long time and my memory is not what it used to be, but I remember an awful lot of maturing going on between age 18 and 21. I remember a lot of my friends that weren't in College partying about as much as those in College. So I don't really think that partying has anything to do with this conversation.

Either we trust 21 yr. olds that are responsible enough to get their CCW permits or we don't. Generally speaking, people with permits are more responsible and there is a sobering effect when you carry a sidearm. I don't see how going to College somehow negates this observation.

Personally, I do trust 21 yr. olds, and think that being allowed to carry on campus would eventually be a positive for us when no blood flows in the dormitories. (Or at least no more than usual.)

 

[Ultrachimp]

Should I call upon the power of other sites? I have a personal army you know. The problem is they won't admit it

 

[10 Ring Tao]

Are you guys kneejerking this poll or really thinking about the issue?

Lots of drinking and immaturity on campuses. Granted you have to be 21, but that's still pretty darn young to be carrying a firearm among thousands of other students just recently away from their parents for the first time.

So the law thinks it's ok for someone to carry, and you're going to second guess the law because you're projecting feelings of inadequate control in situations involving alcohol or college parties?

This is also garbage because you're making the insinuation that college kids are any more likely to need to be shot than the general population. Do I really need to break out stats comparing college students and the general population in terms of crimes that warrant deadly force?

 

[Deleted member 53664]

Another Yes vote, but more still needed.

Do you think lawmakers should pass a bill that would allow college students to carry a gun on campus?
Total Votes: 308
Yes 43% (131)
No 56% (171)
Not Sure 2% (6)