Another Reason to Consider Carrying at Home

[jakemccoy]

Anybody who thinks I'm dumb for carrying at home, here's another case for ya. The robbery takes place in south San Jose. I don't know of any bad neighborhoods in that area. A shotgun hidden in the next room probably wouldn't have helped you out here...

http://origin.insidebayarea.com/localnews/ci_8325473

8 people tied up in San Jose home invasion robbery
By Leslie Griffy
Mercury News
Article Created: 02/21/2008 08:25:14 AM PST


Police found four children and four adults tied with duct tape up in their South San Jose home, victims of a home invasion robbery earlier this morning, officer Jermaine Thomas said.
One man was beaten during the robbery, but no one was seriously injured in the attack, he said.

Thomas said officers believe that five men entered the home at around 2:20 a.m., tied up the family and stole some of their belongs. The house is on the 400 block of Ariel Drive, near Snell Avenue and Santa Teresa Boulevard.

The robbers barged into the home with their faces covered, shot into the ceiling of a hallway, restrained the family with duct tape and dragged them into a bedroom.

The investigation is ongoing and it is unclear what the men took from the home and how police were alerted to the robbery.

No suspects are in custody at this point.

Anyone with information about this incident is asked to call San Jose Police Department's robbery unit at (408) 277-4166.

 

[Andrew S]

Here is one from here in Las Vegas.

One robbery suspect is on the loose and another is in the hospital after four victims fought back.

Police say the four victims were barbecuing when two men with guns entered the home. One of the victims said he made a near-fatal mistake by leaving the garage door partially open. The victims, who do not want to be identified for safety reasons, say they ended up fighting for their lives and thought they might die.

"The look in their eyes, especially when they started beating us in the back of the heads with the guns. It was kind of like someone would torture a little animal and then joking about how they were going to love killing us," said one victim.

The men were pinned to the floor with shotguns. "It got ugly when they went back downstairs and decided to tell the women to undress their clothes," the victim added, "The girls were really crying and you could just tell that they were incredibly upset."

The victim told Eyewitness News that one of the suspects who was preparing to sexually assault the women turned his attention away from the guns and let down his guard.

The two male victims saw their opportunity.

"I grabbed him, threw him down on the ground, grabbed a weight from the weight set and smashed him in the head."

The women also joined in the fight, hitting the suspects with a frying pan.

"One of the girls completely nude managed to grab a gun and shoot the guy in the chest area and in the leg."

"She did what she had to do and I have to be thankful that she was able to do what she did and if she didn't I might not be able to give you this story right now."

The suspect who was shot has serious injuries and is in the hospital. The second suspect is on the run and as for the victims, they have minor injuries.

The police are very cautious not to make this seem like a heroic act. They say fighting back can sometimes end with the victims being more seriously hurt.

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=7810795

The one who was shot got what he deserved and is currently 6ft deep. I am not sure if they ever found the second guy.

 

[romma]

The police are very cautious not to make this seem like a heroic act. They say fighting back can sometimes end with the victims being more seriously hurt.

That is sickening

The police are very cautious make sure you are a good little sheep and get raped, robbed, and then murdered...

Fighting back should always be an option, it's the victims life that is on the line not the police spokesperson...

 

[Andrew S]

The report was from one of the liberal stations in town. It wouldn't be complete from them if they didn't do their part to continue their efforts in making the people dependant on the government.

 

[Majic]

Another Reason to Consider Carrying at Home

As this was a family and it was 2:20 am they were probably asleep. So do you carry in bed also?

 

[Eric F]

They say fighting back can sometimes end with the victims being more seriously hurt.

because of the addage "sometimes" this is a true statement

The police are very cautious make sure you are a good little sheep and get raped, robbed, and then murdered

Man was that necessary to say that? Its not the case with all of them.

Fighting back should always be an option

Yes I agree but is it always the best option?

As this was a family and it was 2:20 am they were probably asleep. So do you carry in bed also?

Yeah what he said.

 

[romma]

Yes I agree but is it always the best option?

No...

 

[CountGlockula]

Another Reason to Consider Carrying at Home...

more like: "Another Reason to continually take self defense firearms training."

or better yet...

"Another Reason to have situational awareness at home."

 

[hawk84]

do you carry in bed?

I have a 12ga loaded under the bed with one in the chamber
same with my M&P40

 

[romma]

do you carry in bed?

Right dang close to it.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

The police are very cautious not to make this seem like a heroic act. They say fighting back can sometimes end with the victims being more seriously hurt.

Yeah the criminals hate it when you do that. Just lie there and be a good victim.

Given that a lot of these invasions happen in the wee hours I think it would be foolish NOT to carry in bed (having one within reach from bed).

 

[sonyhoppes]

Romma, you and I BOTH know about the terrible Cheshire home invasion.

 

[Soybomb]

To me it seems more like another example of "guns aren't the answer to everything" than its an example of why you should be carrying in your house too. To me that article illustrates the importance of hardening your house to attackers. If someone is going to break in you need to have it so they make some noise doing it and get slowed down. You need to be able to wake up, get the kids safe with you (who likely aren't packing), get 911 dialed, and then take up your defensive position with your weapon.

 

[Eric F]

Soybomb we have some diffrence in oponion before but I can totaly agree with this.

get 911 dialed, and then take up your defensive position with your weapon.

or get out of the house all together.

 

[romma]

Romma, you and I BOTH know about the terrible Cheshire home invasion

Actually sonnyhoppes, that was pretty national news at the time. Although the updates that come in are regional to us I am sure.

The sad thing is not one pro self defense bill was introduced by our legislators on the heels of that terrible event.

They did pass some other laws regarding felons and prison sentences.

No castle doctrine for Liberal Ole' Connecticut.

I've got a home invasion type of story of my own posted here somewhere from a couple of years ago..

 

[The Canuck]

Soybomb and Eric F, I must respectfully disagree.

You get into your secure position first, then call 9-1-1. What good is your secure postion or having a phone in your hand when the badguy is on you?

Its like battle school, you Shoot, Move, Talk, in that order. Or as I learned in flight school, Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. Every environment where I learned about life or death situations, talking to somebody always comes in dead last.

 

[sonyhoppes]

Romma, CT does have a Castle Doctrine. We just don't have a "stand your ground" law where's there's no duty to retreat from any place we are legally allowed to be.

Below is from the official ct.gov site: http://www.cga.ct.gov/2002/olrdata/jud/rpt/2002-R-0847.htm

PHYSICAL FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PREMISES

A person who possesses or controls property or has a license or privilege to be in or on it is justified in using reasonable physical force when and to the extent he reasonably believes it to be necessary to stop another from trespassing or attempting to trespass in or upon it. The owner can use deadly physical force only (1) to defend a person as described in CGS § 53a-19, (2) when he reasonably believes it is necessary to prevent the trespasser from attempting to commit arson or any violent crime, or (3) to the extent he reasonably believes it is necessary to stop someone from forcibly entering his home or workplace (and for the sole purpose of stopping the intruder) (CGS § 53a-20).

Heck, this last part makes it sound like deadly force can be used BEFORE someone gains access to a home because it states the necessity to stop someone from forcibly entering. Sounds like it would be okay to shoot through the door if they are trying to kick it in or something. What's ambiguous is that it specifically states the OWNER can use deadly force. What about renters? Staying in hotels, etc? I'm sure it translates over, but it's not specifically stated. Only that a person "in control" of a property can use reasonable physical force. Deadly force isn't implicitly stated as it is for an owner.

As for the Cheshire invasion, I just meant that it hit close to home for both of us. Cheshire is VERY close to where I live. Also, could you please recap what happened during your home invasion?

 

[RockyMtnTactical]

I almost always have a firearm within reach of me, if not on me at all times.

 

[jakemccoy]

Majic wrote,

As this was a family and it was 2:20 am they were probably asleep. So do you carry in bed also?

That's a big assumption. I and many others are oftentimes not asleep at that time.

While in bed, my 870 is loaded and within arm's reach. That's technically not carrying, but for all intents and purposes, such and arrangement is just as good as carrying.

While out of bed, I carry my Glock 27 concealed.

Good Luck,
-Jake

 

[sonyhoppes]

I always carry at home, too. It just too easy to throw a Kahr PM9 in my pocket (w/ holster) and two spare mags on the left side with a good folding knife and call it good. I'll use those 19 +p rounds to fight my way to the heavier stuff if I have to. Have a fully loaded AK ready to rock-n-roll along with a 12 ga. No kids in the house.

Also, I ALWAYS buy jammies that have pockets and a drawstring. The PM9 set up is light enough that it won't pull my pants down. In the summer months with boxers, the Smartcarry gets used or I stay dressed until bedtime.

 

[jakemccoy]

Count wrote,

Another Reason to Consider Carrying at Home...

more like: "Another Reason to continually take self defense firearms training."

or better yet...

"Another Reason to have situational awareness at home."

I prefer to think of these methods as working together, not exclusively.

Good Luck,
-Jake

 

[1911Tuner]

Yes I agree but is it always the best option?

Yes.

 

[chris in va]

I started carrying at home after hearing of two home invasions a couple years ago. I don't live in a large city, more like 25k people.

The families were home and they did stuff to them that wasn't elaborated upon. I never heard if they got caught.

Plus we also have this scurvy guy walking in unlocked back doors and just taking what he pleases. While people are home. His composite is posted on every 7-eleven in town.

As for the 'always the best option' thing, it is when their guard is down. Not much you can do with a gun to your back on the floor unless you have some Israeli commando training. Once the opportunity presents itself, DO IT.

 

[Eric F]

For many reasons I do not carry at home. I do however have a good security system and good doors/windows. It will not be an easy event to brake a door down any one can brake windows and climb in but that will take time and I have easy access to my fire arms. If I am sleeping unless my kid is crying or my wife is trying to get me up you could probably light an atomic pistol off in my backyard and I would never know so my gun is not so useful(as I am useless) when I am sleeping.

 

[sonyhoppes]

I have a good security system, too, but I just like carrying anyway. My control panel is on the first floor where we watch TV. I can see someone kicking in the door and/or busting a sliding glass door out and gaining control of an unarmed homeowner with a similar set up. Then make him immediately disarm the system at gunpoint before it actually goes off because they all have a delay to allow disarming when you come home and open the door. I would NOT even THINK of carrying that stupid key fob remote they gave me and wifey-poo was pretty pissed I wouldn't let her carry it, either, because it was "so handy". Damned thing has buttons for arm/disarm for stay or away conditions and doesn't even require a code!!! The installer acted like it was a great idea and my wife would love it until I pointed out that if someone stole her purse (keys), they'd have our address (DL), keys AND be able to bypass the alarm so they could waltz right in unencumbered!