W L Johnson
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Probably, too many are so far entrench in their own view that they can't see any merit in the others view. so is life.
For the record I'm an AR and an AK fan.
Another take on the AR vs AK debate
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Probably, too many are so far entrench in their own view that they can't see any merit in the others view. so is life.
For the record I'm an AR and an AK fan.
RobMoore
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Lucky for them they won't need to run very far to escape your max effective range.
SharpsDressedMan
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Economics. After I felt I no longer needed a semi auto except to have fun, shooting the Garand matches with my cousins and brother, the renewed "threat" of government failure, depression, social unrest, and extreme regulation (which may call for "resistance" to same), I felt compelled to add some semi-autos to my gear. The availability of several AK variants, and large quantities of ammo (both 5.45 and 7.62x39) for far less than a high end AR-15 made the choice for me. For ranges encountered in semi-rural Ohio, or urban indulgences, the AK should fair just as well as any AR's. Mine have been only slightly modified, but have what I need to get the job done. I believe the 7.62x39 is better than the 5.56 or 5.45 for shooting through car doors, but inferior to the 7.61x51. Since I am not going to get into that round again, I'll have to rely on the M1 Garand should I want a heavier, longer range or better penetrating round. But for general "get yourself out of the fire zone" weapon, the AK seems to be the best dollar value at this time.
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Funny, friend of mine always said that military pattern rifles were pretty much ideal for killing shotgunners.
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kcmarine
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I, for one, find this debate tiresome. Therefore, to make it entertaining, I will say this.
Both the AK and the AR are inferior to the Chauchat.
/wait for it... wait for it...
Both the AK and the AR are inferior to the Chauchat.
/wait for it... wait for it...
P.B.Walsh
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What's a Chauchat?
And a Remington 700 is the weapon of the gods, the M14 is the assault rifle of the gods
And a Remington 700 is the weapon of the gods, the M14 is the assault rifle of the gods
W L Johnson
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Get a rope!
W L Johnson
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By the way, does anyone know what the Soviets thought of the Vz-58 in comparison to the AK-47? I know what I think, and many here, it's better! But I want to know what the Soviets thought.
On 2nd thought maybe that should be a new thread.
On 2nd thought maybe that should be a new thread.
DeepSouth
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How about this, "I'd rather have an AK in a .45 cal than AR in a 9mm."
lefteyedom
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I prefer the Minute Man II ICBM to assult rifle.
kcmarine
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Probably went somewhere along the lines of this:
"Your rifle does not serve party and state, Comrade, but it fires the same ammunition as ours does, so make it anyways. Just don't be deceived by capitalist pigs with Stoner mouse rifle..."
sarduy
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LMFAO,
9mm or .45.... i say both... as long as it's chambered in a AK
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turkeythigh
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that isnt a bad idea. an AK-47 in .45 or .45 colt.
took someones advise a while back and ended up gettin both, my BM ar15 and norinco ak .223, lovem both, took them to the range and did a little comparo just for kicks @ 50 yards with reloads
or how about an izmash pp-19-02 vityaz, i could only imagine if they could bring this in, just make it compliant, and i will pick one up over any 9mm ar15 anyday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wEKm5jFppo
or how about an izmash pp-19-02 vityaz, i could only imagine if they could bring this in, just make it compliant, and i will pick one up over any 9mm ar15 anyday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wEKm5jFppo
WardenWolf
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I'm trying to find a place that carries Korshun rifles. Russian 10/22 equivalent, and probably a lot better gun out of the box. RAAC has them on their website but I've yet to actually find any for sale.
Nice AK there, ifit. Looks like they shoot about the same. I'd like to own an AR to complement my AK, but it's a little outside my price range right now.
Nice AK there, ifit. Looks like they shoot about the same. I'd like to own an AR to complement my AK, but it's a little outside my price range right now.
sarduy
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me too
deALPHAmale
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I like the AK's reliability and price, personally. It also provides a much more "raw" feeling. I'm the kind of guy who, at a substantial distance, is much more likely to reach for the Remington 700 than any AR class rifle anyway, so the range I'd be grabbing the AK for is <100 yds. At that kind of range, I'm more than comfortable with my chances of hitting the target. Plus, as a recent high school graduate in a recessed economy who is broke 90% of the time, the pricing of the AK looks much, much sweeter, and I won't have to spend as much money on upkeep and maintenance.
stubbicatt
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Well, 3 gun is designed by AR people to favor that rifle. Even the computation of power factor is such that the AK's arguable strong suit, the chambering, is discounted.
--But then if you make up the rules, you can see to it that any particular design is likely to win.
stubbicatt
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I guess it depends on the use you have for the rifle, yes? I mean a Ferrari is a fine automobile for driving fast on smooth roads, but if you have an off road adventure in mind, there are probably better choices, don't you think?
Lloyd Smale
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i just ordered an ar in 762x39. still lots of wolf ammo locally and if this ammo thing keeps going the way it is it may be the only ar i can shoot.
W L Johnson
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Alright, as much as I like AR's, one thing I wonder about is how people state the AR is better because it can shoot a better group at such and such ranges. Ok.. better at the range but not necessarily on the battlefield. If you can consistently hit a man size target out to, lets say 200 yards, doesn't that cover the ranges that 95% or so (Someone should have the real % somewhere, I'm guessing here) that most soldier vs soldier combat takes place? Now leave snipers out of this, most soldiers are not snipers, far from it, tho I sure many like to think they are. Please correct me if I'm wrong (thats opening up a can worms here), but I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.
One thing often forgotten in these debates is what the Red Baron (Manfred Albrecht Freiherr von Richthofen) is suppose to have said
One thing often forgotten in these debates is what the Red Baron (Manfred Albrecht Freiherr von Richthofen) is suppose to have said
Or course that was before Snoopy got him.
RobMoore
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Lets also not forget that, in 3 gun, the power factor of most off-the-shelf AK ammo leaves you at the high end of minor, but not quite enough to make major. Some 150g hunting ammo makes it, but wolf leaves you shooting minor with more recoil to deal with than your competition and no advantage to shooting a more powerful cartridge.
chuckusaret
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First time in years someone mentioned the Chauchat. I have always heard it called the CSRG.
Acera
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That makes the assumption that you are using the older 7.62x39, what about the more modern 5.45x39? That way you could get all the features you love in the AK, and have a comparable cartridge to the 5.56? The Russians made the change 35 years ago to it. (and its cheaper)
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