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2 Model 85s, one .22 semi and a .22 mag revolver. All had problems and I lost a good deal of money and months of time dealing with CS. I consider Taurus hit or miss, too bad, if they had it together they could give Smith a run for their money...imo they are inferior tools.
 
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My first gun was a Taurus 83, a very bad one. I bought it solely because it was recommended by several people I trusted the opinion of. Huge mistake. It was almost worthless for shooting, but I guess it was ok for just carrying in a holster. Went back to Taurus twice, both times they somehow missed the totally messed up rifling that caused instant and severe leading. I finally gave up and sold it.

Late last year, I finally got "Taurused" again. A friend bought an 809 and I really liked it, his gun shoots great. Finally, I saw a super deal on line for one, and I bit. It looked good, but when I actually shot it, it was obvious it wasn't like my friend's gun at all. We even swapped slides to see if that helped, it didn't, well not much. So, off it went to Taurus. When it came back, it wasn't any better, so I sold it off for half price to a friend who likes to tinker with "bad" guns. He'll probably have it running fine soon, he usually does.

I think I'm done with Taurus, they go onto the "NOPE, NEVER AGAIN" list with Colt, AMT, and a few more obscure others.
 
My model 66 7 shot 357 was very accurate, but when launching heavies at max, it started to be a little "loose". It was still functional. I traded it off. It wasnt a negative experience, but a GP100 or 686 it aint. (Yes I know its a copy of the Smith 66, but the GP and 686 I can compare it to as I've owned or shot them extensively.)
 
I have had 5 , 2- pt99, 65, 405, and a tracker in 45acp. All have been fine, and I still have 3 of them. The 405 in 40 S&W has absolutely nothing wrong with it, and I have over 500 rounds through it. But I checked it out VERY carefully at the gun show when I bought it. To be fair, I checked out 2 905's in 9mm that were terrible, right out of the box. So I am more lucky and careful than Taurus is good.
That said, My last S&W 637 power port would keyhole, and my 640 pro shot 14" low at 10 yards! I sent it back and they test fired it and said it met spec. Hummmm, guess it would be a "MAN" stopper. And I have a 586 that is wonderful, but the previous owner lock-tighted the ejector rod tight, and the extractor star hangs up the cases on ejection. S&W won't even respond to my e-mails. No better than Taurus. I also have a 629 Mt. gun that is awesome. Total enjoyment (except for factory loads, ouch !).
Customer service appears to be iffy with all the manufactures, which is sad, as you cannot brand shop, but need to check things out in person, before you buy.
 
Taurus has a lifetime warranty that they stand behind as well or better than other manufacturers.

I've a fair number of Taurus pistols and none have broken, but then none have seen multiple thousands of rounds except for my PT-92 and 9mm PT-1911.

As to the lifetime warranty if they make you pay shipping to return it for repair, its gonna cost you ~$60+ to send it back unless you can find a dealer to do it for you for less.

A good warranty has two parts to it: they pay the shipping (its like $10 for them to originate the return shipping as they are exempt from FedEX/UPS next day air shipping policies) and that they actually fix it in a reasonably timely manner.


Kahr appeared to have good customer service sending me a simple replacement part for free, but when the front frame rail on my CW9 broke and they insist I pay return shipping I learned its not much of a warranty :(


Lots of folks here like me with "my Taurus hasn't broken" but what I want to know is if yours broke, did they pay return shipping?


Fact of the matter is "if you've never broken a gun, you just ain't been shooting enough!"

My highest mileage pistols are S&W and RIA, both have taken great care of me with free replacement parts for minor repairs and pre-paid shipping for serious repairs.
 
My experience with Taurus has been positive. Out of four I still have three and the only reason the other was traded was because of grip size, not mechanical problems. I just couldn't get used to the PT92 grip.

I think a lot of the bad press is internet "jump on the band wagon" posts. For example is the constant gripes about Remington Golden Bullet 22 rimfire ammo. I'll take all of it I can get. It has outperformed the universally loved Federal bulk by a wide margin for me. Also some other bulk brands. Another is the almost universal hate on Hi-Point pistols. My cousin's in-law's nephew knows a guy that said "They are junk".
 
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I have a Taurus PT-1911 that I shoot in IDPA and it runs like a champ... of course, most of the internal parts are now courtesy of STI after all the originals failed.
 
Lots of folks here like me with "my Taurus hasn't broken" but what I want to know is if yours broke, did they pay return .

I have a 709 Slim, bought a year ago, & it started having extraction problems after about 3 months and 100 rounds or so.
Taurus paid shipping for a return, which failed to resolve the issue, covered shipping again for a second return, & ultimately replaced the gun. I have over 300 rounds through the replacement pistol and it has performed flawlessly. I am a satisfied customer.
 
In regards to my two Taurus revolvers, so far, so good. But I would add that the best "life-time" warranty is the gun that doesn't need it. Having to pay shipping on a send and/or return basis will largely negate any advantage a "life-time" warranty offers.
 
I have 14 Taurus handguns. NONE of them have had to be returned for warranty work. Several are approaching 25 + years old.

I have returned Sig-Sauer, Colt, HK, and multiple S&W handguns for Warranty work over that same time-frame. ALL of them took a minimum of six weeks for the repair, and I paid the shipping to them. None of the repairs were the usual "it shoots low left", or the "I lost a part when I fields-tripped it", either. Things like a cracked slide on the Sig, after 50 rounds, or a broken cylinder stop (broke on the first shot) on a S&W 625-3. The HK had a barrel that patterned, instead of grouped, and was replaced. The Colt had an oversized rear sight dovetail, and the slide was replaced by Colt. A S&W Model 59 also cracked it's slide in under 100 rounds.

I recently spoke to a local FFL that had an order of 10 S&W J-frames sent to him. ALL 10 of them were out of time from the box. He returned the entire shipment.

Let's not squat and defile one brand, when they ALL appear to be POS, all too often.

I even returned a Wilson Combat when the plunger tube came loose within 200 rounds.
 
I have owned 4 Taurus handguns, 3 revolvers and 1 semi-auto. The revolvers were all great and I still own 2 of them, the PT940 I had went back to the shop several times for repair until I finally sold it. I guess that works out to a 25% lemon rate for me.
 
I have a 709 Slim that I have absolutely nothing but good things to say about. Love it. It has never malfunctioned, even when new and is surprisingly accurate at any reasonable self defense range.

I also picked up a Taurus 82, the 4-inch .38 Special. When the gun is working right, I love it. The single action trigger is as good as any I've ever experienced and it is very accurate.
However, we've had some issues with the cylinder pin getting stuck and not latching, causing the cylinder to freely flop in and out. It is at the smith's shop right now for repairs.

I will say, I bought it used. It was a security company trade in so I don't know how it was treated before I got it. I did put probably 500-600 rounds through it before it happened.
 
Alas the stories you read and hear about with a Taurus quality control is true.

#1 is a M-85 S.S. 38 Special my wife chose over 15 years ago. It has served as her home defense gun being kept loaded but seldom shot. Now that she has a Colt Police Positive Special I have adopted it for c.c. which means it will be getting regular range time, it has good workmanship and no issues.

#2 is a M-941 8 shot 22 Mag. I brought for my wife's birthday in April, 2013. It was such a total piece of junk the factory replaced it with a new one.

#3 is the replacement M-941. It came with a 8 shot test target showing it grouped very well. I was able to match the group shot at the factory with 7 rounds (I blew the 8th round). The gun had a heavy trigger pull so I removed the side plate to discover a 1/2" long metal shaving on the inside of the side plate rubbing against the trigger. The shaving was easy to remove. The gun has a heavy trigger pull probably the nature of the beast which I am going to see if I can lighten with Wolff springs.

The jury is still out on this gun. It is a great concept and very useful on the ranch. All I have been able to find to shoot in it is rifle ammo (1600 - 1800 fps). It sounds very well with CCI Maxi-Max40 gr. TMJ. Fired brass was difficult to eject but the velocity is listed at 1800 fps. It hates Winchester Dyna Point. As I have not been able to find either Hornady or Speer Gold Dot ammo made for short barrel revolvers I can not comment any further. I have Speer Gol Dots on back order and plan to buy a Ruger Single-Six Convertable later this year. After I get both I am going to do a side by side test.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=724589&highlight=941
 
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I worked in a gun store for several years while I was in college. We sold a lot of Taurus firearms and they were very hit or miss. Initially, we have very good luck with them, but in about 1993 we had so many problems we stopped carrying them. Since that time I have seen several Taurus revolvers and semi-autos. Some have been very nice but many more are not. I am glad to see that others seem to have positive experiences with them, maybe things have changed. Based on my experience, I would not buy a Taurus. I simply don't have the time to spend fixing problems. I am no math wizard, but it seems pretty likely that problems will be encountered. I have sold thousands of guns and Taurus is without a doubt the maker that come back broken the most.
 
This is probably very common, only many don't find out what you did. Too many people buy a Taurus .22 auto, cheap-out on the ammo for it, then complain the gun's a POS when it won't run it. The need for powerful ammo in small blowback guns because of the stiff recoil springs isn't confined to Taurus.
Yeah I learned a long time ago to experiment with different ammo types. Luckily for the Taurus, after I tried three types of bulk ammo, I had brought 50 rounds of CCI by mistake. If not for that I'd probably be one of the people declaring the PLY22 a piece of junk.

I had a very similar experience with the Jennings J22. Despite all of the bad press, the little J22 is extremely reliable with CCI Minimags and Stingers.
 
its not so much as "oh taurus makes a low quality product", they have issue guns slip out like everyone else does. the problems are twofold.

people buy a taurus handgun, and subject it to things that it was never made for. Ive ehard about people whove put a taurus mil pro through the youtube glock torture tests, and scream hard that its a bad gun when it cant work after being left in thin mud for half and hour.
Ive heard from people who complained they bought a taurus snubnose in 357 and learned it wasnt intended for the 180grain bear loads they use in their sp101 or gp100.
 
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I have seen a lot of posts recently bashing Taurus as basically a guaranteed POS. Taurus has a lifetime warranty that they stand behind as well or better than other manufacturers. My experience with them has been all pleasant to the point I put them on par with any other company currently in production. What real issues do our members have with Taurus? My 66 shot far better than my gp100 in all aspects. My m44 puts the 629-6 I had to shame. My pt99 is more reliable and more accurate than the beretta which it is a copy of. My 85ch felt funny being DA only, but that's the way it was built, I shouldn't have bought it like that since I didn't like it...not Taurus's fault. Granted they have stiff triggers in some but that's a $40 fix on a gun that is $400 cheaper than its competitors. Is this one of those "my uncles coworkers pet snakes former owners baby mommas new boyfriend had a complaint so we all need to yell about it" kinda thing?

Not saying they are better than others, but to me the bang for the buck sure does lean heavily toward Brazilian guns.
I have eleven Taurus® revolvers.............
• Mdl 85B2CH 38 Special - 1994
• Mdl 669SS4CP 357 Magnum - 1996
• Mdl 85B2 38 Special - 1997
• Mdl 617SS2 357 Magnum - 2003
• Mdl 605SS3 357 Magnum - 2006
• Mdl 85SS2UL 38 Special - 2007
• Mdl 605SS2 357 Magnum - 2010
• Mdl 605SS2 357 Magnum - 2012
• Mdl 425SS2 41 Magnum - 2012
• Mdl 85SS2UL 38 Special - 2012
• Mdl 992B4 22lr/22Mag - 2013

All have performed superbly and I continue to shoot them all almost every week.

I have only encountered two problems.........
• Mdl 85B2CH broke a firing pin after 11,000+ rounds. I replaced the firing pin & it's still going strong.
I have zero complaints with Taurus® customer service. The one time I had to send a gun in they fixed and returned it when they said they would. Specifically.....................
• Mdl 617 developed excessive cylinder to forcing cone gap (.011") after almost 6,000 rounds. I sent it to Taurus® and they replaced the cylinder and adjusted the crane and yoke. I've since put 2,000+ rounds through it and it's still going strong.

I will not hesitate to buy additional Taurus® revolvers.
They are an outstanding value.
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I have no interest in another Taurus.

My PT1911 is what it is, a high feature set low priced 1911. The slide stop isn't fitted correctly and won't catch the slide on the last shot of a magazine. It also needs a new extractor or tuning at the least. The trigger pull is average to sub par for a 1911. Its simply not a pistol that stands out as exceptional. I've spent a bit of time with a friend's 94. Its a rough gun to be kind. The trigger is very gritty, overly heavy, and the ejection feels rough/gritty. Compared to my S&W 34 (which I paid double the 94 for) its a night and day difference.

Taurus is what it is, for better and worse. They are a bottom budget firearm company with CS that has turned around. When I bought my PT1911, return waits were in the 2 month range and odds were it would come back in worse shape than it left. If that side has changed and they are paying for shipping, I'd be a little less hesitant if price is all that matters. I would personally rather pay the price to have the odds of receiving a quality firearm than gamble on the lowest priced option.

I'm sure there are great Taurus firearms out there, many which will out perform specific examples from Ruger and S&W (and whichever semi-auto company you care to pick). That said, I have yet to pick up even to handle a Taurus that feels better built than most other current production handguns. I can't say I've found a new S&W or Ruger revolver that felt built subpar to even the best Taurus Ive handled.

For the people who put 10,000 plus rounds down range in their Taurus, was it worth it to shoot $2500-$5000 worth of ammo through the cheapest gun you could buy, or would the experience have been more enjoyable starting with a different firearm? I know which pistols were the most enjoyable for me, and they weren't from Taurus. If I were to shoot once every few months, didn't have the money or care to spend the money on a firearm, and simply wasn't that into firearms, the Taurus is a good fit. In a high volume situation, I'll take just about anything else.
 
I own two of them, M85UL and PT-92. Both picked up used, the auto thrown in on a trade and the revolver came up at a ridiculously low price. The 92 I've had for over twenty years, and I would trust it as well as any other firearm I own, it's a little large for carry but functionally it has been perfect. Very accurate also, and easy to shoot well. It lives in the console of my truck. The 85 has had 3-400 rds through it, no problems as of yet, I trust it enough to carry occasionally when clothes choices warrant a smaller gun. I would at least consider buying a Taurus.
 
I've written of this before:

I realize some people have had good results from Taurus guns, but I find they make poor door stops and wouldn't use one for anything else.

In the '80s I worked for a security firm. The boss was big on the Beretta 92. Then he got a client from Brasil who demanded we carry Taurus guns. The boss bought 12 Taurus 92's.

Not one would work. Failure to feed, failure to extract, some couldn't hold a four-inch group at 50 feet and some had fliers over a foot off point of aim. Sent 'em all back to Hialeah FL, came back with same problems. Sent back with note that time was urgent. Came back with letter saying they met spec. We tested them and found the same problems. The armorer took the Taurus escutcheons off the grips and cobbled them onto the Berettas and told everyone to keep them out of sight. Customer never noticed.

Then, a Big Name Gun Writer said Taurus had overcome all their quality control issues and were making great guns. I had taught my children to shoot from age 5, buying them their own Ruger 10/22's at age 10 and then letting them shoot any gun I had. They all (3) wanted their own .22 Mag revolvers and the Taurus got these great write-ups and the price was right. I bought 4. We went to an indoor range (winter in 'Sconsin) and started banging away. A few shots into it, middle son, age 12, says he can't see the sight. Hmmm. I check the gun. Rear sight has flung itself to parts unkown. I gave him mine. Less than a dozen rounds later each boy is saying he can't fire double action. I check each gun. The action is so tight even *I* can't turn the cylinder double action. I hit 'em with Action Blaster, relube with CLP, hand 'em back. Two cylinders through each and the problem returns. I tell them to just shoot single-action. After 18 rounds the guns cannot be cocked any more. Range session reverts to ever-reliable Ruger Single Six's.

I sent them back to Florida. Twice. Got that 'They're up to spec' letter. Took them to a local gunsmith once. No help. Over the years I sold them to people who knew about them. I just can't sell them to someone who doesn't. Still have one I can't sell. Kinda like a troll in my safe.

THEN, you'd think I'd learn, I bought a Taurus .44 Special five-shooter from a colleague for lunch money. The trigger was awful. Not possible to hold a group due to extreeem grittiness, creep, required pressure. Wouldn't fire one of every 10 rounds; light primer strikes. Off to Florida. Back with new spring so light one out of five rounds would not fire. Had local gunsmith install spec spring, clipped one coil, worked over action. It's better, still fails to fire one out of eight. Makes a poor doorstop. I have too much $$$ in it. Recently sold it with full disclosure.

In the '80s I was working oversees when a colleague offered me a Taurus 92C with five magazines. I said ---deleted---- He lowered the price to peanuts. I bought. It is one of the best guns I've ever had. Fired first time, every time, accurate, no malfs of any kind. I turned down Beretta Compact prices for it.

With that happy experience I accepted a Taurus 100 .40S&W with trepidation. Shore 'nuff, failures to feed and eject, and wouldn't hold eight inches at 50 feet, fliers further. Sent to Florida. Came back WORSE! Back with a really really really nasty note. Came back with new barrel and some unspecified new innards. It's a beaut. Wouldn't trade it. Won't bet my life on it. Great for training.

A couple years ago a friend bought a Raging Bull with the puny barrel. He said he loved it, kick, blast and all, and that it was accurate and reliable.
To humor him I bought one with the 6” barrel. Beautiful gun. Accurate.
BUT:
First time at the range:

Closing the cylinder still allowed the cylinder to rotate up to 4 chambers clockwise until the bolt slid into a bolt slot in the cylinder and locked it.
The cylinder bolt spring was very weak compared to other Taurus revolvers. We were not able to find a spring that had a bit more power. Either they were too big to fit or exerted too much pressure, preventing the action from working. A slightly stronger one was shortened and fitted. Various ones had to be tried.

The front cylinder lock would not latch on its own; it was so badly fitted it wouldn’t snap into place in the frame detent. It had to be pushed up to lock. Even so, it would unlock when the gun was fired. The cylinder could be opened without unlatching the front latch.
The roll pin holding the latch to the cylinder yoke was mangled and bent. We replaced it.
The top of the tongue that would slide into the frame was roughly filed, probably to make it fit at all. The finish was gone.
The tongue that slid into the detent in the frame had an obvious step machined or worn into its outer face. In attempting to reface the part we found the entire latch is made of soft steel. Just touching a stone to it took a lot of metal off. It will likely be battered by shooting until it causes problems again, and probably soon. Filed down, lubed and then operated a couple dozen times seems to have helped, but only temporarily. The steel is just too soft.
We also fitted a stiffer spring that pushes the front latch up into the frame detent.

The cylinder axel was very roughly hand-filed to fit inside the cylinder, with some of the finish filed off. The end-shake bushing was also very rough and the finish was worn off, and it had to be pushed hard to go onto the cylinder axel. The cylinder had to be coaxed off the axel.

The trigger pin was badly burred and rough. We had to polish it to get the assembly off and on.

Accuracy was fine. We bounced tennis balls out to 75 feet.

So, my suggestion, don't buy a Taurus unless you're paid to take it 'cause you'll need the money to get it fixed or dump it. Used S&W .38s and .357s abound for around $400, and a GP100 can be had for less. Or get that .327 Magnum from Ruger. All work first time every time. I just bought a S&W 586 on Gunbroker for $360, $380 delivered. Can't beat that. Finish shows holster and duty wear, conjuring up lovely images of past lives, and it is a bit loose but accurate.

Or try a Bersa. When I was working security the Bersa was very popular. VERY "El Cheapo," but that meant less pain when they had to be surrendered at borders. They had crappy triggers (something to think about for a anyone who doesn't train to overcome them), felt like junk, concealed well, were light weight, and worked. I give 'em a "buy" rating with note that Wife will want to work at it to be able to use the trigger.
-Backpacker33
 
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What real issues do our members have with Taurus?
I know you opened this thread in the revolver section, but in your post you also reference the semi-auto's, so I will post this picture and tell you the story.

A friend owns a gun shop, and another friend and I were hanging out there one day. A customer came in who a few days before had purchased this NIB Taurus handgun and a box of standard pressure factory ammo. He stated that the first time he took it to the range this happened.

This is not some picture lifted off the internet, I actually held this gun in my hand. My friend took it outside and layed it on a birdbath and photographed it with his cell phone. The gun shop owner sent it back to Taurus, and I'm not sure what happened after that. That was all I needed to see to form my opinion.

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I have owned two tauri in my life, a .38 model 850 and a .357 Tracker. Both we're bought new by me. The 38, after about 100 rounds through it, failed. I called Taurus and sent it in. After about 6 weeks and several calls, it was returned with no explanation. It worked fine thereafter, but I sold it for a Smith 642.

The 357 after the first round fired, failed. Off it went to Taurus. Again, after about 5 or 6 weeks it was returned with a note saying ... You ready for this? "Replaced missing part". WTH? I called them and asked but they would not tell me what. I said the gun was brand spanking new, what could be missing? They wouldn't say.

I still own the Tracker and it's one of the most accurate revolvers I own. Never had a problem since, but still don't know what part they omitted.
 
Taurus comes up with great ideas that occasionally fall short on quality control. However Smith & Wesson are also failing to make the grade as there are regular complaints about the barrels being crooked and finish coming off. Don't forget that S&W's Q C also was poor in the '80's.

mugsie it does sound like Taurus got both of your guns right the first time you sent them back.

I have always wanted a 45 acp Tracker but I figure it will be unlikely I'll ever run across one.
 
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