P95Carry
Moderator Emeritus
Now that guy - methinks - has one serious problem!!
I'd be intrigued to know the ''why''.!
Answering LE's 'questions' at a traffic stop
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I'd be intrigued to know the ''why''.!
TheFederalistWeasel
member
Mile in my shoes people, a mile in my shoes…
Mile in my shoes people, a mile in my shoes…
Guess it wouldn’t matter to the cop haters that I saved a small child from drowning once, broke into an elderly mans home at 3 AM after passing by and seeing his back porch in flames, to pull him out because I knew he was wheel chair bound and lived alone or that I chased down some guy who just beat down a 25 year old female and tried to rape her then took her purse, that could have been your daughter, sister, wife or girl friend…
Guess the only thing you’ll remember me for was the one time I asked you if I could search your car on a lawful traffic stop and you said no, then got pissed at me.
I’ll remember that next time you pull me away from my 3 AM supper, the only meal I’ve had that day to answer your call for service.
Merry Christmas,
From a plain ole beat cop, who works for a living just like you.
Mile in my shoes people, a mile in my shoes…
Guess it wouldn’t matter to the cop haters that I saved a small child from drowning once, broke into an elderly mans home at 3 AM after passing by and seeing his back porch in flames, to pull him out because I knew he was wheel chair bound and lived alone or that I chased down some guy who just beat down a 25 year old female and tried to rape her then took her purse, that could have been your daughter, sister, wife or girl friend…
Guess the only thing you’ll remember me for was the one time I asked you if I could search your car on a lawful traffic stop and you said no, then got pissed at me.
I’ll remember that next time you pull me away from my 3 AM supper, the only meal I’ve had that day to answer your call for service.
Merry Christmas,
From a plain ole beat cop, who works for a living just like you.
P95Carry
Moderator Emeritus
Hey Fed Weasel ....
You DO have friends here ... believe me ...... you are the sorta guy who with that attitude to work has my utmost respect .. and that is NO BS.
Regretably - as ever - a barrel of apples is too often judged by the condition of just the odd one or two that are not so good!! You come over as a ''Peace Officer'' ... not the oft vilified ''JBT LEO''!!
So - for me anyways Sir ... I would pray as hard for your safe return at the end of (a usually thankless) day's work ... as I might for my dear wife getting home safe from her work.
OK? ....... please do not feel too ''got at''!!
Happy holiday to you Sir.
You DO have friends here ... believe me ...... you are the sorta guy who with that attitude to work has my utmost respect .. and that is NO BS.
Regretably - as ever - a barrel of apples is too often judged by the condition of just the odd one or two that are not so good!! You come over as a ''Peace Officer'' ... not the oft vilified ''JBT LEO''!!
So - for me anyways Sir ... I would pray as hard for your safe return at the end of (a usually thankless) day's work ... as I might for my dear wife getting home safe from her work.
OK? ....... please do not feel too ''got at''!!
Happy holiday to you Sir.
TheeBadOne
Member
Some sentiments written down by others
"One Good Cop"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
He’s the one who made the traffic stops and loved to make arrests,
He was a definite five percenter who always strived to do his best.
He attended schools and seminars to be proficient at his trade,
The veteran supervisors only scoffed at the progress that he made.
They labeled him a rookie, a hot dog show-off cop,
His commitment to the oath he swore was one thing they could not stop.
He enforced the laws as written and refused to bow to pressure,
The metal of his integrity was beyond the realm of measure.
The scheduling was often made without his needs in mind,
He worked the midnight shift a solo unit, the usual bump and grind.
The call came from a female who was in extreme distress,
He acknowledged his dispatcher and advised he’d do his best.
When he arrived the door was open and observed signs of a fight,
He entered very cautiously for inside was dark as night.
He saw the female crying, and standing very still,
The frightened sound of children’s cries gave the night it’s chill.
He checked up on his back-up and they were still several minutes out,
His policy said he had to wait but then he heard the woman shout.
He jumped inside just in time trying to intervene,
He saved her life, an unknown face, but the knife was never seen.
He chased the drunken husband out onto the drive,
One good cop dropped bleeding, struggling to survive.
The dispatcher gave him check-ups, each one he did acknowledge,
He thought of home, his wife, his kids,would he see them complete college?
Though his wound was deep, his thoughts were clear as sweat dropped from his brow,
The ones that called him “show offâ€, what would they call him now?
His breathing became labored and he prayed it didn’t stop,
With his last breath he did exclaim, “Remember me, one good cop.â€
Author William J. Barna
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"A Cop on the Take"
He takes it in stride when people call him pig.
He takes time to stop and talk to children.
He takes your verbal abuse while giving you a ticket you really deserve.
He takes on creeps you would be afraid to even look at.
He takes time away from his family to keep you safe.
He takes your injured children to the hospital.
He takes the graveyard shift without complaint because it's his turn.
He takes his life into his hands daily.
He takes you home when your car breaks down.
He takes time to explain why both you headlights have to work.
He takes the job no one else wants - telling you a loved one has died.
He takes criminals to jail.
He takes in sights that would make you cry.
Sometimes he cries too, but He takes it anyway because someone has to.
If he is lucky, He takes retirement.
He takes memories to bed each night that you couldn't bear for even one day.
Sometimes, He Takes a bullet.
And, yes, occasionally he may take a free cup of coffee.
Then on day he pays for all he has taken,
and God takes him.
by
Wayne A. Linney
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Just A Cop "
Did you know a Police Officer died last night?
Just another cop who gave his life
Another story to fill the news
Another funeral with a sea of blue.
We know that he did not want to leave
Now his brothers, sisters, and family grieve
They'll lay to rest their brother with tears
A pain that will last for the rest of their years.
And others will come to honor this cop
Who in spite of the risks, would never stop
"To Serve and Protect" were just not words written as art
It was part of his soul, his body, his heart.
The real pain that's felt by those left behind
Comes from the fact many people don't mind
That this hero was killed fighting for us
"he's just a cop, it's his job, why all the fuss?".
He was there when you needed, there when you called
Never asked you for praise or to thank him at all
So he's just a cop, risking his life
Catches a bullet or gets struck with a knife.
To those who say that it's just a cop's life
Did you ever stop to think, did he have a wife?
Or maybe a boy and a little girl too
Waiting for dad who promised a trip to the zoo.
They watched out the door, with smiles and cheer
Waiting for daddy who soon would be there
But instead of his smile, come three somber cops
As they walk towards the house time suddenly stops.
He won't be coming home to them anymore
Still they stand and stare out the front door
Saying my dad was a cop...but why did he have to die?
He was kind, he was funny, just a really nice guy.
No it wasn't just a cop who was killed last night
A part of us all died when they shut down his light
When it happens again, we all know that it will
Take a second to think, for a moment be still.
If not for that cop, where would we be
Afraid of our shadow, not one of us free
Was the guy who just died special or not?
Yeah he sure was,...Just a Husband, a Father, a Hero, a Cop.
by
Marc Turner
"One Good Cop"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
He’s the one who made the traffic stops and loved to make arrests,
He was a definite five percenter who always strived to do his best.
He attended schools and seminars to be proficient at his trade,
The veteran supervisors only scoffed at the progress that he made.
They labeled him a rookie, a hot dog show-off cop,
His commitment to the oath he swore was one thing they could not stop.
He enforced the laws as written and refused to bow to pressure,
The metal of his integrity was beyond the realm of measure.
The scheduling was often made without his needs in mind,
He worked the midnight shift a solo unit, the usual bump and grind.
The call came from a female who was in extreme distress,
He acknowledged his dispatcher and advised he’d do his best.
When he arrived the door was open and observed signs of a fight,
He entered very cautiously for inside was dark as night.
He saw the female crying, and standing very still,
The frightened sound of children’s cries gave the night it’s chill.
He checked up on his back-up and they were still several minutes out,
His policy said he had to wait but then he heard the woman shout.
He jumped inside just in time trying to intervene,
He saved her life, an unknown face, but the knife was never seen.
He chased the drunken husband out onto the drive,
One good cop dropped bleeding, struggling to survive.
The dispatcher gave him check-ups, each one he did acknowledge,
He thought of home, his wife, his kids,would he see them complete college?
Though his wound was deep, his thoughts were clear as sweat dropped from his brow,
The ones that called him “show offâ€, what would they call him now?
His breathing became labored and he prayed it didn’t stop,
With his last breath he did exclaim, “Remember me, one good cop.â€
Author William J. Barna
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"A Cop on the Take"
He takes it in stride when people call him pig.
He takes time to stop and talk to children.
He takes your verbal abuse while giving you a ticket you really deserve.
He takes on creeps you would be afraid to even look at.
He takes time away from his family to keep you safe.
He takes your injured children to the hospital.
He takes the graveyard shift without complaint because it's his turn.
He takes his life into his hands daily.
He takes you home when your car breaks down.
He takes time to explain why both you headlights have to work.
He takes the job no one else wants - telling you a loved one has died.
He takes criminals to jail.
He takes in sights that would make you cry.
Sometimes he cries too, but He takes it anyway because someone has to.
If he is lucky, He takes retirement.
He takes memories to bed each night that you couldn't bear for even one day.
Sometimes, He Takes a bullet.
And, yes, occasionally he may take a free cup of coffee.
Then on day he pays for all he has taken,
and God takes him.
by
Wayne A. Linney
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Just A Cop "
Did you know a Police Officer died last night?
Just another cop who gave his life
Another story to fill the news
Another funeral with a sea of blue.
We know that he did not want to leave
Now his brothers, sisters, and family grieve
They'll lay to rest their brother with tears
A pain that will last for the rest of their years.
And others will come to honor this cop
Who in spite of the risks, would never stop
"To Serve and Protect" were just not words written as art
It was part of his soul, his body, his heart.
The real pain that's felt by those left behind
Comes from the fact many people don't mind
That this hero was killed fighting for us
"he's just a cop, it's his job, why all the fuss?".
He was there when you needed, there when you called
Never asked you for praise or to thank him at all
So he's just a cop, risking his life
Catches a bullet or gets struck with a knife.
To those who say that it's just a cop's life
Did you ever stop to think, did he have a wife?
Or maybe a boy and a little girl too
Waiting for dad who promised a trip to the zoo.
They watched out the door, with smiles and cheer
Waiting for daddy who soon would be there
But instead of his smile, come three somber cops
As they walk towards the house time suddenly stops.
He won't be coming home to them anymore
Still they stand and stare out the front door
Saying my dad was a cop...but why did he have to die?
He was kind, he was funny, just a really nice guy.
No it wasn't just a cop who was killed last night
A part of us all died when they shut down his light
When it happens again, we all know that it will
Take a second to think, for a moment be still.
If not for that cop, where would we be
Afraid of our shadow, not one of us free
Was the guy who just died special or not?
Yeah he sure was,...Just a Husband, a Father, a Hero, a Cop.
by
Marc Turner
artherd
member
TheFederalistWeasel- you and those like you in Law Enforcement (and I know several) have earned my uptmost respect and admiration. You literally put your life between the scum of the earth, and us good citizens, on a daily basis. That fact is not lost on me.
With that said, and with all due respect, no, it does not permit you to interogate me withought probable cause ( and I don't think that's what you were saying at all.) I would like a middle ground between feeling like I'm in a German prision, and saying "???? You" to a person represenging something I fundamentally respect.
Most of the LE guys I know (actually, all that I know personally...) are really after drunks, gang members, scum, rapists, etc when they make a traffic stop. I also know it can be difficult to tell who's who while you're walking up to the car.
Have a great holiday, and all the best to you and yours!
PS: I too do the 'keys on windshield, hands on window sill' as a matter of courteousy.
With that said, and with all due respect, no, it does not permit you to interogate me withought probable cause ( and I don't think that's what you were saying at all.) I would like a middle ground between feeling like I'm in a German prision, and saying "???? You" to a person represenging something I fundamentally respect.
Most of the LE guys I know (actually, all that I know personally...) are really after drunks, gang members, scum, rapists, etc when they make a traffic stop. I also know it can be difficult to tell who's who while you're walking up to the car.
Have a great holiday, and all the best to you and yours!
PS: I too do the 'keys on windshield, hands on window sill' as a matter of courteousy.
twoblink
Member
There's a stretch of highway in the PRK that is supposedly illegal to pull over and sleep..
So I'm driving from LA to SF for a 7am meeting, I pull over at 4am for a nap..
Officer (with flashlight in face, and gun in hand) :Whatcha doing?
Me: Sleeping..
Officer: You know it's illegal to sleep on the side of the road?
Me: Let's see, I was swearving left and right, I couldn't see the road as I was falling asleep behind the wheel, so.. I was thinking, do I want to pull over and sleep, or kill some pregnant woman and her family.. and I chose the former, legality aside.
Officer: Well, it's still illegal.
Me: What would you have me do then? The next rest stop is 20 miles, I didn't think I could make it there without killing anybody on the way. Would you like to see me sleep on the side, or clean up dead bodies at 4am?
Officer: Good point.
Me: Thanks.
Officer: Sleep tight..
But the "trick" question is "May I search your car?" Because if they ask, and you give permission, you have screwed yourself over. They don't need a search warrant now, you allowed the search.
Smile, and ask "Am I under law to answer that?" If they say no, then say "Since I'm not obligated to answer that, hen I won't answer that and we'll move right along to the next question.." and lather, rince, repeat.
Some officers are cool, some are not. Almost all the LEO's in TX I've met are cool, some of the LA ones tend to be jackasses, but not all. When I lived in Pasadena, the locals knew me (it's what happens when you live at the gun store all the time) and so once I got pulled over, and one of the officers said "Hey! How's that Steyr shootin'?? it looks sweet!" and we chatted gun stuff, and I left, and no ticket. It pays to know your LEO's..
So I'm driving from LA to SF for a 7am meeting, I pull over at 4am for a nap..
Officer (with flashlight in face, and gun in hand) :Whatcha doing?
Me: Sleeping..
Officer: You know it's illegal to sleep on the side of the road?
Me: Let's see, I was swearving left and right, I couldn't see the road as I was falling asleep behind the wheel, so.. I was thinking, do I want to pull over and sleep, or kill some pregnant woman and her family.. and I chose the former, legality aside.
Officer: Well, it's still illegal.
Me: What would you have me do then? The next rest stop is 20 miles, I didn't think I could make it there without killing anybody on the way. Would you like to see me sleep on the side, or clean up dead bodies at 4am?
Officer: Good point.
Me: Thanks.
Officer: Sleep tight..
But the "trick" question is "May I search your car?" Because if they ask, and you give permission, you have screwed yourself over. They don't need a search warrant now, you allowed the search.
Smile, and ask "Am I under law to answer that?" If they say no, then say "Since I'm not obligated to answer that, hen I won't answer that and we'll move right along to the next question.." and lather, rince, repeat.
Some officers are cool, some are not. Almost all the LEO's in TX I've met are cool, some of the LA ones tend to be jackasses, but not all. When I lived in Pasadena, the locals knew me (it's what happens when you live at the gun store all the time) and so once I got pulled over, and one of the officers said "Hey! How's that Steyr shootin'?? it looks sweet!" and we chatted gun stuff, and I left, and no ticket. It pays to know your LEO's..
clubsoda22
member
I'd never get pissed at a traffic cop for asking if they could take a look in my trunk. A polite, "no, that won't be neccecary officer" will do just fine It take's a real idiot to yell "I've got rights!" and shove a constitution in the cops face. He's just going by the book. On the other hand, if the cop gives you the "well, if you have nothing to hide...." line, i can understand getting a bit tweaked, but i find that the first polite "no thanks" works just fine.
I find the best way to get out of the ticket is simply to tell the officer flat out "sorry, i know i was going too fast" or "yeah, i did miss that stop sign". You usually just get off with a "well slow it down and have a nice day" or a "pay a bit more attention next time." Although i subconciously distrust cops due to personal experiance (doesnt mean i "hate them" weasel), i don't dislike them unless they proove themselves to be jerks. If i'm being a nice guy and the cop is being a jerk or i get pulled over for BS (confirmed BS that is, like the aforementioned situation) i'll leave a bit bitter, but be polite none the less. Perhaps if i had more nice encounters in my current neighborhood i'd be a bit more trusting off the bat as oppose to having to have trust earned. I wouldn't be suspicious and questioning of athority if i was never given a reason to be.
I find the best way to get out of the ticket is simply to tell the officer flat out "sorry, i know i was going too fast" or "yeah, i did miss that stop sign". You usually just get off with a "well slow it down and have a nice day" or a "pay a bit more attention next time." Although i subconciously distrust cops due to personal experiance (doesnt mean i "hate them" weasel), i don't dislike them unless they proove themselves to be jerks. If i'm being a nice guy and the cop is being a jerk or i get pulled over for BS (confirmed BS that is, like the aforementioned situation) i'll leave a bit bitter, but be polite none the less. Perhaps if i had more nice encounters in my current neighborhood i'd be a bit more trusting off the bat as oppose to having to have trust earned. I wouldn't be suspicious and questioning of athority if i was never given a reason to be.
Joe Demko
Member
Several years ago, I was driving between Laredo, TX and Sonora, TX in the wee hours of the AM. We are talking endless miles of two-lane blacktop with hours between towns. I was driving a Ford Ranger with a cap on the back. This experience and several subsequent ones indicated that I might as well just have had a neon sign flashing "Stop me!" as well.
In the middle of nowhere, I see flashing lights in my rear-view. I stop and pull over. Several gentlemen identifying themselves as deputy sheriffs loudly demanded to know what I had in the back of the truck.
"Nothing," I replied "Could you please stop shining that light in my eyes?"
With no further ado, the gentlemen pulled me from my vehicle, slammed me against it, and kicked me into "the position" for a search. All this was accompanied by much loud cursing.
Right about then, I realized that these deputies could do pretty much what they wanted to me, and there would be no witnesses nor even an inquiry. I clammed up and didn't say another word.
They searched me and my vehicle both. They didn't find anything because I didn't have anything. In those days, there was no ccw in Texas, so I didn't have a gun. Just so that I wouldn't feel like they had wasted my time, they wrote me a ticket for going 61 in a 55 zone. $35 fine, no points, payable by mail.
For those who never lived along the border, the type of vehicle that I was driving made me automatically a suspicious character, because capped pickups were/are commonly used to smuggle drugs or illegals in the region. Every time I ever had to pass through the checkpoint on my way up to San Antonio, I was guaranteed a little extra attention.
In the middle of nowhere, I see flashing lights in my rear-view. I stop and pull over. Several gentlemen identifying themselves as deputy sheriffs loudly demanded to know what I had in the back of the truck.
"Nothing," I replied "Could you please stop shining that light in my eyes?"
With no further ado, the gentlemen pulled me from my vehicle, slammed me against it, and kicked me into "the position" for a search. All this was accompanied by much loud cursing.
Right about then, I realized that these deputies could do pretty much what they wanted to me, and there would be no witnesses nor even an inquiry. I clammed up and didn't say another word.
They searched me and my vehicle both. They didn't find anything because I didn't have anything. In those days, there was no ccw in Texas, so I didn't have a gun. Just so that I wouldn't feel like they had wasted my time, they wrote me a ticket for going 61 in a 55 zone. $35 fine, no points, payable by mail.
For those who never lived along the border, the type of vehicle that I was driving made me automatically a suspicious character, because capped pickups were/are commonly used to smuggle drugs or illegals in the region. Every time I ever had to pass through the checkpoint on my way up to San Antonio, I was guaranteed a little extra attention.
El Tejon
Member
Memo to self: do not rent pick-up in Tejas!
spartacus2002
Member
Good for them if they are former military, so long as they remember they are FORMER military. Now they are part of the community and are there to serve and protect. I'm glad you realize the distinction, and I'm sure you are a good police officer. However, I have met a few that didn't understand that they were NOT soldiers/Marines anymore and that America is not Tikrit. In addition, I have met a few police officers who were soldier wannabes but never joined the military, and thought being a police officer was the next best thing.
So when we're talking about people authorized to carry a gun on their hip and arrest me and use force against me, yes I am concerned about whether or not they understand that force is the LAST option, not the first. And is it my fault that I and others take a high-and-tight buzzcut as an indicator?
And as long as I see non-SWAT LEOs wearing black BDUs and combat boots as their daily uniform, I will continue to wonder if those LEOs understand the distinction you just made.
I have nothing against the individual policeman' I am no cop-hater. THey've got a tough job. However, I do have a problem with policies that encourage an us-vs-them attitude.
TheeBadOne
Member
Just like those evil looking black rifles and assault weapons, eh?
MrPink
Member
At a traffic stop I:
1) Turn on dome light
2) Unroll window
3) Hands on wheel
Only when asked do I retrieve license and registration. I figure its best to NOT be fishing around for them as the cop approaches. When I go for them, I tell the officer where I am reaching and for what.
Never consent to a search.
1) Turn on dome light
2) Unroll window
3) Hands on wheel
Only when asked do I retrieve license and registration. I figure its best to NOT be fishing around for them as the cop approaches. When I go for them, I tell the officer where I am reaching and for what.
Never consent to a search.
You can be polite and respectful without crawling. It's A Good Thing. Any cop that stops me is going to be assumed to be A Good Guy until he proves otherwise. If he does, I'll take it up through channels, not by the side of the road.
'Course, if you obey the laws as a regular thing you won't have as many occasions to chat with uniformed folks by the side of the road. If you don't choose to do that, blame yourself, not the cops.
I've had, I think, two cops that got a little out of line. One ticket I deserved - I was just a bit ticked that he chose to ticket a motorcycle driver who was a bit over the speed limit rather than an idiot that crossed the gore point and almost hit me. He could NOT have missed it - he said he was clocking me at the point where that happened. And who was causing more danger to others?
One obviously didn't pay attention in pre-algebra, 'cause he thought that the fact he had to hit 110mph to catch me (I passed him as he was stopped) meant that I must have been doing at least 100 when I passed him. <sigh> But there wasn't time and he wasn't in a receptive mood.
My obviously laboring wife got me off with a warning.
(I was only doing ~70 in a 55, at 1 AM on an empty road.)
'Course, if you obey the laws as a regular thing you won't have as many occasions to chat with uniformed folks by the side of the road. If you don't choose to do that, blame yourself, not the cops.
I've had, I think, two cops that got a little out of line. One ticket I deserved - I was just a bit ticked that he chose to ticket a motorcycle driver who was a bit over the speed limit rather than an idiot that crossed the gore point and almost hit me. He could NOT have missed it - he said he was clocking me at the point where that happened. And who was causing more danger to others?
One obviously didn't pay attention in pre-algebra, 'cause he thought that the fact he had to hit 110mph to catch me (I passed him as he was stopped) meant that I must have been doing at least 100 when I passed him. <sigh> But there wasn't time and he wasn't in a receptive mood.
My obviously laboring wife got me off with a warning.
(I was only doing ~70 in a 55, at 1 AM on an empty road.)
justashooter
member
My mother told me when I was little (7? 8?) that one of the very hardest things for smart people to do was to successfully "fit in" and interact with society. It made no sense to me for a long time.
Now I know exactly what she was talking about.
Has anyone else had anything even REMOTELY like this happen?
What're YOUR opinions of all this. I'd love to hear 'em
it is a shame that we have to endure the company of those who cannot understand anything beyond their own experience. patience in situations like this is what is called for. learning to accept other people's limitations and treat them accordingly is a task for us to take upon ourselves with humility.
you are up to the challenge. of he to whom much is given, much is expected.
Now I know exactly what she was talking about.
Has anyone else had anything even REMOTELY like this happen?
What're YOUR opinions of all this. I'd love to hear 'em
it is a shame that we have to endure the company of those who cannot understand anything beyond their own experience. patience in situations like this is what is called for. learning to accept other people's limitations and treat them accordingly is a task for us to take upon ourselves with humility.
you are up to the challenge. of he to whom much is given, much is expected.
brownie0486
Member
Ooohhh, OOOhhhhh, score one for the gipper, er, I mean TBO.
Could not have said it better if I had thought about it for an hour.
Brownie
Could not have said it better if I had thought about it for an hour.
Brownie
Bobarino
member
Federalist Weasel,
please understand i have no disent towards you personally. the fact is though, that i have never once been treated with anything resembling respect or courtesy from a law enforcement official durring a traffic stop. Washington State Patrol has been the worst. i have never even been called by name durring a traffic stop even after handing the officer my ID. i have however, been called kid, son, sport, young punk, damned kid, p--s-ant, and some other choice ones not fit to type here. i tried being polite, being quiet, being cordial, confessing, denying, and being a mute. i get a ticket and an attitude no matter what i do, so i figure, to heck with it, i'll just be rude back. i've gotten a ticket for "improper braking" for stopping quickly at a yellow light with a cop behind me. he nearly rear-ended me because he wasn't paying attention, slammed on his brakes, and i got the ticket. i've been cited for negligent driving, which is a criminal offense here, not just a traffic ticket, becuase, and i quote,"i heard you getting off at that freeway exit and you must have been doing at least 90 mph." the cop was standing in a parking lot just off the exit with no view of the exit. i pulled into a gas station next to the resturant and he turn on his lights and moved his car the 30 feet behind mine. i explainded to him that downshifting a stickshift car makes the engine rev. he wrote me a criminal citation for something he didn't even see, only "heard". that cost me $750 for the lawyer, but i'll be damned if i will let a cop get away with that sort thing.
those are just a couple examples. i have lots more.
i fully understand that police are out there bustin' their behinds to protect and serve the public. i have much repesct for those who do. i have zero respect for th guy that wrote me a ticket for violating a law that he had never even read. i took that to court, got it dropped and the same cop pulled me over for the same thing, in the same place and tried to give me a ticket again. i had printed out the law and kept it in my glove box, and handed it to him along with my dismissal papers from court, license, reg and ins. he read it, admitted he had never read it before, called me a smart--s, and left. no appology for wasting my time or money, only an insult.
unfortunately, i have never had a good experience with a cop. thus my distaste for police.
to Steve in PA,
i have respect for you too. if your tickets stand up in court then you probably wrote a ticket that was justifed. the reason mine get dropped is becuase most of them are bogus. inflated speeds, oddball "laws" that don't exist etc. thats why i take them to court. and quite frankly, i would rather give my $200 to an entrepreneurial lawyer than the state for a bogus ticket anyday. not to mention the extra insurace costs that i save by fighting my tickets.
Bobby
please understand i have no disent towards you personally. the fact is though, that i have never once been treated with anything resembling respect or courtesy from a law enforcement official durring a traffic stop. Washington State Patrol has been the worst. i have never even been called by name durring a traffic stop even after handing the officer my ID. i have however, been called kid, son, sport, young punk, damned kid, p--s-ant, and some other choice ones not fit to type here. i tried being polite, being quiet, being cordial, confessing, denying, and being a mute. i get a ticket and an attitude no matter what i do, so i figure, to heck with it, i'll just be rude back. i've gotten a ticket for "improper braking" for stopping quickly at a yellow light with a cop behind me. he nearly rear-ended me because he wasn't paying attention, slammed on his brakes, and i got the ticket. i've been cited for negligent driving, which is a criminal offense here, not just a traffic ticket, becuase, and i quote,"i heard you getting off at that freeway exit and you must have been doing at least 90 mph." the cop was standing in a parking lot just off the exit with no view of the exit. i pulled into a gas station next to the resturant and he turn on his lights and moved his car the 30 feet behind mine. i explainded to him that downshifting a stickshift car makes the engine rev. he wrote me a criminal citation for something he didn't even see, only "heard". that cost me $750 for the lawyer, but i'll be damned if i will let a cop get away with that sort thing.
those are just a couple examples. i have lots more.
i fully understand that police are out there bustin' their behinds to protect and serve the public. i have much repesct for those who do. i have zero respect for th guy that wrote me a ticket for violating a law that he had never even read. i took that to court, got it dropped and the same cop pulled me over for the same thing, in the same place and tried to give me a ticket again. i had printed out the law and kept it in my glove box, and handed it to him along with my dismissal papers from court, license, reg and ins. he read it, admitted he had never read it before, called me a smart--s, and left. no appology for wasting my time or money, only an insult.
unfortunately, i have never had a good experience with a cop. thus my distaste for police.
to Steve in PA,
i have respect for you too. if your tickets stand up in court then you probably wrote a ticket that was justifed. the reason mine get dropped is becuase most of them are bogus. inflated speeds, oddball "laws" that don't exist etc. thats why i take them to court. and quite frankly, i would rather give my $200 to an entrepreneurial lawyer than the state for a bogus ticket anyday. not to mention the extra insurace costs that i save by fighting my tickets.
Bobby
TheeBadOne
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http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55764
Now these guys didn't answer the Troopers questions. I'll bet it went something like this...
Trooper: "Howdy, you fella's have some car trouble"?
Citizens with car trouble: "BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM!"
Trooper: >sound of body slapping pavement, last breath ozzing out through multiple gunshot holes in his body<
Now these guys didn't answer the Troopers questions. I'll bet it went something like this...
Trooper: "Howdy, you fella's have some car trouble"?
Citizens with car trouble: "BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM!"
Trooper: >sound of body slapping pavement, last breath ozzing out through multiple gunshot holes in his body<
AmericanFreeBird
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1. Where are you going?
2. What are you doing?
3. Can I search your car?
Answer:
1. Sorry but that's none of your business officer.
2. Sitting here and talking with you officer.
3. No.
What's so hard about that? Any police officer is going to give you grief for those answers but in the end he can't legally touch you without probable cause and/or a warrant. No need to editorialize or reiterate the answers either.
2. What are you doing?
3. Can I search your car?
Answer:
1. Sorry but that's none of your business officer.
2. Sitting here and talking with you officer.
3. No.
What's so hard about that? Any police officer is going to give you grief for those answers but in the end he can't legally touch you without probable cause and/or a warrant. No need to editorialize or reiterate the answers either.
clubsoda22
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The uniforms that on township by me wears in winter include nearly knee high leather boots and a black leather belt that crosses their chest. It looks exactly like gestapo uniforms. Knowing those guys, they intended it that way.
Ol' Badger
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I yelled out once while I was pulled of " Soyent Green is made from people!" The officer just looked at me with a blank stare when he handed me my ticket.
I was almost going to say <Take you hands off me you damn dirty ape!> But that might have made him mad.
I was almost going to say <Take you hands off me you damn dirty ape!> But that might have made him mad.
TBO,Just like those evil looking black rifles and assault weapons, eh?
Not quite the same.
People initially judge others by their appearance. That's why your department probably requires you to wear reasonably clean and well-kept uniforms, and perhaps has regulations on acceptable haircuts and headwear. That's also why you wear uniforms instead of flannel and bluejeans.
As a police officer, do you ever make snap decisions about people based on their external appearance? Will a gentleman with a Rolex, a designer suit and well trimmed hair get the same treatment, same attitude, same questions from you (again, in your official capacity as a police officer) as someone dressed as a "banger" with baggy clothing, a scruffy beard and long dreadlocks? Is there any validity to this form of prejudice?
There is a difference between looking at the way someone displays themself and deciding how to deal with them and banning or condemning something based on cosmetic features. It is wrong to use the force of law to prohibit "assault weapons" just as it would be wrong to use the force of law to prohibit "assault haircuts", but it is not inherently wrong for someone to distrust "assault weapons" because such weapons are scary to them, or to distrust police who appear to not have gotten their DD 257 yet. Either judgement may or may not be accurate depending on the specifics.
I don't care what style hair my local cop likes as long as it doesn't affect the way he does his job, but I know that I do tend to judge people at first by the way they present themselves. This might be shallow and stupid, but sometimes that is all I have to go on. Inaccurate as it may be, I think I'd tend to be more "on guard" around an officer that projected themself as a military figure (be it through uniform or mannerism) than I would someone who did not make that attempt. This is not because I disrespect the military, but because I do not believe that military tactics or manner have a place in domestic policing. The context is wrong.
WvaBill
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I posted this before, but several years ago in WV. I came to a yield sign and saw a big line of cars led by a vehicle w/ MD plates. Cruiser in the line. Not wanting to be behind slow vehicles I drove through the Yield sign. Saw the Cruiser pull out of line and was off the road and stopped before the Blues came on. Big ole Deputy with very dark glasses(at least no "mirrors").
Deputy: License, Reg, Ins, please.
Me: Yessir.
D:Why didn't you stop back there?
M: There was no stop sign.
D: Didn't you see the cars?
M: Yessir, they weren't in the intersection.
D: (Changing subject)Why is the address different on DL and DMV registration.
M: Just moved. Bank has title with old address. Can't change registration w/o title change(License address about 4 hours away, registration address about 45 minutes, both WV).
D: (Pondering) Do you come through here often(little bells: Will citizen challenge "failure to yield?")
M: (With sincerity) Only two or three times a month.
D: Well, you be careful.(Handing back papers; having never taken off glasses)
M: Yessir. Thank you.
I cannot remember if he ran the license/registraion.
To this day I believe had I told him "I don't get by this way often," I would have made a special trip or two or more to challenge a "failure to yield" or "improper registration" summons.
Deputy: License, Reg, Ins, please.
Me: Yessir.
D:Why didn't you stop back there?
M: There was no stop sign.
D: Didn't you see the cars?
M: Yessir, they weren't in the intersection.
D: (Changing subject)Why is the address different on DL and DMV registration.
M: Just moved. Bank has title with old address. Can't change registration w/o title change(License address about 4 hours away, registration address about 45 minutes, both WV).
D: (Pondering) Do you come through here often(little bells: Will citizen challenge "failure to yield?")
M: (With sincerity) Only two or three times a month.
D: Well, you be careful.(Handing back papers; having never taken off glasses)
M: Yessir. Thank you.
I cannot remember if he ran the license/registraion.
To this day I believe had I told him "I don't get by this way often," I would have made a special trip or two or more to challenge a "failure to yield" or "improper registration" summons.
Blackcloud6
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A long time ago when I was 16, my two friends and I were going to see Star Wars. One of my Freind's mom (divorced, 30ish and nice looking) asked if we could drop her off at a party near the theater we were going. of course we would. I just happened to be sitting in the back with her when we noticed a Toledo PD cruiser behind us. Being the joker I normalley was (am?) I put my arm around her. She was dressed fine too, with a flower in her hair. So here is a big old Galaxy 500 with three obvious teen males with a sexily dressed 30 something woman, driving down the road, having a good old time after just driving through Downtown Toledo (if you knew downtown Toledo in the 70's then you know what you could buy there).
So on go the lights, we pull over and the two cops come up, one on each side of the car.
The young one at the driver's door asks our ages: 16, 16, 15, 35... And fo IDs, but then the mom asks why we were pulled over and and told him that she is the 15 year old's mom and the cop turns red, stammers and starts to apologize while his partner is cracking up big time on the other side of the car as he figures out what happened.
We laughed all the way to the movie theater.
Best traffic stop I ever had....
So on go the lights, we pull over and the two cops come up, one on each side of the car.
The young one at the driver's door asks our ages: 16, 16, 15, 35... And fo IDs, but then the mom asks why we were pulled over and and told him that she is the 15 year old's mom and the cop turns red, stammers and starts to apologize while his partner is cracking up big time on the other side of the car as he figures out what happened.
We laughed all the way to the movie theater.
Best traffic stop I ever had....
TheeBadOne
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...in a galaxy far, far away...
I ran a cop off the road once...
I failed to yield and almost killed the guy. I was with my family on a vacation an Astoria. He pulled me over (of course) and gave me a serious ??? chewing. I was very apologetic and sincere. He asked me "Enough said?" I said "Yes sir" even though I had 15 years on him. He walked back to his patol car and drove away. It took me a second to realize I was not getting a ticket. As I was driving away I got mad because he chewed me out in front of my kids. Then I realized I had probably scared the hell out of him and he actually showed a lot of restraint and decorum under the circumstances. He gave me a break where I had nothing coming.
I failed to yield and almost killed the guy. I was with my family on a vacation an Astoria. He pulled me over (of course) and gave me a serious ??? chewing. I was very apologetic and sincere. He asked me "Enough said?" I said "Yes sir" even though I had 15 years on him. He walked back to his patol car and drove away. It took me a second to realize I was not getting a ticket. As I was driving away I got mad because he chewed me out in front of my kids. Then I realized I had probably scared the hell out of him and he actually showed a lot of restraint and decorum under the circumstances. He gave me a break where I had nothing coming.
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