Anti-Hunting column in a Madison, Wisconsin, paper

Status
Not open for further replies.

hillbilly

Member
Joined
Jul 10, 2003
Messages
3,165
Location
Iowa
http://www.madison.com/tct/opinion/column/index.php?ntid=73089&ntpid=0



Joel McNally: Let 8-year-olds lug their booster seats to the hunt
By Joel McNally
It would never occur to me on his birthday to say, 'Nicky, now that you're 8, we should go out into the woods with guns and find some real animals and blow them away.'Even for the gun-addled, NRA-groveling politicians in Madison, the proposed legislation to arm 8-year-old children with high-powered, deadly weapons is so absurd it takes your breath away.

The idiocy is compounded by the fact that these beginning hunters would not have to take any training. Currently, beginning hunters, who must be at least 12 years old under state law, are required to pass a hunter safety course. But the proposed law to lower the hunting age in Wisconsin from 12 to 8, which already has passed the Republican-led Assembly, would not require any gun safety training at all for 8-year-olds tottering through the woods with lethal weapons almost as big as they are.

"Let's get them out there and see if they're interested," says state Rep. Scott Gunderson, R-Waterford, the bill's sponsor. "If they are, they can go through hunter's safety when they turn 12." If they live to be 12, that is.

It hasn't been lost on the critics of this gun-crazed legislation that the state recently passed a law requiring 8-year-olds to ride in booster seats in automobiles for their safety. Now, perhaps these children could take their booster seats into the woods with them to prop up those big, heavy rifles so their little arms don't get so tired waiting to get a really good shot off.


AP Photo/Oshkosh Northwestern, Laura May
Bryon Klabunde of Hancock,Wis. brings the maturity of adulthood to hunting.
Do these legislators know any 8-year-olds? I do. My grandson is about to turn 8. He's a terrific kid, but I have never once considered buying him a deadly weapon for his birthday next month.

Like a lot of kids his age, Nicky really likes animals. But the stuffed animals he prefers are still plush and soft. He's not really into severed heads on walls with lifeless glass marbles glued into their eye sockets.

He's always liked for me to read him Dr. Seuss books with all those bizarre, animal-like creatures reciting nonsense-sounding verses that are really incredibly wise. In school, he's into science and learning real facts about real animals.

It would never occur to me on his birthday to say, "Nicky, now that you're 8, we should go out into the woods with guns and find some real animals and blow them away." I guess we're just not raising him right.

Believe it or not, there actually is some good news in this legislation for all the reasonable people of Wisconsin who have been publicly embarrassed over the years by the blood lust of the state's hunting lobby in promoting the killing every living creature from the bird of peace to kitty cats.

This bill is motivated by desperation. It turns out there is one living species that even the most boorish hunters are terrified could be headed for extinction hunters themselves.

A 2004 study by the Wisconsin Conservation Congress and other pro-hunting groups found in Wisconsin that for every 100 hunters who stopped hunting because they stopped breathing, joined PETA, etc. only 53 new hunters replaced them.

The specter looms that this powerful lobby, which has had its way perverting state wildlife conservation laws for decades, could have its political clout cut in half in just a generation.

It's true what they say about teenagers today. You try to raise your kids right and instill your own moral values in them, but peer pressure can be overwhelming. Before you know it, they are rebelling against everything you hold dear and refusing to go out and kill anything.

Part of it is that kids today are just too lazy to get up off of their couches to go up north to get drunk and play poker and shoot anything that moves. They sit around playing "Grand Theft Auto" for hours on end, but can't be bothered to go out and actually lay waste to anything in real life.

Maybe it's time to reinstate the draft. The Army will straighten them out.

If the pool of hunters 12 and over isn't enough to replenish the aging, blaze-orange-clad dinosaurs lumbering through our forests, the only thing to do is to lower the killing age. You have to develop a healthy blood lust in children before they are old enough to be distracted by other varieties of lust.

As absurd as an 8-year-old hunting age may sound to rational human beings, Gunderson sees it as a very responsible compromise. He claims there is considerable support among hunters for abolishing all age restrictions on hunting.

Sadly, we don't have any difficulty at all believing that. If hunters actually support passing out high-powered, deadly weapons to 8-year-olds, why wouldn't they be just as willing to arm 2- and 3-year-olds?

For that matter, why should babies in swaddling clothes be denied the unabashed joy that comes from squeezing their tiny fingers around a trigger to bag their first buck?

Joel McNally of Milwaukee writes a weekly column for The Capital Times. E-mail: [email protected]
Published: February 17, 2006
 
Seems to me that the big problem in this country is the lack of knowledgeable people in the media. But, if you know what you're talking about, you're over-qualified for the job...

Which is why I coined the term, "mediahcrities".

Pardon me. I gotta go :barf:

Art
 
When I read narrow-minded articles like this that are so terribly intolerant and prejudicial towards certain lifestyle choices, I just have to think that the following hypothetical converstion would not be looked at as strange at all in certain households:

Son: "Dad, I want to to talk to you about something"

Father: "Alright, son. I'm glad your coming to me, whatever it is. Ever since you turned ten years old you've been acting so grown-up. I'm very proud of you".

Son: "Well, it's just that---"

Father: "Have you decided to become a homosexual? Because there's nothing wrong with that and I would fully support that important life decision. If you want to have your boyfriend over for dinner tonight that'd be great. And, uh, do you have condoms?"

Son: "Ummm, no. It's not that at all. You see--"

Father: "Ah, yes. All of this renewed talk of Roe v. Wade has gotten your mind turning. Son, I want you to know that if you ever have an unwanted pregnancy, and you are honest and forthcoming with me about it, I will pay for your lover to exercise her Constitutionally-protected right to an abortion"

Son: "Huh? No, I just want--"

Father: "Oh, I get it. I have been noticing how you have acquired a few African-American friends. I think that you've made the right decision by coming to me to discuss how you are going to apologize to them for your ancestors enslaving thier ancestors"

Son: "What? No, I just want to go hunting with Uncle Tim"

Father: "Oh, my......"

Son: "Why are you looking at me like that?"

Father: "What's wrong with you, son? This whole time I thought I was raising you right..."
 
I sure as hell don't want to run across an 8 year old in the woods! I don't even like running across 12-15 year olds in the woods. Alot of guys just plunk their kid down and walk away and come back in 4 hours. If I come across a dad and son sitting in the same area no worries. I have come across some kid before who couldn't have been more than 13, made me real nervous.
 
The logicometer is only picking up a few trace particles. The rest is all emotional appeal coupled with ignorance and bias.
high-powered
High-powered? What's that mean? You'd think guns ran on batteries.
deadly weapons
And the point of hunting with non-deadly weapons would be...?
 
We're talking Madtown Wisconsin, most liberal place in the midwest. I expect these kinds of articles from there. They are not going to change anytime soon, so ignore it.:banghead:
 
I agree with bearmgc, Madison, Wisconsin never recovered from its Vietnam War protest days. It is an island of Liberalism surrounded by a sea of reality.
 
This guy's e-mail address is at the end of his column, I just sent him a quick note asking if he has ever been hunting. No comebacks, rebuttals, jabs, just a simple:

"Have you ever been hunting?"

That question was enough to sting Chicago Tribune columnist Mike Royko into actually trying it so he could keep lambasting it with a clear conscience. One trip after Ruffed Grouse (got off one or two shots, no birds) was a sobering experience for him.

I urge anyone interested to send the above question here:

mailto:[email protected]
 
Bill2k1 why would seeing a kid in the woods make you nervous. I am only 28 but 14 years ago when I first got into the woods I was probably one of the safest people in out hunting party. Our hunters safety instructors had no problem scaring us straight even now 15 years later I can still remember a good portion of that class. I have always thought that young hunters are more safe then some of the older guys out there.

Here in WI a young hunter under the age of 14 must be within shouting distance of a older hunter. If they let 8 year olds start hunting they are going to have to be within reach of their gaurdian, and there can only be 1 gun between the two of them. This is going to be a very safe option that parents will have if they would like to introduce their kids to hunting at an early age.
 
ITS STUPID. CARRYING A GUN OUT IN PUBIC IS ILLGAL BUT AFTER YOU TAKE A KID OUT OF THE CAR SEAT ( WHO ALSO DOESN'T NEED TO BE HUNTER SAFTEY GRADUATE) YOUR GOING TO GIVE THEM A GUN? WHATTTT!!! I LOVE TO SEE NEW KIDS GET INTO THE SPORT DON'T GET ME WRONG BUT WHEN THEIR DONE HUNTING DADDYS GOT TO PUT THEM BACK IN THE CARSEAT?
 
Carrying a gun out in public is illegal
Open carry is legal in WI.
( Who also doesn't need to be hunter safety graduate)
Ok. But he is under the direct supervision of an adult, who may be a hunter's safety graduate.

And these are not toddlers we are talking about. There should be no carseats involved.



Caps lock in quotes removed by me for easier reading.
 
When I was seven years old, car seats hadn't been invented.

I had no need of one, however. My legs worked just fine, as I took my grandfather's .22 rifle out to his fields and woods. Per his instructions, I never shot a cow. Never shot my grandmother's chickens or turkeys. Didn't bother the cats or dogs.

I did pretty good on crows, though.

My mother gave me a Daisy Red Ryder, that Christmas. After we moved to a farm next door to my grandparents', I had my own .22; a Marlin tube-mag bolt action that I kept in my room.

That was in 1946.

I dunno. Maybe back then we were more competent, earlier? :D

Art
 
they just passed a law in Wisconsin that makes 8 years or younger to be in a carseat. and no, concealed carry is illegal in Wisconsin. a bill just got shot down for concealed carry here. im not saying 8 years shouldn't hunt, i think they should have to take a hunters saftey course though. i have an 8 year cousin who would like to hunt very much and id like to take him but he has also never shot a slug or rifle besides bb gun.
 
lrhuntr said:
they just passed a law in Wisconsin that makes 8 years or younger to be in a carseat. and no, concealed carry is illegal in Wisconsin. a bill just got shot down for concealed carry here. im not saying 8 years shouldn't hunt, i think they should have to take a hunters saftey course though. i have an 8 year cousin who would like to hunt very much and id like to take him but he has also never shot a slug or rifle besides bb gun.

Close but not correct ...

http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/safety/vehicle/child/laws.htm

Wisconsin law provides that all persons transporting children under the age of four in motor vehicles must have them properly restrained in a child car safety seat. Four to eight year olds must be restrained in the vehicle seat belt or a car safety seat.

Additionally, he didn't mention concealed carry, but rather open carry which is perfectly legal.

Also, the law says that kids as young as 8 can hunt as long as they hunt with an adult mentor, and they share one firearm or bow between the two. To me, that seems pretty reasonable, maybe you should take your cousin shooting, and then take him hunting. :)
 
Eight years is plenty old enough for a Daisy Red Ryder, a pellet trap and some targets. Plenty old enough to start talking about hunting ethics and the connection betwewen a clean kill and food on the table. No need to overload, pushing too much information at any one time. Slow and steady over a year or two, coupled with trips to the field. Also have a .22 rifle and take the kid to a range or farm.

Big Boss Adult doesn't need to take any gun along. It's the kid's deal.

Art
 
I got my hunters safety card in New Mexico when I was 8 years old.

I see the big deal here is that the state of Wisconsin wants to regulate this at all. This should be a parents choice when they think the child is mature enough to accompany the parent into the field.

lrhuntr,

Why are you yelling?
 
Joel McNally is actually Milwaukee's resident 'hippie that never grew up' and is far left of Ted, Hillary, and that bunch. Like most liberals, he rants on and on about topics that he's never experienced or bothered to investigate. He's rather formulaic with every issue - he takes whatever his issue of the day is, applies hyperbole to specific segments of the issue, blathers on and on about how republicans/conservatives/Christians are thoughtless non-sensical idiots and then fails to offer any constructive criticisms or solutions.

I support this bill, I'm not in favor of 8-year olds, or even many 12 year-olds for that matter, "wandering" the woods by themselves but this bill clearly states that any hunter under the age of 12 must be accompanied by a parent that must remain within arms reach of their son or daughter.

I grew up in WI and like others in my family I was hunting and shooting by the age of about 10, but always under the close supervision of my Dad or one of my uncles. I think the over reaction by many is typical of the nanny state many wish us to have, instead of a father, or mother, deciding when it is best for their son or daughter to be along with them in the woods on a hunt we'll just delegate that (another) responsibility to the state.
 
A few years back I went with my son to attend his H.S. course. I elected to retake as it had beem 30 some years ago. I could not believe some of the childrens attention span. A few even brought game boys and were upset that they couldn't play them in class.The parents dropped them off as if it was daycare. I talked to a few of the parent at graduation and almost half of them hadn't taken the course. They were too busy to sit with their son or daughter and make it a learning experience. We have great instructors but I feel the frustration with them over the parents. My sons have been with me in the field since they were 6 years old and they had a bb gun. When they turned 8 they recieved a youth 22. At the time they were shooting 3-4 times a week under supervision. AT 12 they took H.S. and were allowed to carry a 243 which they had been practicing with and to hunt by my side. How ever I do not condone 8 year olds having a rifle and deer hunting without H.S. I'ts totally ridiculous especially when some of their parents haven't taken it. I see enough inept people every year in the woods and don't want some of these people passing on their bad habits to their children. Enough ranting.:cuss:
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top