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Hey, and don't feel bad about feeling "paranoid." Because you aren't. You're just a bit more aware of your surroundings than many folks - I mean, when I got into a hotel, I look for the exits, fire extinguishers, etc... I'm not _expecting_ a fire, but I want to know which way to go if there is one...
 
Good news...

I just spoke to a buddy of mine and he said he'd trade me his Winchester Defender 12 ga for one of my beater cars, I used to have one and loved it, I think that will do nicely for home defense, pistol grip and reg stock plus interchangable barrels. -wuhhooee-. I was just going to have the car hauled off.....

Still want a 9mm though:p
 
I'd suggest a shotgun for the house and a pistol as backup.
CZ-75, Ruger, Glock, Sig, SA-XD, etc.
The Glocks and Sigs will tend to run you more but if you look around you can find slightly used versions (usually police buy backs) for a reasonable price.
Mainly I would suggest going to either a gunshow or a range that rents guns. That way you can see how they feel and how they point in your hand before dropping the cash to buy one. If it was my first I'd definately go with a 9mm mainly because ammo is so cheap and readily available.
Practice makes perfect.
 
Gunmonkey

If it was my first I'd definately go with a 9mm mainly because ammo is so cheap and readily available.

That is precisely why I want one, many here have suggested CZs and I looked at their site online, like the looks but they are a little out of my range unless I can find one used, I am starting to rethink the Rugar only because of how big it is, I want something a little smaller and yet don't want less power, meaning I don't want a .380. Yet anyway. :banghead:
 
9mm is for sisssies!!!! :neener: :neener: :what: :D

what you need is a nice slow moving heavy .45acp!


ruger p90/97! :D




i jokes! but dont discount the .22 as 'inadequate'. its not ideal, but plenty of emergency room staff have testified on THR and other boards that they see a LOT of gunshot victims with .22 who unfortunately pass away.

9mm is a good defensive round, but what matters is shot placement. a hit in the forearm wont guarantee the attack is stopped. nor does a through and through wound to the midsection. the CNS must receive catastrophic shock (read: center mass, spinal cord, head). but trying to aim for the head isnt that easy. aiming for the bling-bling chain hanging around the thugs neck is more desirable, for if you do miss that chain, you're still hitting COM.

aim small, miss small.
good luck!
 
Welcome to The High Road. Sorry that it took a few life-threatening situations to get you to rethink your ways...unfortunately, in today's world, your safety is your responsibility. The police will be there to take a report and catch the bad guy (hopefully) but in most cases the victim would not have the time to contact them until after the fact.

Not to argue with your prior mindset but just want to make one comment in regards to the below statement.

My ill will towards hand guns stemmed from the fact that a BG could have one and you wouldn't even know it untill it's too late, kinda hard to hide a long gun/shotgun when you walk into mc donalds

Even if we all agreed with above and outlawed all handguns, do you think that bad guys would care that the law prohibited them from carrying concealed handguns? The law abiding citizens would be the only ones at a disadvantage here.

Again, hope all the worst is behind you and Welcome. I am sure there are some THR members in your neck of the woods who would be happy to take you shooting.

Sheslinger
 
Spacemanspiff

dont discount the .22 as 'inadequate'. its not ideal, but plenty of emergency room staff have testified on THR and other boards that they see a LOT of gunshot victims with .22 who unfortunately pass away.

I don't discount it at all, I have heard all the grizzly stories, they go in, bounce around, fragment... Doctors cant find all the damage, I hear that's why the military uses the .223, it can go in your leg and come out your ear... So I'm told, not sure if that was overly embellished or slightly exaggeratted. I personally wouldn't want to find out.

I am only interested in the the 9mm because the ammo is plentifull and cheap, it has decent stopping power, and clip size(goblins run in packs around here). Also want something I feel comfortable shooting, the S&W 500 is awesome but I feel that I would more of a danger to my self and those around me if I started off with it. It's purely an economical decision right now, for the money I can pratice more with a 9mm.
 
Howdy!

I may have missed it, but are you permanently disabled from the motorcycle accident? What's the injury, if I may ask?

You see, I'm disabled, too - industrial accident twenty years ago, acute closed head injury. These days, the worst is no short-term memory, and a different sense of humor sometimes. . .

:D

My partner is an EMT, too, so we can make sense of whatever 'structural' injury you've got to cope with - and if I remember right, no few paramedics on these boards, too!

I'm glad you survived long enough to smell the coffee. THR is a terrific place to network, and you'll get an earfull on just about any gun-related idea that can possibly be hatched!

I'm glad you're here.

Trisha
 
...many here have suggested CZs and I looked at their site online, like the looks but they are a little out of my range unless I can find one used...

Some advice: Don't ever take a manufacturer's MSRP to heart. For example, the Browning website lists the Hi Power at an MSRP of $709.00 for the exact model that I have, which I got for considerably less ($550 -- which is not really a good deal, even). A good rule of thumb for me is that if I'm paying MSRP on a gun, I'm getting royally screwed. :uhoh:

Seriously, you can find CZs for around $300, it just takes looking in the right places.

Cheers,
Wes
 
Sheslinger:

Even if we all agreed with above and outlawed all handguns, do you think that bad guys would care that the law prohibited them from carrying concealed handguns? The law abiding citizens would be the only ones at a disadvantage here.

I was quite honestly trapped in my own reality bubble, never felt they should be banned, just felt that the only people who had a use for them were criminals and police. I felt I didn't need one cause I am neither. I now see the facts as they are, I am disabled( Not in big brothers opinion) I hobble instead of walk, can't run and unless I keep a policeman or woman in my pocket I'm screwed if I'm not at home and something bad happens. That is real scary to me, I'm not afraid to go out but I wish there was some way to protect myself. Around here mace and a cell is about all you can legally carry.
 
Just a thought, you may want to keep an eye out for Glock 17, or 19 used:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976410673.htm

And from your nickname, I'd guess it's a messed up leg? I need a cane rom time to time, and Susan's had both patellas reworked, so it's no sweat.

Anyway, I got to get some chores done around here - take care out there, OK?

Trisha
 
TG, keep looking around the internet and pick up a copy of the latest Shotgun News at the bookstore. A major chain should carry it. If not the 'adult' bookstores often has it. Also, look up CDNN and get their catalog. They have been selling Stery M series in 'nine' and 'forty' for a while. Price is under $300, many others to choose from. Kinda like a toy catalog for 'big kids'. Maybe a Spanish Star in 9mm would work, or a used Taurus knock-off of Beretta. There's lots out there bud. Good luck. Every well-lived life is precious and worth defending. Good move on the Win Def!
 
Trisha:

I suffer from a shattered tibia/fibia about 3 inches above my left ankle, titaniun from knee to ankle, 2 pins upper and lower. Never healed right, Dr. put just a little too much length on the rod and tibia/fibia fused togather. It sucks but at least i'm alive to bitch about it, the hardest part is when I bang my pins as they stick out from the bone. Was to have been removed a long time ago, but Dr. refused to see me on account of not being to pay his bill. Been looking for a way to get it out but just recovered from another serious injury to same leg, was moving a vintage XS Yamaha I recently restored and sitting on it in back of truck buddy pops the tiedown without warning and gimp goes over side pinched between bike and bed of truck, all my weight on bad knee, hear pop! SCREAM like big baby!! Tore part of femur off with ligaments, laid up for 2 mths, not looking forward to getting my bionic gear removed and spending 2-3 mths laid up again.

I take it all with a grain of salt, s**t happens, I havent lost my sense of humor, and I can't sit around feeling sorry for myself.

:rolleyes:
 
Welcome to THR. Advice is plentiful and free. Matter of fact, its pretty good.

Buzz over to www.packing.org and look up Kansas. It will give you a good summary of your state's gun laws. Don't forget to look up actual DoJ laws and get smart.

Rule of thumb. New guns tend to trade at a discount of 18-22% off MSRP. Local market conditions rule but there is no reason to pay list price.
 
Twisted ... warm welcome to you here!:)

No need for me to blather on just repeating everyone else ... it's all been said really. I am just glad tho that you have seen things in a better perspective ... and sad that you had to tread the hard road to reach it!!

Your handgun is your friend and protector - if needed .... the BG's all have em, potentially ... so why should we, law abiding citizens ... not be able to ''equalize'' should the need arise.

When it comes to self defence .... you and only you are the master of your own destiny .... as you are well aware, cops cannot really make it until it's time to ''mop up''!

I think you will enjoy THR now you are here ...... :)
 
Waitone:


Thank you for the link, I'm checking it now.....dang, server down for now.
I'll keep an eye on it though. I looked on my county and city police pages, interestingly no info on wether I can keep it in my glove box unloaded, Florida has a legal 3 step carry if you arn't licensed to ccw. Can't seem to find any info at my city or county police sights???:fire:
 
You have my sympathies for your woes, and you are lucky you haven't been killed in my opinion!

I don't think you are over-reacting, if anything, I am surprised it took so many life-threatening situations to decide to become a handgun owner/carryer.

Remenber that the idea of a concealed handgun is to shoot someone, ONLY AS A VERY LAST RESORT WHEN YOUR LIFE IS DIRECTLY AND IMMEDIATELY THREATENED. A big guy punching you would be grounds to draw and place him under citizen's arrest for agravated assault, but you would not shoot him if he co-operated. If he ignores you, and tries to grab you or throw another punch, well, that could KILL you (brain trama.) and you would be right in defending yourself against an immediate threat.


On weaponry, I would sell everything you own and get a good G17 Glock in 9mm. (if it fits your hands.) and a decent holster. You *cannot* spend too much time taking safety and tactical shooting classes. They will let you use your new tool more effectively, with less danger to those innocents around you.


Lastly, don't go anywhere WITH a gun you wouldn't go withought one. Just go there boldly now :)
 
artherd:

Thank you for your post, I don't want a gun so that I can hurt sombody, I used to be able to run real fast from bullys, losing only some pride and self-estem, now if someone bullys me I just make a big scene about how they have to pick on handicaped people to get their jollies, I don't expect that to work everytime but usually if I do it 80% of the people around me tend to start heckeling the bully. I find that rather amusing. I honestly hope that I will never be forced to use deadly force, I am a live and let live kind of guy. I personally abhore the idea of doing harm to others, I would avoid it at all costs including firing a warning shot, but I won't hesitate if someone enters my house uninvited and intent on doing harm. I hope that dosn't make me sound all gung-ho, I have no reason to bother anyone, I don't want to go to the local bar and instagate a fight so I draw on them or anything like that. I would perfectly happy if I never had to chamber a round in defense, if I could go the rest of my life and never have to take it out of the holster except at the range or for cleaning it would do a lot to restore my faith in personal safty. Somehow it seems a little far fetched though.
 
The problem with laws are they are the law.
That's a rather profound statement! :)

I would avoid it at all costs including firing a warning shot
Not to change the subject, but as you will learn when you take firearms training, it is not a good idea to fire warning shots. The bullet has to hit something. It may be the ground or it may be a bystander.
 
Not to change the subject, but as you will learn when you take firearms training, it is not a good idea to fire warning shots. The bullet has to hit something. It may be the ground or it may be a bystander.

I agree, but was thinking more along the lines of a blank followed by JHPs. :eek: IF necessary.
 
Check www.packing.org for your state laws.

As you become more accustomed to having/carrying a handgun for defensive purposes, I think you will eventually feel that having a real round chambered at all times is the ONLY way to keep a gun for defensive purposes. If you ever have to use your gun, chances are good that you will not have time to chamber a round. I was leery of the idea at first also, but came around to the idea, and don't keep a defensive handgun in any condition other than round chambered, decocked, and any safeties off. This minimizes the chance of an accidental discharge, as well as the number of 'things to do' before you are able to fire a shot. Your instructors will concur.

Aside from that, I'm not even sure that blanks will cycle in a real semi-auto handgun. Blank firing guns in the movies are modified in order to feed and cycle blanks.
 
I honestly hope that I will never be forced to use deadly force, I am a live and let live kind of guy. I personally abhore the idea of doing harm to others, I would avoid it at all costs including firing a warning shot, but I won't hesitate if someone enters my house uninvited and intent on doing harm.

Well said, I for one, and I think all others here, fully agree.
 
I have a few random thoughts, but knowing me this might turn into a rather long post. The fingers are in a walking mood.

First, glad to know that you no longer think that handguns are tools of criminals. I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned before but: A handgun is what you use to fight your way to your battle rifle. That pretty much smacked me in my face when you wrote about not being able to get to your long guns while being robbed. They're not evil, they're just a less than perfect solution. You can't (reasonably) carry around a long gun all the time.

Regarding the carrying illegal thread: It seems that you've decided against this. I don't carry illegally (though I'd LIKE to) because I'm too much of a rule abider. I'm able bodied though; it's unlikely I'd gain any sympathy at all from a jury or a cop. You, however, are (and I think you used this word earlie) a "gimp"... you limp around a bit. You _might_ gain sympathy if ever discovered, however I must admit that I honestly think the LAST person to be searched for suspicious activity would be a guy limping around. Just my two cents. I'm not saying break the law... but if I was in your shoes I might. It's a toss-up.

I'm glad you got a 12 ga for HD (Home Defense)... you can't get much better than that, especially on a limited budget. Handgunners can debate to no end what guns are best for high stress situations at 10 yards, expansion, sight systems, etc... but i've never seen anybody say 12 ga at 10 yards is a bad idea. If you got it -- use it!

Now, for your "possible" carry situation, both the Ruger 95 and CZ-75 options are decent. I have a shooting buddy that owns a Ruger 95 while I own the CZ-75. The Ruger was cheaper, decent polymer frame, and darn if that thing doesn't shoot nice in the hands and plenty accurate. Bit "blocky" though and I've seen the Ruger P-series choke on _some_ ammo. If you go with Ruger I recommend picking your defense rounds carefully. Shoot plenty of them through there to make sure they chamber. I paid $360 for my CZ-75B 2 years ago and cant' say that I've _ever_ seen that gun malfunction. I've fed that thing plenty of crappy 9mm ammo and it spit them all out every single time. I'm biased though since I own one. I feel it's better than the Ruger... but I'm 99.9% sure the CZ is enough while the Ruger is 99.5% good. Neither is bad.

Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet, but if you're on a budget hunting down a Makarov might not be a bad idea. If you're not in the loop it's a surplus European (many countries made them) semi-auto in 9x18mm. I hear it's not bad, and better than .380. They run about $150 plus the transfer fee for your FFL. I don't own one, and have never shot one, but I hear they're not too bad.

Same goes with a Hi-Point in 9mm. Excuxe me while I duck away from the rocks being thrown at me now. Okay, phew. The Hi-Point will run you about as much as the Makarov, and while the Mak might be a better gun overall the 9x19 ammo is easier to find than 9x18 making practice much more reasonable. Besides, there's a multitude of 9x19 ammo out there made for self defense

Nothing wrong with the wheelguns either.... you can stuff them snubbies in tight placds and not worry about jamming. I agree with your "high capacity" philosophy though -- the BG's tend to roam around in groups in my area too.

Now, if you need to raise cash to get a 9mm, .40, or .45 just let the people of THR know what you've got in .32 -- somebody might take it off your hands and offer you enough cash to get into a better caliber. People here, me included, have a tendency to buy guns we don't _really_ need.
 
Twistedgimp, you're a damn lucky man; on two counts.

You've managed to avoid legal and physical ultimatums 'til now, and you've seen the light and found THE HIGH ROAD. Congratulations, on both;and as the newest member of the choir, your chores are thus: Imbibe the holy waters of Shiner Boch, and learn the Gospel....according to JMB; of course.
(A simple search should be fruitful; perhaps another member can provide the link as I am a computergimp....) Welcome to America!!!!;)
 
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