Any interest for smokeless powder cylinder with 209 primers for Ruger Old Army?

[45 Dragoon]

I said "Many folks in USA do not understand how lucky they are.". I should say "Too many...". See this:

Still, if there are an estimated 55 million gun owners in the U.S., even at 5 million members the NRA would account for less than 10 percent of the gun owning community.

https://www.newsweek.com/nra-membership-5-million-members-analysis-842040

Well, I guess it's a language barrier thing . . .
I was merely pointing out that " luck" has nothing to do with gun ownership here. It's more than just another product to sell in a market. Here, it's understood as a right that we all have and is protected by our Constitution. (And always under attack by our news media and liberal rag mags /newspapers like Newsweek)

Somehow that translates into NRA membership numbers . . .
Oooooo Kay . . .

Mike

 

[grter]

I would buy one.

The Howell Cylinder 209 cylinder? I sure hope they do make a whole lot of them. I hope they are priced reasonably.

 

[grter]

The dealer's ad for the Mag-Spark conversion kit states that it comes with a "special 209 primer removal tool" which suggests that
the spent primers may need to be pried off the nipple instead of being blown out by excessive blowback.

My impression of the Mag Spark and British Anvil equivalents is they are a 209 shotgun primer combined with a small booster charge of powder set up to propel the lightest roundball possible.

With no backplate or anything to headspace the back of the primer, charges have to be kept low.

If the flash channel is too small like a standard nipple, with a hot 209 primer inside a pocket (these things are almost as hot as .22 shorts) not enough gasses will escape through and that would likely blow the primer out the back also.

209 primers are meant to be in shotgun shells with the front for the most part unobstructed over the powder charge and held in place from behind during ignition by a properly head spaced cartridge gun. A black powder frame is not set up for that.

The Howell cylinder solves that problem because it is basically a conversion cylinder with a back plate to hold the 209 primer in place.

Maybe Mr Dragoon can be half happy since these cylinders can actually LOOK LIKE HISTORICALLY CORRECT cartridge conversions for us wannabe cartridge gun owners. We can actually enjoy the experience of having something that comes close in looks and feel.

Like the 1873 cap and ball not even close to as over the top as a muzzleloading AR but actually a nice practical item to have and enjoy. It would also ease a lot of the burdens of people in places like Great Britain and NY.

I say fire up the machines and make a whole bunch of them for Colt and Remington as well.

For the 1st batch the question in my opinion is Ruger, Colt, or Remington? Which will sell the most to help fund the production of more options for different cap and ball revolvers.

 

[arcticap]

grter, you have a point.
I'm searching for any 1st hand feedback about the Mag Sparks but haven't found any yet.
I can only wonder if the 209's are a tight enough press fit, along with the force of the hammer fall to keep them in place.

On another note, one reason for the nitro conversion cylinders in the UK is for indoor shooting.
BP shooting is generally not allowed at indoor ranges, but if loaded with smokeless powder then it's acceptable.

 

[Onty]

It would also ease a lot of the burdens of people in places like Great Britain and NY.

I know about hassle with black powder in Great Britain, but I didn't know that there is a problem with it in NY (state, city?).

 

[grter]

You can have black powder rifles and yes (some people just don't get this) pistols too. You can't shoot the pistols or have any loading components (bullets, powder, percussion caps, primers [if you have something that takes them] etc..) in your possession when you own a black powder pistol otherwise they will consider it a handgun and require you to register it and get a license.

Black powder rifles aside from being allowed as a muzzleloader is not mentioned as having the loading components restricted. Carry any them (pistol or rifle) outside loaded or not you will be hit with a weapons possession charge (serious.) Carry a muzzleloading pistol loaded outside you will be hit with the infamous 8 years 3 years in jail minimum handgun possession charge if you don't have it registered.

If you do have it registered but do not have a carriers permit then kiss your gun (all your guns) and license good bye. I doubt they will allow you license any gun again.

Another interesting thing is aside from describing ammunition as having an explosive propellent (more or less I don't remember the exact wording) what exactly is considered ammunition is not clearly defined in NYS law and the definition I suppose can be decided in whatever court case may happen to pop up. The federal government defines all parts of the cartridge separate or not as ammunition (the feds don't restrict ammo as much as some states.) Different states may only define certain parts of the cartridge or only fully, or partially assembled (in some way) cartridges as ammo.

I think it would be a safe bet that a NYS judge in keeping with the spirit of the NYS judiciary (very anti gun) would likely be eager to adapt the federal definition to apply the states possibly stricter laws on ammo if it ever came across his/her desk.

Even though it is legal for an individual to own an unregistered unloaded muzzleloader gun shop owners in NYC are not allowed to sell you muzzleloaders without filling out a background check and the buyer must have it registered and licensed. Gun shop owners really get the screws twisted on them in NY. Only gun shops can sell firearms in NYC.

Making a trip to another far off state to purchase a muzzleloader taking it apart so it's not in working condition and transporting the pieces in locked containers in the trunk avoiding states like New Jersey which in their eyes FOPA is void if you stop to eat or use a rest room (NYC too) is a hassle but unfortunately registering and licensing is an even bigger hassle. It involves questions, background checks, 5 non family member notarized character references, interview, waiting period of 6 months or more, waiver of your rights to keep sealed records sealed, not to mention a significant extra non refundable financial expense. NY has been known to have to be taken to court by people eligible for permits who have been rejected without just cause. They win but at what price. You have to pay the lawyers.

Can you see why one would get the idea that the governor of NY and all lawmakers of NY hate firearm owners.

 

[grter]

Is this wonderful idea anywhere near bering fruit? Updates ?