Any Mil/Police/SWAT units using Glock 18s?

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Per wiki, the 18 was developed for the Austrian EKO Cobra (not related to Cobra from GI Joe--I think). It's a pretty ridiculous concept all around. If you keep it light and packable, it will eat through a high cap way too fast. And if you put those outlandishly huge magazines on it, you've lost concealment not to mention how difficult it is to even hold up.

For the record, though, that doesn't mean I don't want one!
 
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The general trend in SWAT weapons for several years has been away from any 9mm sub-gun due to over-penetration issues through BG's, walls, & such.

That would be compounded with accuracy issues with a machine-pistol I would think.

Besides, it wouldn't be politically correct to blow away some low-life scum with 33 rounds of machine-pistol ammo! Think of what Jessie Jackson would say about that!

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Local Sheriff Dept's "SWAT" uses them for their entry teams. As I was explained, the only use use is for an "Oh $#it!" tactical retreat if wounded or SHTF. Hold it sideways "Gangsta style" and empty the mag. The recoil will make it sweep nicely and it hopefully will buy enough time to get out of dodge.
...I'm not even making that up...
 
LE agencies are also sometimes wont to buy things strictly for the cool factor and range toys. I've witnessed it first hand. The fact that they are out there is no guarantee that they are actually put to real use.
 
dbarale said:
Local Sheriff Dept's "SWAT" uses them for their entry teams. As I was explained, the only use use is for an "Oh $#it!" tactical retreat if wounded or SHTF. Hold it sideways "Gangsta style" and empty the mag. The recoil will make it sweep nicely and it hopefully will buy enough time to get out of dodge.
...I'm not even making that up...
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Words fail me...
 
Their practical use is that they are select fire which means you keep it in semi until you get backed into a corner or something. I'm surprised departments don't buy more of them. If you equip your officers with the G17, why not the G18? Takes the same amount of space but has more uses.

That said, I think they're mainly a diplomat protection weapon.
 
I know I woudn't want to be anywhere in the neighborhood if they try it.

The Glock 18 idea does make some sense if you can learn to do short bursts and keep it on target--I assume this can be done without a shoulder stock although I've never had a chance to try (if anybody wants to offer me a go with a Glock 18, I'm certainly not going to say no). Spray and pray, especially in a domestic law enforcement capacity, is just asking for problems.
 
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Their practical use is that they are select fire which means you keep it in semi until you get backed into a corner or something. I'm surprised departments don't buy more of them. If you equip your officers with the G17, why not the G18? Takes the same amount of space but has more uses.
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I imagine the negative public perception would lead to greater percieved liability--I can see some plaintiff's attorney asking the officer on the stand why he felt the need to shoot his client with a "machine gun" after poor Johnny was shot while trying to kill some little old lady.
 
I know of one particular officer here in VA that has a G18 and a 93R. But he is also a Class 3 dealer so I believe that has something to do with it. I remember reading somewhere that a PD up in Washington State uses them for their SWAT entry officers, the ones with the shields in particular. They use them with 33 round mags.
 
I never had the privilege of shooting a G18 so I can't say exactly how (un)controllable it may be, but I would bet that the end result of wide spread issue to police would make us look back at the typical "NYPD style" shootings, with the 40-50 round count and a 1:4 hit to miss ratio, as the good ol' days. :what:
 
A few years ago I went shooting with a Cobb County Police Officer friend of mine. We went to the Cherokee County Law Enforcement firing range. While we were there, some of the Cherokee County Sheriff Officers had a G18 they were firing. It sounded really neat. Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to play with it.... :/
 
I got to shoot one a couple years ago, I didn't try shooting it one handed :uhoh:, but two handed it was pretty controlable. Little bursts of 2-4 rounds seemed very controlable (at close ranges).
 
Yeah I've shot a G18 and a post-sample G23 conversion and they're not as uncontrollable as some people (who probably haven't even shot one) would have you believe. Even without a stock the G18 at ~1200 RPM was more controllable than the ~1800 RPM closed bolt Micro Uzi, which had stock, that I used to have.
 
shot one a few years back (in greece)... fully controllable... easy to shoot bursts with...
and fun.
 
I've fired a converted G17. Or was it a 19? Can't remember. Bursts are perfectly controllable. Even then, the 33rd mag runs dry pretty quick.
 
Cosmoline said:
it will eat through a high cap way too fast
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Where can you buy these "high cap" mags?

Please don't point me to any 33 round mags, as these are not "high cap", but designed expressly for use with the Glock 18.


The term "high cap magazine" is a legal fiction - please stop perpetrating it.
 
The term "high cap magazine" is a legal fiction - please stop perpetrating it.
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I agree 100% , they should be called standard capacity , the ones sold in Calif should be called lo-cap or reduced capacity. :)
 
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nalioth said:
The term "high cap magazine" is a legal fiction - please stop perpetrating it.
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<snip>, the ones sold in Calif should be called lo-cap or reduced capacity.
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Actually, neither of those are useful, as both represent one side of an equation. IOW, if there are "reduced capacity mags", there must be "extra capacity mags", which is another way of saying "high capacity magazines".

I prefer the term "ban mag", as that describes exactly why it is what it is, and doesn't leave the door open for speculation.
 
Negative , just because there is a low cap , doesn't mean there is a high cap.
We have dumb politicians and politicians , notice there aren't any smart politicians ;)

Low-cap just means that , it is lower than normal capacity. Though I guess we could call them capacity challenged , capacity lite , diet capacity , under capacity , capacity controlled by lawmakers without a brain.....ok I like the last one.
 
We have dumb politicians and politicians , notice there aren't any smart politicians
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I have to respectfully disagree, my friend. There are only dumb politicians.
 
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