Any update on National Carry?

[hatt]

No way this is going to pass and then everything is going to be alright. There would be shenanigans. "What could possibly happen" is about naive as you can get. The better solution is to just avoid and move out of crappy States rather than let your good ol boys in DC figure out something you can't avoid or move away from.

 

[LemmyCaution]

Here's another issue with federal meddling in permitting:

A permit, by definition, serves as an exception to a prohibition on an activity.

We take the history of western jurisprudence to mean that, unless an activity is specifically prohibited, it is presumed to be legal.

Permitting inverts this idea, instead holding that unless the government explicitly allows an activity, it is presumed to be illegal.

Federal law currently works on the former scenario. Unless carrying a firearm is specifically prohibited or regulated by federal statute, federal law presumes that carrying a firearm is legal.

Federal law, again according to the former view of jurisprudence, does not conceive of carry permits, anywhere, ever.

Federal legislation that legitimates the latter view of jurisprudence- that permits are required from the government before an activity becomes legal- represents an enormous conceptual step backwards.

I'd go so far as to say that it would turn the basis of our entire system of jurisprudence on its ear, and not in a good way.

It goes without saying that I view the permitting regimes of the several states to be unconstitutional. I see nothing good to come from legitimating that regime at the federal level.

 

[91 whiskey]

I honestly hope it dies.

 

[The Sarge]

It is my understanding that:
This effort does not allow the Feds to "issue any permits" for carry.
It only says states must acknowledge and honor other states CCW permits.....like a Drivers License.

 

[danez71]

It is my understanding that:
This effort does not allow the Feds to "issue any permits" for carry.
It only says states must acknowledge and honor other states CCW permits.....like a Drivers License.

But if you put on a tin hat... other words magically appear in the body of text that tells of its true objective... which is to come to your front door and take your guns.

 

[Geckgo]

I'm still a little uneasy about this bill, and I don't see it as a necessity. 50 state reciprocity is not far away to begin with, so why bother with this. I think we should continue pressuring the oddball states to jump on board rather than taking this to the hill. Just my opinion.

I'm not really paranoid about it, but it does not digest well in my stomach.

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/10/20/348966/nra-follow-nations-laxest-concealed-carry-laws/

How The NRA Plans To Force Nearly Every State To Follow The Nation’s Worst Gun Laws
By Ian Millhiser on Oct 20, 2011 at 1:05 pm


The NRA threw its full weight behind a bill called the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act, and members of Congress leaped to do their bidding. In all, 246 lawmakers signed onto the bill in the House, all but ensuring that it will pass that chamber, and more than half of the Senate Republican caucus co-sponsored an even more radical form of the bill during the last Congress. If the bill becomes law, it would allow nearly anyone to shop around for the one state that is willing to issue them a license to carry a concealed firearm, and then force other states to honor that license.

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Looks like it passed the house, I wonder how it will do in the Senate.



Forgive my ignorance but what is the "chamber"?

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[Vern Humphrey]

The House and Senate are the two chambers that make up our Congress.

 

[ErikO]

I thought that HR822 was still in Committee in the House?

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

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So it looks like it will easily pass the Senate and House?

 

[N003k]

It's an almost certain to pass the house at least, I'm personally not sure about the senate, but, I wouldn't hold my breath on it passing the senate with a veto-proof majority...and if it passes in general, who knows, maybe all the people that say Obama's been a pro gun president will get proved right and he'll sign it.

 

[galapoola]

It's an almost certain to pass the house at least

The smart money is to attach this to something the Democrats in the Senate need. That's what Thune tried a few years ago. It lost by one vote. They may be waiting for something that took huge effort to get enough votes for and sneak it on. Happens all the time. The Schumers and Lautenbergs of the world are keeping a watchful eye on this and will begin yelping the moment it goes anywhere,

 

[The Sarge]

But if you put on a tin hat... other words magically appear in the body of text that tells of its true objective... which is to come to your front door and take your guns.

I seem to have misplaced my tin foil hat there friend...may I borrow yours?

 

[Bosko]

Reservations

On its face, HR 822 would seem to be a good thing, State's Rights notwithstanding. However, as a former Fed, I am leery of letting the federal camel getting it's nose under my tent flap. Perhaps my tin foil hat is too tight.

 

[mortablunt]

Great news: it's gotten to the Senate and the antigunners are seriously freaking out!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...-schnederman-concealed-weapons_n_1021800.html

I want national constitutional Open Carry next or included within this bill!