Anybody seen "Bill's Gun Shop"?

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I bought it at our PX this weekend because it sounded kind of interesting, in a B-movie kind of way. After watching it, though, I am not quite sure what to think about it. I watched the section in Special Features called "Gun Stories" where the cast and crew talk about their experiences with firearms of all types, and it seems that pretty much only the fight coordinator and the actual gun shop owner have any responsible feelings about guns. The director (I think) said that the movie was not suppose to be Pro- or Anti-gun, but the majority of what goes on in the movie makes us (read: responsible gun owners and concealed carry license holders) look kind of bad. It was only like $13, but if you get a chance, try to rent it or something. I'd be really interested in seeing what other forumites feel about this semi-strange movie. Here's a link to a short blurb about it on Yahoo.
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808743355/details
 
Nope.

I saw it at the rental place on Friday, as a matter of fact, but I'm not paying even the full rental price for it. When it goes on the dollar shelf, maybe.

I read the blurb on the back of the case, and unless the guy who wrote it made the whole thing up, I don't see how anyone could possibly say the movie wasn't written to be an anti-gun diatribe.

As I recall, the film follows a young protagonist who's a complete loser, but who can identify all the guns in movies. Since he knows which guns were used in which movies, Bill hires him to work in the gun shop. :scrutiny:
Yeah, OK. So anyway, working in a gun shop brings him into contact with violent racists, gangsters, and I forget who else--because those people tend to hang out in gun shops, I guess. :rolleyes:
He gets a CCW because carrying a gun will make him a "real man." But that's not enough, so he talks his bounty-hunter buddy into letting him come along on a recovery, and apparently ends up shooting somebody to death because he's an idiot, then running from the law because he's an idiot and trying to dump the gun because he's an idiot.

I knew it would raise my blood pressure to watch this stuff, but what I find really irritating is that anyone would try to foist off that "well, I'm pretty neutral on this issue" nonsense. The fact that the gun and the gun shop are the focus of the film, as if they were characters driving this protagonist to his actions, makes it blatantly obvious what the bias is going to be. The fact that they felt it necessary to put in interviews with the cast and crew, not on their thoughts about violence or murder or boys trying to be big men, but on guns themselves, confirms it.

The saddest part is that I'll probably break down and rent it tomorrow.
 
http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/billsgunshop.php

Found a review. Here's part of it:

All his life, Dillon (Scott Cooper, Gods and Generals) has been in love with guns. He reveled in playing cops and robbers and never missed a single TV show where firearms were involved. Now in his early 20s, our out-of-touch loner is looking for a job. A family friend who works as a bounty hunter (Victor Rivers, What's Cooking?) for local gun shop owner Bill (John Ashton, Beverly Hills Cop) puts in a good word for Dillon and soon he's working in the weapons trade, alongside fellow fanatics Arnie, Tom, and sultry secretary Marla. Sadly, it's a minor success in his otherwise sheltered life. Dillon has been attempting to connect with a callous waitress named Hillary, but she won't give him the time of day, and his parents hate the idea of him working in a gun shop. Mom in particular is an avid handgun opponent and questions his decision every time she talks to him. Otherwise things go along fairly well until Dillon starts begging to be part of a particularly precarious bounty. Before he knows it, people are being kidnapped, bullets are blazing, and bodies are piling up. Confronting his obsession with firearms was more than this loser bargained for when he signed up to be part of Bill's Gun Shop. Now he must face his fascination or pay a steep price for it.

Bill's Gun Shop is a disaster, a flop of a film with plot holes as large as a .44 Magnum exit wound. It's as meaningful as a drive-by and about as sensible as suicide. In this firearm's obsessed ersatz-thriller, we are supposed to root for an emotionally-stunted dork who has his life tied up in a devotion to armaments and pull for him as he plays with revolvers, rummages through rifles, and admires automatic weapons. Our dry-as-a-desert-wind hero Dillon has a personality forged out of wimpiness, won't take know for an answer (just ask the waitress he's more-or-less stalking), and literally defines the Freudian concept of a gun as a phallus substitute. Frankly, this spineless jerk needs all of the Colt .45 cajones he can muster. Without his passion for pistols, he's a veritable void. In fact, this is the big problem with first-time writer/director Dean Lincoln Hyers' film. He fails to create interesting and/or dynamic characters, hoping instead that stale stereotyping wins the day. How else would you explain the raging survivalist, the skank slut secretary (who exposes her breasts during a movie date), the cranky and constipated gun shop owner, the lame liberal mother, or the Native American bounty hunter with the world's worst temper? They all pop, unformed and horribly underwritten, from Hyers' slop job of a script, confusing us more than making us care. Add to that the "action" scenes that sit there like spent shells and an ending that defies both logic and narrative reality, and you've got 98 tiring, tedious minutes of indie irritation.
 
It was filmed at Bill's gun shop and range in Robbinsdale MN, I took my CCW class there and do most of my shooting at their range, I have not seen the movie, will probably rent it just to see how much it stinks.
 
It got reviewed on Claire Wolfe's blog:

YOU'D THINK A MOVIE ENTITLED BILL'S GUN SHOP must have some redeeming value.

You'd be wrong.

I rented this alleged "action-packed drama" this weekend, and found it the most unintentionally hysterical film I've seen in a while -- the Reefer Madness of gun movies. If Michael Moore and Diane Feinstein had a child who went to film school, this would be his senior project.

With hand-wringing intensity, the film follows the adventures of 23-year old Dillon. Brainwashed from a childhood filled with toy guns and violent movies, this otherwise-nice kid is obsessed with (gasp!) firearms. When he's hired on at Bill's Gun Shop, he is predictably pulled into the dark, chaotic world of the [strike]reefer den[/strike] gun culture.

Stereotypes dripping of propaganda abound:

* Bill, the sleazy, wife-beating boss who is a ruthless bounty hunter on the side
* The racist, Hitler-loving neo-Nazi coworker who attends meetings where Gadsen, American, Confederate and Nazi flags are prominently -- and equally -- displayed
* The boss' slutty wife who seduces Dillon in a painful parody of The Graduate
* The Walter Mitty customer who visits daily asking to see "the gun Samuel Jackson used in Lethal Weapon" or "the gun James Bond uses", but never has the guts to buy one
* The smart, sweet, sensible girlfriend who is appalled at her beloved's slide into degradation caused by his obsession with [strike]reefer[/strike] firearms
* The colleague with a dark past and heart of gold; he's in too deep, but encourages Dillon to "get out while you can"

The situations in which the characters find themselves are equally absurd (e.g. after waiting months, Dillon receives word of his being hired at the gun store with the same awe-struck excitement with which you or I might receive notice of a Nobel Prize nomination).

Again, I need to reiterate that this movie is intended to be serious, but its fanatical, shriekingly-obvious anti-gun stance merely makes it ludicrous instead. If you're a fan of Mystery Science Theatre 3000, you'll appreciate just how appallingly bad Bill's Gun Shop is.

FUN PARTY GAMES

Amateur Night at MST3K - (note: you need to be familiar with Reefer Madness: The Movie Musical for this to work). Try to insert song lyrics and lines of dialog from RM:TMM into Bill's Gun Shop. It's surprisingly easy. For example, when the neo-Nazi starts talking about blacks, try to work in the phrase, "weed-blowing, ginger-colored lot." When Bill offers Dillon his first pistol (with ominous music playing in the background), you can start singing, "Take a toke of t-stick, take a toke of t-stick..."

The Bill's Gun Shop Drinking Game

Take a drink when:

* A pro-gunner (aka "bad guy") makes a racist comment
* The heart-of-gold colleague mentions his Native American background
* The neo-Nazi mentions his group
* Someone points out how bad guns are
* Someone begs Dillon to quit the gun store
* Someone gets shot
* Dillon fondles his gun nervously
* Bill smacks his wife around
* Dillon gets "dissed" or insulted by someone

Bonus: Three drinks when a death occurs as a result of a firearm sold in Bill's shop
 
I rented it, having read the back of the box, figuring it would be pretty damn bad. It was. The only reason I even shelled out the $4.50 for the movie was an interest in familiarizing myself with a movie that was sure to be blatantly anti-gun. To paraphrase Sun Tzu: "in order to defeat your enemy, you have to be familiar with them."
 
The funny thing about the movie is, if it were just 2 hours of the gun stories in the special features it would be worth watching.

This featurette paints legal gun owners in a fairly decent light (thanks to the gun wrangler/safety guy), and makes it apparent that the views of most anti-gunners are base on either no experience or a bad experience with guns.

It is also interesting how many people involved in the movie don't really have a strong stance about it. Many were familiar with at least some type of firearm and did not really take issue with guns one way or the other. It makes you realize that the true hardcore anti’s (at least outside of Cali, New York, Jersey, Chicago. etc.) are an extremely small but vocal minority.
 
I rented it. Why did I do that?

It's so bad I can't even work up the energy to refute the stereotypes. It's not even good propaganda. It's just awful.

On the bright side, I think this is the first time I've seen John Red Corn from "King of the Hill" in a live-action performance.
 
I saw this movie at the rental store the other day. The blurb on the back of the box sounded so obviously anti-gun I looked to see if Sarah Brady was the screenwriter......
BSR
 
I watched it. "Bowling for Columbine" was better propaganda. "Bill's Gun Shop" just...sucked.

Save your money. It's not a political thing - it's just a really crappy movie.
 
Neutral indeed. The movie pretty much says that guns are for thwarting robberies, fighting the government (two good reasons for guns, though not the best), impressing women, murdering someone when you're angry, killing yourself, and threatening folks who taunt you.

And be sure to leave the second chamber in your wheelgun empty. :)
 
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Maybe you should do as one did for Bowling for Colombine. Send the CD to others to view and they ship it to next person. (and send IIRC $10 to either Jews for the preservation of firearms?, The NRA, 2nd amendment foundation)
That way anti gunners/supporters get no more money/we get to learn about enemy and support a pro gun group.
 
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