Texasred
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Hey guys, like the title. Was wondering if anybodys rifle battery contained any non-standard warrior rounds: ie. .270, .243, .30-30, 458 bushmaster.
Anybodys SHTF Battery not include Military Rounds?
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Heck yeah! .22LR, .357/38 and 30-30!! The .22LR is an obvious choice for small game (gotta put something in the pot if it's a long-term SHTF situation) and I can pack A LOT of ammo. Of my many .22s I would likely choose my S&W 63 revolver and my CZ 452 scout. Both are small, easy to carry, and accurate. A 3-4" .357 mag revolver makes sense for many reasons but most of all it's VERY versitile (hunting/self-defense). My marlin 336 in 30-30 also makes a lot of sense. It's compact, fast, powerful enough for large game and fighting. It also has the advantage of not attacting a lot of attention (a major plus) and easy to get ammo for. Just my $0.02!
natescout
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+1 barker on the .22LR !
WardenWolf
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All my rifles except my 10/22 either use current or past military rounds.
Romanian PSL (7.62x54R)
Mosin Nagant M91/30 (7.62x54R)
Arisaka 99 (7.7x58 Jap)
Saiga .223 (.223 / 5.56 NATO)
Romanian PSL (7.62x54R)
Mosin Nagant M91/30 (7.62x54R)
Arisaka 99 (7.7x58 Jap)
Saiga .223 (.223 / 5.56 NATO)
Texasred
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I just feel funny considering my Remington 700 Sendero Special my tactical precision gun when it's in .25-06.
frogomatic
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+1 on the 22lr for so many reason I can't even list them all
I also keep a store of 257 roberts, 35 Whelen, and 454 Casull...what can I say I like the -5's
I also keep a store of 257 roberts, 35 Whelen, and 454 Casull...what can I say I like the -5's
HPJeep
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Mine's a rather old military round. How does .45 Colt grab you for my lever action?
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.3030 as a a backup. 22lr obviously.
The Deer Hunter
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My rifles don't run off batteries =(
cerberus65
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IMO, if whatever HTF, guns that do best on tasty critters will be a lot more useful than guns that do best on people. But what do I know?
So I have no military rifle rounds at all. I guess 9mm and 12 ga. are used by the military but they see such wide-spread use that I don't think they really count.
So I have no military rifle rounds at all. I guess 9mm and 12 ga. are used by the military but they see such wide-spread use that I don't think they really count.
jeremy71504
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A bolt .270 for the distance and 30-30 lever for the brush hunting.
WardenWolf
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Well, .223 works for basic deer hunting. May not be optimal, but it works. .308 is a good all-around choice, though.
jpwilly
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+1 for 22LR. We keep 5-6 550 rnd boxes of the stuff around. Otherwise my stock pile is all Past and Present Military Calibers.
WardenWolf
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Rondog has a point, one I've thought about myself many times.
What are the most realistic SHTF situations that could require use of your gun, and what ammunition type would be ideal in those situations? You have to look at what you will need, and what types of ammo you will most likely be able to get your hands on (such as by salvaging it off an enemy). Therefore, it would not be a bad idea to have long guns capable of firing each of the following calibers:
1. Invasion by a foreign power. Ideal ammo types: 5.56 NATO, 5.45x39, 7.62x39, 7.62x54R, and .308. Primary threats are Russia and China.
2. Our own military being used against us in some way: 5.56 NATO and .308.
3. Situation that allows you to escape to an area where you can hunt: .308 (military use will keep it in production) and 7.62x54R.
4. Situation that requires you to hole up in the city (and possibly have to fend off looters): 5.56 NATO.
5. Protection while traveling the road: Pistol-gripped, folding stock semi-auto 12 Gauge loaded with #00 buck.
Note that 7.62x39 can also double as an effective deer caliber. However, because it is a niche production item in the US, you cannot guarantee its continued production should resources be required elsewhere. China uses .308 instead of 7.62x54R.
If you have firearms chambered in these 6 calibers, you will most likely always have ammo available, and you will have the means to defend yourself in almost all situations. Pistols are a much more subjective choice, although both .45 ACP and 9mm are good. While .40 S&W is a good caliber, it doesn't have decades of ammo stockpiles behind it.
What are the most realistic SHTF situations that could require use of your gun, and what ammunition type would be ideal in those situations? You have to look at what you will need, and what types of ammo you will most likely be able to get your hands on (such as by salvaging it off an enemy). Therefore, it would not be a bad idea to have long guns capable of firing each of the following calibers:
1. Invasion by a foreign power. Ideal ammo types: 5.56 NATO, 5.45x39, 7.62x39, 7.62x54R, and .308. Primary threats are Russia and China.
2. Our own military being used against us in some way: 5.56 NATO and .308.
3. Situation that allows you to escape to an area where you can hunt: .308 (military use will keep it in production) and 7.62x54R.
4. Situation that requires you to hole up in the city (and possibly have to fend off looters): 5.56 NATO.
5. Protection while traveling the road: Pistol-gripped, folding stock semi-auto 12 Gauge loaded with #00 buck.
Note that 7.62x39 can also double as an effective deer caliber. However, because it is a niche production item in the US, you cannot guarantee its continued production should resources be required elsewhere. China uses .308 instead of 7.62x54R.
If you have firearms chambered in these 6 calibers, you will most likely always have ammo available, and you will have the means to defend yourself in almost all situations. Pistols are a much more subjective choice, although both .45 ACP and 9mm are good. While .40 S&W is a good caliber, it doesn't have decades of ammo stockpiles behind it.
Float Pilot
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Gee let me look....
1. 22LR lots
2. 12 gauge lots
3. 44 mag I need to reload some more
5. 45 Colt I need to reload some more
6. 38-40 Lots, That's odd since I only have 2 guns in that caliber.
7. 38 Special, can full. Long story..
8. 357 mag, lots
9. 300 Win Mag, maybe 200 rounds, need more
10. 350 Rem mag, maybe 200 rounds, need more
11. 6.5mm Swede. only couple hundred rounds need more
12, 7 x57mm, need to load up all this empty brass.
13. 30-06, enough hunting ammo for awhile
14. 5.56 down to one can, cant find any more, need to handload some.
15. 6.8x43mmSPC Still loading
16. 308, 7.62x51, Not much left, not as easy to find around here these days.
17. 45-70 LOTS
18. 358 Norma couple boxes
19. 50-90 sharps couple boxes
20. 9mmNato, a few boxes but don't have a 9mm firearm anymore
21. 40 S&W still some ammo but no longer have the pistols. Stupid caliber.
22. 10mm and 38 super. Boy these were from way back in the 80s.
1. 22LR lots
2. 12 gauge lots
3. 44 mag I need to reload some more
5. 45 Colt I need to reload some more
6. 38-40 Lots, That's odd since I only have 2 guns in that caliber.
7. 38 Special, can full. Long story..
8. 357 mag, lots
9. 300 Win Mag, maybe 200 rounds, need more
10. 350 Rem mag, maybe 200 rounds, need more
11. 6.5mm Swede. only couple hundred rounds need more
12, 7 x57mm, need to load up all this empty brass.
13. 30-06, enough hunting ammo for awhile
14. 5.56 down to one can, cant find any more, need to handload some.
15. 6.8x43mmSPC Still loading
16. 308, 7.62x51, Not much left, not as easy to find around here these days.
17. 45-70 LOTS
18. 358 Norma couple boxes
19. 50-90 sharps couple boxes
20. 9mmNato, a few boxes but don't have a 9mm firearm anymore
21. 40 S&W still some ammo but no longer have the pistols. Stupid caliber.
22. 10mm and 38 super. Boy these were from way back in the 80s.
armoredman
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TexasRed, nothing wrong with 25-06! That's my long range bolt gun. Well, that and the Enfield No4Mk1* .303!
Mike the Wolf, doesn't it stand to reason that if you could get ammo from an "enemy", you could also get a gun in that caliber from same?
I should think that anybody who has the basic armory of a center-fire rifle, a shotgun, a .22 rifle and a centerfire handgun would be in good shape.
I should think that anybody who has the basic armory of a center-fire rifle, a shotgun, a .22 rifle and a centerfire handgun would be in good shape.
WardenWolf
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While it does, it begs the question of the quality or long-term viability of such a captured weapon. You may be able to purchase a more reliable or better-performing firearm for yourself that utilizes the same ammunition. And you would, of course, be more familiar with your own gun.
If I were to cut 2 ammo types off that list, they would be 7.62x54R and 7.62x39. The role of 7.62x54R is adequately covered by .308, and 7.62x39 has been largely supplanted by 5.45x39 and 5.56. The one advantage of 7.62x54R is that the surplus ammunition is steel core. This effectively means it is quasi-armor-piercing. It is more capable of defeating body armor than .308, although an accurate shot to the head negates that entirely. Would it be better if you had them? Probably. But I'd put them at a lower priority than the others. Surplus of these types is also corrosive, which further reduces their usefulness since cleaning your gun is a low priority in an emergency.
If I were to cut 2 ammo types off that list, they would be 7.62x54R and 7.62x39. The role of 7.62x54R is adequately covered by .308, and 7.62x39 has been largely supplanted by 5.45x39 and 5.56. The one advantage of 7.62x54R is that the surplus ammunition is steel core. This effectively means it is quasi-armor-piercing. It is more capable of defeating body armor than .308, although an accurate shot to the head negates that entirely. Would it be better if you had them? Probably. But I'd put them at a lower priority than the others. Surplus of these types is also corrosive, which further reduces their usefulness since cleaning your gun is a low priority in an emergency.
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armoredman
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The mild steel core of the 7.62x54R is not really AP, not nearly like true AP.
cerberus65
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rondog, you make a good point.
In such a scenario I would help feed neighbors and fellow church members if I could. Looters would have to be shot. More thought is required, though.
In such a scenario I would help feed neighbors and fellow church members if I could. Looters would have to be shot. More thought is required, though.
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