Anyone comfortably CCW a 5" 1911?

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I carry a full-size, all-steel 1911 year round in a Galco IWB holster. I don't have a purpose-built belt for it, either. It's perfectly comfortable even with a narrow little dress belt. It prints a little with just a t-shirt, but I typically wear untucked dress shirts, and it completely dissapears under those.
 
I carry my full sized 5" Government model 1911 in a D.M. Bullard OWB with bodyguard all of the time. Close and high on a Boston Leather gun belt with a t-shirt and over shirt in the warm months and regular winter wear for the rest of the time. No problems whatsoever. Add two extra magazines in a Fobus paddle unit and it's ready to go.
 
I go with mljdeckard on this one. I carry a 5" IWB, standard belt, untucked, open shirt. Winter is easier. Summer is really no problem. I just have to THINK about my movements.
It took about two weeks learning how to reach for things on a high shelf and pick things up from the floor.

Practice at home before you go out.

Also remember, most folks are in condition white and are not paying any attention to you.
 
Furthermore, I am unwilling to adjust my wardrobe and lifestyle to accommodate my most important piece of equipment. I am willing to carry a gun and kill someone if I need to, but I'm not willing to throw on a longer shirt to cover it."

This might be more of a concern if I couldn't easily carry a smaller pistol that I still feel just as comfortable trusting my life to. Considering that I have never been in a a gun fight and am very very very unlikely to every need to use a pistol in self defense and I can readily afford to buy a smaller pistol that is both more easily concealed and more comfortable to carry I really don't feel the need to alter my wardrobe solely so I can sport a 5" fullsize 1911. How I look has hither to had much more of an affect on my life than having a compact, sub compact or even mouse gun has or is likely to.

I have an athletic build and dress accordingly. I like to dress just so at times and really don't like to look sloppy. If it were no carry or changing the way I dress I might feel differently but I don't feel disadvantaged by a 4" or even 3" .45. I don't feel greatly disadvantaged by having a 9mm.

Do you believe that one is at a notable disadvantage by having a subcompact or compact .45 versus a full size 5"?
 
Do you believe that one is at a notable disadvantage by having a subcompact or compact .45 versus a full size 5"?

no not really. my experience that a 3.5" .45 was just really hard to shoot. whereas the 5" was so much easier it was like night and day. my original question regarding the 5" was based on the fact that the "compact" 4.25"/4" commander 1911's have the same grip size as the full size 5", so if the barrel is the easiest part to conceal are you giving up more than you are gaining by going with the commander size?

I also was looking at the HK45c and USPc, but I haven't shot those yet, but they are contenders.
 
No-way-Jose. Too big...too heavy...etc., etc. Might as well carry a rifle...really.

There are so many...many...many better/lighter options out there.

Old school has little to offer...its old and...well, I've graduated. The 1911 ran out of steam around 1912.
 
Learn to "Dress Around the Gun" and you too will be able to conceal a 5" 1911. :D

I carried one wearing shorts and a Hawaiian Shirt just a couple of weeks ago. The "trick" is to use a good Belt and Holster. I've been using a Mitch Rosen ARG until I get a Summer Special II from Milt Sparks.

The Belts I use are made by The Beltman, Mitch Rosen or Bruce Gibson. I mix and match the Belts and Holsters because I have more than one to choose from. I generally recommend though that when someone orders a Holster, they order a Belt too.

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Girodin- Yes I do. Like I said in the post, larger guns have more distance between the sights, giving a better sight radius, making them easier to aim. Larger guns have more weight, making recoil more controllable. Also, longer barrels give better velocity, making standard ammunition more effective. The reason one might drop down to 185 gr .45 ACP, is that 230 gr, which is already slow, will be even slower from a short barrel.

Your reasoning that your wardrobe has had more influence over your life than the size of gun you carry sounds like the antis saying the odds of you needing a pistol are so small, you might as well not carry at all.

Comfort is relative. If you take a non-gun person, and have them try on various holster types with a sub-compact Glock, they will be uncomfortable. They certainly wouldn't say they don't notice it. They aren't used to the idea of wearing it, and it will feel like a tumor to them. But if you get a kid who turned 21 exactly six weeks ago, and got his permit in the mail yesterday, and has been waiting since puberty to strap on a gun, you could hang a Desert Eagle under his left arm, and he will swear he doesn't even know it's there.

Carry what you shoot best. If you really do shoot compacts as well as a full-size, go ahead. Anything else is rationalization.
 
I've got two carry guns. One is a 5" 1911, the other is, well, another 5" 1911.

I don't know about you guys, but the whole winter/summer thing is lost on me. Do you really change your "regular" clothes that much? I dress the same way year 'round, just add thermals, coats, etc. in winter. I imagine it would be different if I worked outdoors all the time, but most of us don't.

A 5" 1911 is fine for most of us to conceal, barring an unusual combination of body features. Don't laugh, I've seen it. Some folks look completely normal until they try to wear a handgun. Then they look like candidates for some sort of "-ectomy" and wind up putting a .380 in their pocket.

First, a full size 1911 is not "tuckable" for most of us. Resign yourself to wearing untucked cover garments. The good news is there are appropriate things for any mode of dress. Formal and semi-formal dress is easy. A suit or sport coat will make your rig disappear easily. Casual is fairly simple, too. Depending on your body and holster, Polo shirts, camp shirts, hawaiian shirts, etc. are all good. Same for knocking around on the weekends. Wearing an IWB and a little bit large T-shirt works for me.

My opinion is that you're absolutely right about the commander issue, too. You don't really gain anything by lopping off 3/4" of barrel.
 
The only thing one gains with a commander is that some body types get their butts pinched when they try to sit on a 5" gun.

~~~Mat
 
You are right a full size has advantages. I do not personally believe they are that significant in a carry pistol. Or to put it another way that the smaller guns put one at a great disadvantage. I and most people who practice (as always training will have more of an effect than two inches of barrel) can shoot a compact or even subcompact well enough for SD purposes.

In terms of velocity vs barrel length based on all the chronograph numbers I have seen I do not believe than an 1" of barrel length or even 2" is causing enough of a reduction to be significant and certainly not enough to put me at a major disadvantage. If that minor difference is notable I had better strap on the glock 20 because there is more of a difference in performance there. Or perhaps I should jump up to a .44 mag or .454 causal. After all my firearm is the most important piece of equipment I carry and I ought to be willing to make adjustments to carry the most effective pistol I can. Concealment is simply a matter of trying harder. I believe it would be legal in Utah to carry a rifle. Why not just strap an AR (in 6.8 of course) to ones back. If one is willing to carry a gun and kill a person one ought to be willing to throw a sling over his or her shoulder, no?

Seriously though, there are trade offs in the choices we make. For me personally a 3" 45 or even a 2" .357 mag does not strike me as a huge disadvantage as a carry gun provided the person carrying it can manipulate it and shoot it proficiently. I would agree that if one could only proficiently use a full size that is what they should carry. I also don't believe that will be true for that many people provided they take the time to train with their weapon.

Your reasoning that your wardrobe has had more influence over your life than the size of gun you carry sounds like the antis saying the odds of you needing a pistol are so small, you might as well not carry at all.

It may sound that way but only if you ignore one of the key premises. I can carry something else that I can shoot well. That is the major difference. As I stated earlier if it was no carry or full size all the time I would go full size. That is a false dichotomy for most of us however, and not a situation that I face.

I might add that changing one's whole life and daily regime based on what really is the incredibly unlikely event that you will A) need not only to use a pistol but that a small difference in bullet velocity will determine the outcome sounds like unhealthy paranoia. I say that as someone who is as pro carry as one can be. Further my end justification to carry is not based in needs at all, it is a matter of rights.

Now you might well counter that a simple change is dress has very little effect in your life and you might be right on the money. One of the common features I notice on this board is that people project their lives/circumstances on to everyone else. Hence you have some people insisting a rifle cannot be used for HD because they live in an apartment with several shared walls or such things. Dress is significant for me. Do I believe it must be for others? No. Dress in mumu if it doesn't matter to you and it lets you conceal what you want. Recognize that others wouldn't be caught dead like that though and given their lives their logic is just as reasonable.

In short we have to agree to disagree but I do not feel disadvantaged by a smaller .45. There are a great many people who carry much less than that. If we were talking .380 vs .45 I would side much more with you.
 
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I have carried a 5''1911 for years, I do however occasionally carry a para slim hawg 3'' iwb, when a little more dressing discretion is required.
Living in the Arizona heat, summer is a situation we have to deal with, I sometimes revert to a pocket carry like a p32, and pf9 kelti,
But primarily carry a 5'' norinco, or a molina, or occasionally a colt, but almost always a 1911 platform.
good luck with your choice
 
Sure. For several years in a Galco summer comfort.

XD 45 a few months ago. Carrying it the same way.
 
I carry a Lightweight Commander, the missing 3/4" helps when you sit, drive, or whatever. When I shove my 3" kimber in the same holster, you really notice a big difference. The weight is the only killer for me, so the smaller the better. Maybe if I carried a bunch of extra mags on the other hip, it would equallize:)
 
And Girodin, like I said, if you really do shoot a compact as well, go ahead. But most people have never even tried both to see the difference. I try to treat it as a privilige you must earn. Learn with a full-size, and as you learn more about shooting, and improve your skills enough to justify it, THEN move to a smaller one if you still want to. I tried a few compacts and moved BACK, because I couldn't discern enough difference in comfort to justify the switch. It wasn't like I put on a Glock 23 and it changed my whole carrying world.

It is legal to carry a rifle just about everywhere here, but I usually leave it in my truck. And yes, we aren't required to conceal here, and that may make a difference to some.

I do tell any of my friends who are casually considering carrying, that this is a lifestyle change, and that if they aren't willing to make a lot of changes about a lot of things, they shouldn't take the commitment. Getting a dog requires a lot of adjustment. This is much more important than that.
 
A full size 1911 rides nicely in a DeSantis Speed Scabbard which holds the gun tight to the body.
 
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