Anyone ever convert an anti?

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This thought came to me the other day while I was reading a post here. It struck me that I have never converted anyone and I can't recall any of my friends converting anyone either.

By 'convert' I don't mean get them to go to the range and actually touch a firearm (eewwwww!!), I mean buy a weapon, join the NRA - become one of us.

I have taken nonshooters to the range and introduced them to the sport. While everyone has said they enjoyed themselves, that's about as far as it has gone.

Just curious about how we're doing.
 
I honestly don't know if I ever have. I talk enough about this that I'd like to think I have, but who knows.

Down here in the Deep South, we don't run across too many 'Honest-to-God" Antis, so I don't get many opportunities these days.

I spend more of my efforts in the "Traditional" Firearms community here showing that EBRs ARE valid and useful hunting rifles.

I think I've made a few converts in that department however.


-- John
 
I have never converted anyone, but have planted the seeds, and then life usually does the actual converting!

Had a young lady I worked with for several years who was extremely anti! Many afternoons spent with her "discussing" the relative merits of gun ownership and profeciency. Never got it, till an aquantence of her's met with a violent ex-boy friend, and then she decided that perhaps the life of a sheep was NOT for her! In my experience most "conversions" are of a similar nature!
 
I back packed into Ansel Adams Wilderness in California Sierras back in the 1980's. As was my custom, I had a break open 16 gauge shotgun slung on my frame. Very light but powerful at close range.

Three hikers from the Bay Area said unkind things to me about the shotgun during a morning break. That night, coyotes started yipping and howling about an hour after sunset. Shortly afterwards, the Bay Area folks moved their camp next to mine. The outspoken one said that he understood the need for a gun in wolf & bear country. Wolves?

Whether any of them converted is beyond my knowledge. But I didn't come across as beligerant or threatening to them. I hope they understood my calm and polite nature is compatible with firearm ownership.
TR
 
When I got married, my wife thought guns were evil and scary, now she's an NRA member and getting her CCW next month!
 
When my wife and I were just friends before ever dating she was rather scared of guns. She is now planning on getting her CCW permit in May.
 
My boss used to be super anti-gun. "No one really needed guns, nothing but trouble, blah blah blah".

He had never even touched a gun outside of a BB-Gun. I took him to the range, he loved it. He actually did research on firearm ownership, and realized that guns in the hands of competent people is actually a really good thing.

The next six months he bought a 1911, mosin, and an AK. Haha, he's going to pick up a small gun for carry when he takes his ccw class this summer.
 
Never converted a hard-core anti type. The ones I've met were somewhat, um, religious in their beliefs and would not be swayed from the faith so I didn't get down in the mud to wrestle.

Converted MANY fence sitters, especially during my LE time. My very own wife was "gun-nervous" when we met and still cares not one whit for anything firearms related, but will pick up, clear, and secure any firearm I ask her to (unless she doesn't know how in which case she follows "eddy eagle" and doesn't touch).

Much like TR's post, I've found that the further "out" you are and the darker the nights get the more folks think having some firearms might just be a good idea <grin>.
 
When I got married, my wife thought guns were evil and scary

Ditto, but I considered her more uninformed about the real issue as opposed to a devout anti.
 
List of Hard Core Anti's converted (so far):
My Wife - she now shoots better than most people I know
Her Father - He's an MD in CA and never shot before he met me
Her Mother - flying out next week. Plans on shooting clays

Middle-roaders:
Her Sister - still kind of a middle roader, but doesn't mind shooting or my CCW
My Dad - he always owned western guns, but he now shoots my saiga's for fun
My Brother in Law - never liked guns. He now shoots my 1022 and my XD



That's so far. Basically anyone I meet outside of work gets the "Guns make my life liveable" speech :D
 
Several, most people who you'd describe as anti gun likely just don't know more than what they've seen on the tv from the brady group. Some level headed reasoning (not: you're wrong, what are you a communist!?!) and well reasoned debate and you can usually get them to the range with you. After that, its all over.
 
My inlaws are like this
father-in-law = hates guns always will
mother-in-law = never shot before me, now wants to get a gun but cannot (see above)
sister-in-law = never shot before me, enjoys shooting, wants a mahine gun now
brother-in-law = never shot before me
grandmother-in-law = never shot before me, thinks an AR-15 is "beautiful"
 
i live in mississippi, and apart from college, i have never met an anti gun person.

there is a very strong firearms culture in south mississippi. i read posts on this site about firearms laws in some states, and cannot believe that they are even in the same nation!

and no, the antis i met in college did not change.
 
i live in mississippi, and apart from college, i have never met an anti gun person.

I just love hearing people say that.


First of all, define anti.


This is a pretty good definition for me. A guy that moved into our neighborhood from New Orleans came in my parents' home as Dad and I were meeting up and getting ready to go deer hunting. He saw our Remington 700's and commented:

"I just don't believe anyone in the United States should be able to have a gun."


Pretty much sums it up. (and yes, I told him to leave if they offended him.)


-- John
 
jakemccoy said:
First of all, define anti.
I'll define it in 2 separate ways. First is someone who wants all firearms uninvented. Second is hoplophobic.

In the first case, I have a buddy I've been working on for about a year. I've moved him from hardcore anti to indifferent. Once day he mentioned that he would probably be more interested if shooting didn't seem like such a waste, with people just dumping rounds downrange. Same day I got him a b.p. pistol. The effect is growing now. I figure another year and he'll be done.

My sister is hoplophobic. It stems from not knowing how firearms work, not a deep seated craziness. A few trips to the range and she will be completely converted.
 
My brother's wife's sister once was adamantly anti-gun and wanted to teach urban public school to experience the wonders of diversity. She moved to Miami and taught public high school there. The last time I saw her she was no longer in love with diversity and now owned a handgun. Sometimes experience is the best teacher... :rolleyes:
 
Soybomb nailed it. Most "antis" aren't necessarily anti-gun, they just don't know anything beyond the irrational alarmist propaganda spouted by other people who also don't really know anything about firearms.

For those of you trying to convert others, keep this in mind: uncovering the truth takes work. Most people don't care enough about guns to research them and their use or define and weigh the pros and cons of firearms in society. They (like many of us with other subjects) are perfectly content to jump to a conclusion and maintain said conclusion because it's what everyone else is doing.

When you try to convert somebody using factoids, statistics, legalities, and whiney-sounding blathering about heritage, rights, and entitlements, you'll make your target simply tune you out. Why? Your arguments are correct, aren't they? Sure, but it doesn't matter. Those types of arguments don't cause your audience to volunteer to move from their current position to consider yours. It's more like you're blasting them with a word ray. For those of you who've taken a speech or writing course, I'm saying that appeals to logic (logos) will fail without coordinated appeals to emotion (pathos) and appeals stemming from your good character (ethos).

So what should you do? You've got to make it real. How? Use specific examples from your own life that genuinely matter to you. Talk about how enjoyable pheasant hunting with your dad used to be. Talk about how much you've learned from messing with your military surplus rifles. Talk about how naked and powerless you felt when you got mugged in your own neighborhood. Stories and parables teach and convince by letting the listener imagine themselves as someone else.

Let's get specific with one of my best examples. I lived in New York for a year, and in order for me to get there, I had to drive from Minnesota. Because I was alone on a long trip, I kept my Colt snubbie loaded and in a water bottle holder right near my seat belt buckler. With my carry permit, it's legal for me to have a loaded gun handy in my car while in Minnesota. So, when I set off, it didn't take long for me to cross the border into Wisconsin, and when I did that, suddenly my loaded and concealed handgun was illegal and I was a criminal. Going through Illinois, I was even more criminal, and by the time I made it to Chicago, I was the scum of the earth. Then I crossed the border into Indiana, and suddenly everything was peachy keen and I was a normal citizen again. When I went through Ohio and Pennsylvania, my handgun was OK, but didn't have permission to carry it in those states. Then, when I made it to New York, not only was I not supposed to carry my handgun, I was supposed to register it (which I never did), and mere ownership was illegal.

After telling people that story, I ask them "What changed? Did I suddenly become a monster worthy of being locked up with violent felons? Look me in the eye and tell me I'm exactly who America should incarcerate."

Even the most anti-seeming Ivy Leaguers who I've told that story to scoff at the sheer absurdity of the laws that condemned me in those "anti" states. And why not? There's nothing they hate more than social injustice.
 
Not that I know of. I have made a few "gun nervous" folks get over their nervousness though, including my lady, and she has in interest in firearms. It seems like it took forever to get her to go to the range with me, but now I cant go alone.
 
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