bluestarlizzard
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exscuse me?
Anyone ever convert an anti?
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exscuse me?
I know a hardcore butch man-hating lesbian that is just in love with guns.
She carries a .357 revolver all over the place.
Regarding the subject at hand, I don't think you have too much chance of changing a raging anti's opinion. However, the majority of people don't have strong feelings regarding guns but most people love to say they love freedom.
I always frame the conversations in a civil rights light, "So you don't like civil rights? What other parts of the bill of rights do you want to ignore?"
/Very few people admit to hating freedom.
She carries a .357 revolver all over the place.
Regarding the subject at hand, I don't think you have too much chance of changing a raging anti's opinion. However, the majority of people don't have strong feelings regarding guns but most people love to say they love freedom.
I always frame the conversations in a civil rights light, "So you don't like civil rights? What other parts of the bill of rights do you want to ignore?"
/Very few people admit to hating freedom.
scrat
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i did years ago. I had a friend who hated guns. just by word i guess. Anyhow this was probably about 20 years ago. We were at his house one friday night and were throwing some basketballs in his driveway. Well we started talking about guns. He said he never understood why i have them. Then we started playing an old game of horse. I would make a shot then he would. At the end i told him. Its funny how you dont like guns but act like a gun owner. He asked what i meant. i told him. Here we are trying to make shots with a basketball to get the ball through this hoop. When you play baseball you try to hit a ball. When you bowl you try to knock down pins. So i got him to listening. then i talked him in to going to the range with me a couple days later. Now years later he owns 4 guns. Its not hard to do. The hard part is convincing them to go to the range with you to try it out. After that most people get hooked. They start out small and like most curious people. They want to see what that bigger gun does and they want to hit the target. so they go bigger and try more. You out shoot them. They say the last shot didnt count. So they try again. and again.
Then they get mad at the bad guys that ruin the sport of shooting for people who do it for the sport.
Then they get mad at the bad guys that ruin the sport of shooting for people who do it for the sport.
Three years ago, a woman expressed romantic interest in me. I wasn't interested in romance, but we became friends for a few months. She has a degree in Women's Studies, she is bisexual, and she is an ardent women's rights supporter.
We both knew that we had opposite points of view on guns and shooting, but we never once discussed it between us. She only mentioned it once by saying, "I still can't believe I'm in denial about the fact that you like guns."
Often she complimented me on being a safe and responsible person. Most of her friends were musicians, artists, tatoo shop owners, writers, and so on. A few had drug problems, a few were worse. Apparently she didn't have much experience with folks like me, and she was very impressed.
A year after I last saw her, a mutual friend told me that she had a My Space page, so I went to look at it. There at the top of the page is a S&W J-Frame that she had Duracoated pink with black grips. She bought it for self defense and took training so she could be safe and responsible.
So it seems that you don't have to preach the word incessantly when you live it conscientiously day to day. Eventually it rubs off.
We both knew that we had opposite points of view on guns and shooting, but we never once discussed it between us. She only mentioned it once by saying, "I still can't believe I'm in denial about the fact that you like guns."
Often she complimented me on being a safe and responsible person. Most of her friends were musicians, artists, tatoo shop owners, writers, and so on. A few had drug problems, a few were worse. Apparently she didn't have much experience with folks like me, and she was very impressed.
A year after I last saw her, a mutual friend told me that she had a My Space page, so I went to look at it. There at the top of the page is a S&W J-Frame that she had Duracoated pink with black grips. She bought it for self defense and took training so she could be safe and responsible.
So it seems that you don't have to preach the word incessantly when you live it conscientiously day to day. Eventually it rubs off.
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I converted myself. By coming here. Does that count?
one45auto
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At the bottom of all the anti's rhetoric, exaggerated statistics, and outright lies isn't a fear or dislike of guns but rather of their fellow citizens.
They assume the worst in people. To them the world is a scary place full of irrational individuals doing God knows what. They're consumed by fear, indeed paralyzed by it. Oh they'd trust themselves with a firearm, should push come to shove, but they suspect everyone else. Gun control is their means of trying to rubber-pad the walls of reality and insulate themselves from the perceived randomness of the universe.
They assume the worst in people. To them the world is a scary place full of irrational individuals doing God knows what. They're consumed by fear, indeed paralyzed by it. Oh they'd trust themselves with a firearm, should push come to shove, but they suspect everyone else. Gun control is their means of trying to rubber-pad the walls of reality and insulate themselves from the perceived randomness of the universe.
QUICK_DRAW_McGRAW
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i have. my dad.
he grew up afraid of guns, never wanting to be around them. and when he found out i got some he was PISSED mind you i was 18 and got them with my own money when i was in arizona.
when i moved back home after college i would sit at the table and clean them after a range day. he hated it and wouldn't be in the room because he was afraid that even though it was disassembled it would shoot him.
anyways i finally got my brother back into shooting. he now carries a XD9 service every day. we got my dad to go one day. he started with my beretta .22LR. then the next trip we got him to shoot the XD. then the third range trip i rented a 1911 and had him shoot the .45ACP and he loved it.
he is now looking at getting his CWP and a XD45 for home protection even though i rent out part of the house with my few guns to protect us.
i though it was rather cool. as well as the other day he told me that a co-worker who also carries was at starbucks with his son. they are talking while a large man ahead of them was ordering. the man walks away out of the store. his co-worker looked at the girl and she was just staring into space. come to find out the large man had just robbed the cashier without no one paying any attitsion.
that now gave my dad more insentive to get a pistol to carry and go to traning with me and my brother.
he grew up afraid of guns, never wanting to be around them. and when he found out i got some he was PISSED mind you i was 18 and got them with my own money when i was in arizona.
when i moved back home after college i would sit at the table and clean them after a range day. he hated it and wouldn't be in the room because he was afraid that even though it was disassembled it would shoot him.
anyways i finally got my brother back into shooting. he now carries a XD9 service every day. we got my dad to go one day. he started with my beretta .22LR. then the next trip we got him to shoot the XD. then the third range trip i rented a 1911 and had him shoot the .45ACP and he loved it.
he is now looking at getting his CWP and a XD45 for home protection even though i rent out part of the house with my few guns to protect us.
i though it was rather cool. as well as the other day he told me that a co-worker who also carries was at starbucks with his son. they are talking while a large man ahead of them was ordering. the man walks away out of the store. his co-worker looked at the girl and she was just staring into space. come to find out the large man had just robbed the cashier without no one paying any attitsion.
that now gave my dad more insentive to get a pistol to carry and go to traning with me and my brother.
I never met a gun I didn't like!!
I own my own auto repair shop in Michigan and a couple of weeks ago I was in the office listening to several customers arguing over politics and then guns.This one lady,obviously very liberal stated that the availability of guns was the cause of most of the murders in this country.She was very good at debating and was quickly shredding another customer that was for guns.Being a customer of mine,I certainly did not want to offend any of the combatants,but then I just couldn't keep my mouth shut any longer.I proceeded to ask the lady,"Where is the safest place in Michigan to be at any time of the year that you know of?"Looking very puzzled at me she stated,"Well what do you mean exactly?"I said,"The north woods during firearms deer season!"She said,"I don't understand where you are coming from!"I said,"How many crimes,particularly murder occurs in the woods during deer season?""Well some hunters are killed by accident she replied!"I said,"Exactly my point!Nobody commits murder in the north woods during deer season,as a matter of fact the murders that occurred in Wisconsin a couple of years ago are the only ones I have ever even heard of!"I still don't understand what you are getting at."she repeated.I told her that I feel safer in a woods loaded with hunters,most of them total strangers and all armed to the teeth than I do on the streets of any big city in the U.S.during rush hour.I further told her that most all of the sportsmen I know of or have ever encountered,some of them obviously even drunk whenm I came upon them,never posed any threat to me so her lingo about the availability of guns was false.We also have over 200,000 CCW permit carriers here in Michigan and I have not heard of any issues with them either.She looked at me very long and hard and said,"Well,I guess I have never seen gun owners in that light,but you may have a legitimate point,I,m not sure."I don't know if I really had much of an impact on her beliefs against guns,but at least for the moment I got her to think outside the box,er magaZINE THAT IS,LOL.
I own my own auto repair shop in Michigan and a couple of weeks ago I was in the office listening to several customers arguing over politics and then guns.This one lady,obviously very liberal stated that the availability of guns was the cause of most of the murders in this country.She was very good at debating and was quickly shredding another customer that was for guns.Being a customer of mine,I certainly did not want to offend any of the combatants,but then I just couldn't keep my mouth shut any longer.I proceeded to ask the lady,"Where is the safest place in Michigan to be at any time of the year that you know of?"Looking very puzzled at me she stated,"Well what do you mean exactly?"I said,"The north woods during firearms deer season!"She said,"I don't understand where you are coming from!"I said,"How many crimes,particularly murder occurs in the woods during deer season?""Well some hunters are killed by accident she replied!"I said,"Exactly my point!Nobody commits murder in the north woods during deer season,as a matter of fact the murders that occurred in Wisconsin a couple of years ago are the only ones I have ever even heard of!"I still don't understand what you are getting at."she repeated.I told her that I feel safer in a woods loaded with hunters,most of them total strangers and all armed to the teeth than I do on the streets of any big city in the U.S.during rush hour.I further told her that most all of the sportsmen I know of or have ever encountered,some of them obviously even drunk whenm I came upon them,never posed any threat to me so her lingo about the availability of guns was false.We also have over 200,000 CCW permit carriers here in Michigan and I have not heard of any issues with them either.She looked at me very long and hard and said,"Well,I guess I have never seen gun owners in that light,but you may have a legitimate point,I,m not sure."I don't know if I really had much of an impact on her beliefs against guns,but at least for the moment I got her to think outside the box,er magaZINE THAT IS,LOL.
Warren
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I've only had the one partial success.
A friend of mine, a smart quasi-lefty journalist and Army Reserve LT, was not so hot on the masses owning firearms. He was not a flamin' anti but did have reservations about the whole concept.
So I told him that as long as governments have guns I'm going to have guns.
He thought about it for a minute or so and then decided that I was right. He based his decision on the sorts of people he had met, both as a journalist and as an Army man.
I've since lost touch with him so I don't know he still approves of the idea.
A friend of mine, a smart quasi-lefty journalist and Army Reserve LT, was not so hot on the masses owning firearms. He was not a flamin' anti but did have reservations about the whole concept.
So I told him that as long as governments have guns I'm going to have guns.
He thought about it for a minute or so and then decided that I was right. He based his decision on the sorts of people he had met, both as a journalist and as an Army man.
I've since lost touch with him so I don't know he still approves of the idea.
yes I have , 15 yrs ago she knew nothing about fire arms or even touched them , 15 yrs later she shoots in pistol leauge , life menber of the NRA and when she shops it aint for new shoes and cloths . it is a new .45 or something.... Gotta Love it
Yes. Females and males but NOT too many of them.
I have known some anti gun men too. It is not always women who are brainwashed or ignorant in these matters. I have known a few men (?) who lacked testicular fortitude... they sold and gave up their firearms even if it was only 1 or 2 of them because they married some, well, I can't say that here! FOOLS - those men were FOOLS!
I know of a former anti gun liberal MAN who got robbed while at work who turned into a so called 'conservative' (NOT really!) but he is pro gun to a DEGREE. He hangs around with some anti gun people who have some mighty strange ideas to me. Personally after reading some of their dribble since 1998 and on... I can't figure out WHY this guy wants to lie down with flea ridden dogs and get up with fleas. To each their own - I guess! You hear the same old deal from this one 'chick' that it would make you want to vomit and yet HE thinks that he is going to convert her and some of those males and females who absolutely LOATHE the gun culture, the Second Amendment along with all of the others in the Bill of Rights & Constitution. Some of them love Big Brother and all that goobmint has to offer them because they are too afraid to defend themselves... worse off think, use common sense and the brains that the good Lord gave them!
You can tell these loons that GUN FREE ZONES are a big joke and a LIE but they choose to remain clueless and brainwashed by their boob tube and the mass media. After awhile... the sheeple just irritate me and I don't waste my breath or energy on some people. Some of them have tunnel vision and WILL never 'get it'. I had one chick if not two give me a speech many years ago at a dinner party about her anti gun views... she would have been a candidate for the Million Mom bimbettes. NO offense. I had another one in my LR once - tell me that if she could shoot a rapist or killer to defend her life, if she had a firearm in her hand and was trained to use it, that she could NOT do that - defend her life or a loved one - so therefore she would just be raped and/or killed. I almost had a freaking heart attack on her views and, NO, she was not a Quaker or real pacifist! Just another one of THOSE people. I have known a few Quakers and pacifists aka C.O. people. I don't agree with them but I respect them, their views and vice versa.
I wrote a bunch of this over the years along with my views on R.C.
I don't give a hoot about making anyone pack iron if they do NOT want to own, shoot, learn a firearm worse off defend themselves. That is their choice. However it REALLY ticks me off when they want to IMPOSE their silly and nasty ANTI gun views/laws on ME or any other gun toting-Constitution believing person!
I do NOT shove a gun in their hands and they (Anti gunners/anti liberty folks.) along with the anti gun politicians should NOT TAKE ONE OUT OF MY HANDS either!!!
Catherine
I have known some anti gun men too. It is not always women who are brainwashed or ignorant in these matters. I have known a few men (?) who lacked testicular fortitude... they sold and gave up their firearms even if it was only 1 or 2 of them because they married some, well, I can't say that here! FOOLS - those men were FOOLS!
I know of a former anti gun liberal MAN who got robbed while at work who turned into a so called 'conservative' (NOT really!) but he is pro gun to a DEGREE. He hangs around with some anti gun people who have some mighty strange ideas to me. Personally after reading some of their dribble since 1998 and on... I can't figure out WHY this guy wants to lie down with flea ridden dogs and get up with fleas. To each their own - I guess! You hear the same old deal from this one 'chick' that it would make you want to vomit and yet HE thinks that he is going to convert her and some of those males and females who absolutely LOATHE the gun culture, the Second Amendment along with all of the others in the Bill of Rights & Constitution. Some of them love Big Brother and all that goobmint has to offer them because they are too afraid to defend themselves... worse off think, use common sense and the brains that the good Lord gave them!
You can tell these loons that GUN FREE ZONES are a big joke and a LIE but they choose to remain clueless and brainwashed by their boob tube and the mass media. After awhile... the sheeple just irritate me and I don't waste my breath or energy on some people. Some of them have tunnel vision and WILL never 'get it'. I had one chick if not two give me a speech many years ago at a dinner party about her anti gun views... she would have been a candidate for the Million Mom bimbettes. NO offense. I had another one in my LR once - tell me that if she could shoot a rapist or killer to defend her life, if she had a firearm in her hand and was trained to use it, that she could NOT do that - defend her life or a loved one - so therefore she would just be raped and/or killed. I almost had a freaking heart attack on her views and, NO, she was not a Quaker or real pacifist! Just another one of THOSE people. I have known a few Quakers and pacifists aka C.O. people. I don't agree with them but I respect them, their views and vice versa.
I wrote a bunch of this over the years along with my views on R.C.
I don't give a hoot about making anyone pack iron if they do NOT want to own, shoot, learn a firearm worse off defend themselves. That is their choice. However it REALLY ticks me off when they want to IMPOSE their silly and nasty ANTI gun views/laws on ME or any other gun toting-Constitution believing person!
I do NOT shove a gun in their hands and they (Anti gunners/anti liberty folks.) along with the anti gun politicians should NOT TAKE ONE OUT OF MY HANDS either!!!
Catherine
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"best way is to take fraidy cat girls to the range (girls are always curious and cautiously fearful of guns)
once you show them how it works and all that, they're converts."
Excuse me? Geesh. Let us not stereotype ladies or any other group.
Thanks and no offense.
Catherine - Armed and Female
"best way is to take fraidy cat girls to the range (girls are always curious and cautiously fearful of guns)
once you show them how it works and all that, they're converts."
Excuse me? Geesh. Let us not stereotype ladies or any other group.
Thanks and no offense.
Catherine - Armed and Female
I usually give them my views in a POLITE manner and tell them that a gun is an OBJECT and a TOOL. Same as their vehicle, boat, spoon, fork, knife, etc.
I give them the 'talk'... if they want to hear it. I don't shove it down their throats but I will DEBATE them and back it up with data, books, articles, websites, etc.
I have a very LONG list of these things along with a little thing called HISTORY.
We sure as H did not win our freedom during the American Revolution from the KING using spit balls! We had firearms, pitchforks, other tools and we used them - men and women alike!
I repeat this history to them giving them other data, quotes, and try to rid them of the public fool system of teaching along with the REWRITING of American and Worldwide History!
I do many things IF they really want to learn and I do NOT shove it down their throats.
I take them to the range if they want to learn and all kinds of things regarding firearms. I suggest classes too. Gun stores, gun books, etc. PRO GUN organizations... many of them are out there.
"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
George Santayana
Then I let them read the BELOW post by L. Neil Smith.
Yours in liberty,
Catherine
I give them the 'talk'... if they want to hear it. I don't shove it down their throats but I will DEBATE them and back it up with data, books, articles, websites, etc.
I have a very LONG list of these things along with a little thing called HISTORY.
We sure as H did not win our freedom during the American Revolution from the KING using spit balls! We had firearms, pitchforks, other tools and we used them - men and women alike!
I repeat this history to them giving them other data, quotes, and try to rid them of the public fool system of teaching along with the REWRITING of American and Worldwide History!
I do many things IF they really want to learn and I do NOT shove it down their throats.
I take them to the range if they want to learn and all kinds of things regarding firearms. I suggest classes too. Gun stores, gun books, etc. PRO GUN organizations... many of them are out there.
"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
George Santayana
Then I let them read the BELOW post by L. Neil Smith.
Yours in liberty,
Catherine
L. Neil Smith - Credit Given
http://www.lneilsmith.org/
http://www.lneilsmith.org/lns_lever.html
http://www.lneilsmith.org/whyguns.html
Why Did it Have to be ... Guns?
by L. Neil Smith
[email protected]
Over the past 30 years, I've been paid to write almost two million words, every one of which, sooner or later, came back to the issue of guns and gun-ownership. Naturally, I've thought about the issue a lot, and it has always determined the way I vote.
People accuse me of being a single-issue writer, a single- issue thinker, and a single- issue voter, but it isn't true. What I've chosen, in a world where there's never enough time and energy, is to focus on the one political issue which most clearly and unmistakably demonstrates what any politician -- or political philosophy -- is made of, right down to the creamy liquid center.
Make no mistake: all politicians -- even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership -- hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because it's an X-ray machine. It's a Vulcan mind-meld. It's the ultimate test to which any politician -- or political philosophy -- can be put.
If a politician isn't perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash -- for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything -- without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn't your friend no matter what he tells you.
If he isn't genuinely enthusiastic about his average constituent stuffing that weapon into a purse or pocket or tucking it under a coat and walking home without asking anybody's permission, he's a four-flusher, no matter what he claims.
What his attitude -- toward your ownership and use of weapons -- conveys is his real attitude about you. And if he doesn't trust you, then why in the name of John Moses Browning should you trust him?
If he doesn't want you to have the means of defending your life, do you want him in a position to control it?
If he makes excuses about obeying a law he's sworn to uphold and defend -- the highest law of the land, the Bill of Rights -- do you want to entrust him with anything?
If he ignores you, sneers at you, complains about you, or defames you, if he calls you names only he thinks are evil -- like "Constitutionalist" -- when you insist that he account for himself, hasn't he betrayed his oath, isn't he unfit to hold office, and doesn't he really belong in jail?
Sure, these are all leading questions. They're the questions that led me to the issue of guns and gun ownership as the clearest and most unmistakable demonstration of what any given politician -- or political philosophy -- is really made of.
He may lecture you about the dangerous weirdos out there who shouldn't have a gun -- but what does that have to do with you? Why in the name of John Moses Browning should you be made to suffer for the misdeeds of others? Didn't you lay aside the infantile notion of group punishment when you left public school -- or the military? Isn't it an essentially European notion, anyway -- Prussian, maybe -- and certainly not what America was supposed to be all about?
And if there are dangerous weirdos out there, does it make sense to deprive you of the means of protecting yourself from them? Forget about those other people, those dangerous weirdos, this is about you, and it has been, all along.
Try it yourself: if a politician won't trust you, why should you trust him? If he's a man -- and you're not -- what does his lack of trust tell you about his real attitude toward women? If "he" happens to be a woman, what makes her so perverse that she's eager to render her fellow women helpless on the mean and seedy streets her policies helped create? Should you believe her when she says she wants to help you by imposing some infantile group health care program on you at the point of the kind of gun she doesn't want you to have?
On the other hand -- or the other party -- should you believe anything politicians say who claim they stand for freedom, but drag their feet and make excuses about repealing limits on your right to own and carry weapons? What does this tell you about their real motives for ignoring voters and ramming through one infantile group trade agreement after another with other countries?
Makes voting simpler, doesn't it? You don't have to study every issue -- health care, international trade -- all you have to do is use this X-ray machine, this Vulcan mind-meld, to get beyond their empty words and find out how politicians really feel. About you. And that, of course, is why they hate it.
And that's why I'm accused of being a single-issue writer, thinker, and voter.
But it isn't true, is it?
Permission to redistribute this article is herewith granted by the author -- provided that it is reproduced unedited, in its entirety, and appropriate credit given.
You are here: Webley Page > Lever Action > Why Did it Have to be ... Guns?
Thank you, Mr. Smith, for your truthful and wonderful essay.
Sincerely,
Catherine - Montana
http://www.lneilsmith.org/
http://www.lneilsmith.org/lns_lever.html
http://www.lneilsmith.org/whyguns.html
Why Did it Have to be ... Guns?
by L. Neil Smith
[email protected]
Over the past 30 years, I've been paid to write almost two million words, every one of which, sooner or later, came back to the issue of guns and gun-ownership. Naturally, I've thought about the issue a lot, and it has always determined the way I vote.
People accuse me of being a single-issue writer, a single- issue thinker, and a single- issue voter, but it isn't true. What I've chosen, in a world where there's never enough time and energy, is to focus on the one political issue which most clearly and unmistakably demonstrates what any politician -- or political philosophy -- is made of, right down to the creamy liquid center.
Make no mistake: all politicians -- even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership -- hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because it's an X-ray machine. It's a Vulcan mind-meld. It's the ultimate test to which any politician -- or political philosophy -- can be put.
If a politician isn't perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash -- for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything -- without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn't your friend no matter what he tells you.
If he isn't genuinely enthusiastic about his average constituent stuffing that weapon into a purse or pocket or tucking it under a coat and walking home without asking anybody's permission, he's a four-flusher, no matter what he claims.
What his attitude -- toward your ownership and use of weapons -- conveys is his real attitude about you. And if he doesn't trust you, then why in the name of John Moses Browning should you trust him?
If he doesn't want you to have the means of defending your life, do you want him in a position to control it?
If he makes excuses about obeying a law he's sworn to uphold and defend -- the highest law of the land, the Bill of Rights -- do you want to entrust him with anything?
If he ignores you, sneers at you, complains about you, or defames you, if he calls you names only he thinks are evil -- like "Constitutionalist" -- when you insist that he account for himself, hasn't he betrayed his oath, isn't he unfit to hold office, and doesn't he really belong in jail?
Sure, these are all leading questions. They're the questions that led me to the issue of guns and gun ownership as the clearest and most unmistakable demonstration of what any given politician -- or political philosophy -- is really made of.
He may lecture you about the dangerous weirdos out there who shouldn't have a gun -- but what does that have to do with you? Why in the name of John Moses Browning should you be made to suffer for the misdeeds of others? Didn't you lay aside the infantile notion of group punishment when you left public school -- or the military? Isn't it an essentially European notion, anyway -- Prussian, maybe -- and certainly not what America was supposed to be all about?
And if there are dangerous weirdos out there, does it make sense to deprive you of the means of protecting yourself from them? Forget about those other people, those dangerous weirdos, this is about you, and it has been, all along.
Try it yourself: if a politician won't trust you, why should you trust him? If he's a man -- and you're not -- what does his lack of trust tell you about his real attitude toward women? If "he" happens to be a woman, what makes her so perverse that she's eager to render her fellow women helpless on the mean and seedy streets her policies helped create? Should you believe her when she says she wants to help you by imposing some infantile group health care program on you at the point of the kind of gun she doesn't want you to have?
On the other hand -- or the other party -- should you believe anything politicians say who claim they stand for freedom, but drag their feet and make excuses about repealing limits on your right to own and carry weapons? What does this tell you about their real motives for ignoring voters and ramming through one infantile group trade agreement after another with other countries?
Makes voting simpler, doesn't it? You don't have to study every issue -- health care, international trade -- all you have to do is use this X-ray machine, this Vulcan mind-meld, to get beyond their empty words and find out how politicians really feel. About you. And that, of course, is why they hate it.
And that's why I'm accused of being a single-issue writer, thinker, and voter.
But it isn't true, is it?
Permission to redistribute this article is herewith granted by the author -- provided that it is reproduced unedited, in its entirety, and appropriate credit given.
You are here: Webley Page > Lever Action > Why Did it Have to be ... Guns?
Thank you, Mr. Smith, for your truthful and wonderful essay.
Sincerely,
Catherine - Montana
I always like to remind people about those riots in the late 60's and on into this day and age. NOT counting natural weather disasters and other things that would come down the road in "political issues".
Those incidents sure changed some people's minds!
Catherine
Those incidents sure changed some people's minds!
Catherine
atek3
Member
Hmm, my ex-gf was totally anti when we started dating. I took her shooting. Now she owns a remington 870... I'd call that a conversion.
I've gotten several "on the fencers", people w/o guns but not anti, to purchase guns.
I've planted the seed of doubt in the minds of the 50 or so anti's I've taken to the range. Time well spent IMHO.
atek3
I've gotten several "on the fencers", people w/o guns but not anti, to purchase guns.
I've planted the seed of doubt in the minds of the 50 or so anti's I've taken to the range. Time well spent IMHO.
atek3
Have I ever tried to outlaw something of yours because I don't like or do it?
American's have a basic civil right to do what they please, if others don't like that they have the right not to do it. I think you can buy a video from the History channel to see how prohibition screwed up the US.
American's have a basic civil right to do what they please, if others don't like that they have the right not to do it. I think you can buy a video from the History channel to see how prohibition screwed up the US.
Only one or two, and they're weren't the hardcore deep down hate gun types.
My fiancee was afraid of guns, but over the last year or so she's changed. Now she shoots rifles and wants to try some of the action shooting stuff with me once we get her a pistol that fits her incredibly tiny hands.
I almost got my dad too. He hates guns on a philosophical level, and thinks there's way too many of them around. I got him to go to the range, and much to his chagrin he enjoyed the heck out of it. Damn good shot for it being his first time (he took my to a range once when I was 12 because I wouldn't shut up about trying it out, but didn't try it himself). I've had him out a few times, but mostly he does it to spend time with me.
I don't think his views have changed, but at least he doesn't go on with the Brady rhetoric all the time anymore. Small victories, small victories.
My fiancee was afraid of guns, but over the last year or so she's changed. Now she shoots rifles and wants to try some of the action shooting stuff with me once we get her a pistol that fits her incredibly tiny hands.
I almost got my dad too. He hates guns on a philosophical level, and thinks there's way too many of them around. I got him to go to the range, and much to his chagrin he enjoyed the heck out of it. Damn good shot for it being his first time (he took my to a range once when I was 12 because I wouldn't shut up about trying it out, but didn't try it himself). I've had him out a few times, but mostly he does it to spend time with me.
I don't think his views have changed, but at least he doesn't go on with the Brady rhetoric all the time anymore. Small victories, small victories. No hardcore types
Honestly I don't think I've ever met a hardcore anti in North Dakota. I'm sure there are a few on campus.
I've converted a lot of fence sitter though.
I agree with most the "if you take them to the range it will seal the deal" After a good range trip (starting with a .22lr and working up) they all have a good time. For some reason they ALL just love the AR It's actually gotten to the point where I bring along another couple loaded mags because they run through all the ammo they bought and want to shoot more.
Up here it must of been some macho dribble in the 60's and 70's to take your wife/gf out to the range and give her a .270 or 300 mag and say "here dear, shoot this" then chuckle with your buddies when she is freaked out by the recoil and noise.
This is what my dad did to my mom
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Took me about 10 years to get her out to the range and convince her all guns didn't do that. Now she is considering buying a gun.
Honestly I don't think I've ever met a hardcore anti in North Dakota. I'm sure there are a few on campus.
I've converted a lot of fence sitter though.
I agree with most the "if you take them to the range it will seal the deal" After a good range trip (starting with a .22lr and working up) they all have a good time. For some reason they ALL just love the AR
It's actually gotten to the point where I bring along another couple loaded mags because they run through all the ammo they bought and want to shoot more. Up here it must of been some macho dribble in the 60's and 70's to take your wife/gf out to the range and give her a .270 or 300 mag and say "here dear, shoot this" then chuckle with your buddies when she is freaked out by the recoil and noise.
This is what my dad did to my mom
. Took me about 10 years to get her out to the range and convince her all guns didn't do that. Now she is considering buying a gun.
Titan6
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A couple of times. This is hard work and requires a lot of paitence. You can't ever force the issue or it won't work, the person has to come to the realization on their own.
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