Anyone ever need to draw their CCW?

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I appreciate this thread. I carry constantly. I've not had any training but I read what I can. Had a friend or two teach me a few things, like room clearing. I can clear the house atleast. And I practice my draw and such. I was a ccdw instructor for the state, which means I know a most of the laws regarding the use of force. It doesn't teach you tactics. But a little thought and common sense helps a lot to keep you aware.

I can't afford to take self defence classes, but I can afford a book or two. Any other suggestions on books?

And if you think " you can't afford not to do a class", It's not like I have 2k and am stingy.... I just plain don't have the money. Nor do I have the ability to travel currently.
 
I've unbuttoned my shirt once or twice, but have never had to draw or display the gun. I regularly cross the street or turn around, though, as I assume that especially in California, producing - let alone using - a gun is liable to ruin my life.
 
The only time that I've had to unholster for potential SD was when I was out walking one evening after dusk and the local coyotes (the four-legged variety) got too close for my comfort; I finished my walk with a Streamlight in one hand and a G19 in t'other while they shadowed me (or so it seemed) down the creekbed paralleling my path.

Ran into a bobcat last week after dinner, but didn't even bother to draw and make ready - he was clearly hot and heading for the stream, and I was of no apparent interest.
 
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Bazoo said:
Had a friend or two teach me a few things, like room clearing. I can clear the house atleast.
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With friends like that you don't need enemies. You should search "room clearing" here and read the threads. Where did your friends learn this skill?
 
same'ol said:
Incidently, I learned a few things from this occurance:

Some people maintain that under stress you will revert to an isosoles stance regardless of your training. This was not true, as I subconsciously went into the Weaver I have always trained in.

Under stress such as this, I found that, in spite of all my training, it was very difficult to make the front sight my primary focus, instead of the mouth full of teeth.

So the effects of stress versus training was a mixed bag for me.
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Interesting point. I've always been a big proponent of learning to point shoot. I find it better to not try to fight what the body naturally wants to do under stress. Instead, learn to use that to your advantage. Front sight focus is the way to go for precision shooting over a bit of distance but at closer range under stress point shooting is the way to go.
 
Jeff White said:
With friends like that you don't need enemies. You should search "room clearing" here and read the threads. Where did your friends learn this skill?
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The army. We used to practice doing two man clearing. He had trained on it, and taught me the fundamentals.
 
Bazoo said:
The army. We used to practice doing two man clearing. He had trained on it, and taught me the fundamentals
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Ok, please go read the threads on clearing buildings. If your friend really knows a lot about the subject he would tell you not to try it alone. There is a lot more involved then learning to pie a corner.
 
I know that it's best to not try it alone or at all if given a choice. Sometimes though you don't have a choice.

What would you have me do? Call the cops every time I come home and find the house was left unlocked? How many times does that happen before the cops don't take you seriously anymore? Or do you not clear the house and just assume everything is fine like the last time? Or what?

I'm glad to read a thread on the matter if you can point me to them. I have no idea how to find them though. Or which one you think would benefit me.
 
Bazoo said:
I know that it's best to not try it alone or at all if given a choice. Sometimes though you don't have a choice.
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The only time you do not have a choice is wen you know that going in is immediately necessary because a loved one is at risk inside.

Bazoo said:
What would you have me do? Call the cops every time I come home and find the house was left unlocked?
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If you return to find your house open and you have reason to suspect that someone may be inside who should not be, do not enter.

Get away from there, and yes, call the police.

Wy? TO STAY ALIVE.

W have had cozens of threads on this in the past dozen years.

I can't to find any now. Perhaps someone else can help
 
I don't disagree at all, if I suspected the house had been broken into.

But if it merely is unlocked because of a probable oversight, I think it's perfectly fine to clear your own house. First, you know the house, the hiding spots and best way to clear it. Second if there was an intruder, you have an advantage in that he likely is untrained also. And unless he meant to ambush you, likely you would startle him.

I certainly don't think if you suspect a home invasion / burglary that you should proceed to clear the house.
 
Bazoo said:
But if it merely is unlocked because of a probable oversight, I think it's perfectly fine to clear your own house.
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Previous threads recounted numerous FoF exercises in house clearing. The 'hunters' even highly trained persons who knew the layout--were killed almost every time.

The conclusion was that when someone tried it alone and survived unharmed, it was because there had been no one there.
 
whughett said:
No and in the state of Florida if you draw it you’d best use it. Flashing a firearm has mandatory minimum prison sentences. Florida does have a law covering “accidentally” display.
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Florida’s statutes make brandishing legal, if it is within reason and in response to a perceived threat.
 
pairof44sp said:
Florida’s statutes make brandishing legal, if it is within reason and in response to a perceived threat.
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That is sufficently imprecise to require comment.

One may produce a firearm in Florida if the circumstances would justify the actual use of the firearm.

That does not mean that the defender, once having drawn, must shoot, because the circumstances may have change.
 
I wish the people who think the police are the answer to nearly every scenario live in a county like mine.

You call them, best case you see them in 45 minutes but it’ll likely be twice that. Then it will be one guy. I know of one time they were called at 10pm, at 11am they came to get a statement.

At least our sheriff is pro gun, here is a quote from him during the last election. “I support you guys, I think everyone should carry they piece. You never know when you may need it.”
this was after reminding us to our “piece” clean, because last time he (the sheriff) needed his it would fire because he hadn’t cleaned it in well over a year.


Sometimes, if something is to get done you must do it.


Thankfully to answer the OP’s question, I’ve never needed to draw any weapon in defense, I pray that never changes.
 
DeepSouth said:
I wish the people who think the police are the answer to nearly every scenario live in a county like mine.
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I spent my entire LE career in a rural county like yours. The police are still a better answer to most scenarios then doing it yourself.

DeepSouth said:
Sometimes, if something is to get done you must do it.
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This is true everywhere. Response times in the city can be pretty long too. The key is knowing when to do it yourself and when to wait for the authorities. This is likely going to be different in every situation even in the same location. No one is saying always wait for the police or never draw. What is being said is educate yourself so you can make the right decision if the situation is forced on you.

I don't understand why people take so much offense when someone posts a reminder that "brandishing" can be illegal. You guys forget that there are a lot more people reading this forum then those of us participating in the thread. This thread will show up in search results from google or other search engines. At one time you had to be a registered member to view this sub-forum. We did away with that years ago and now anyone can read what's posted here. Right now there are 188 members reading THR and 1100 guests. Reminders about making sure you know what you can legally do to defend yourself are aimed at those guests. We don't know who they are, we don't anything about their backgrounds like we do many of the members here (because they have chosen to share them here). We don't want the random person surfing in, reading posts and then maybe getting themselves in trouble because they don't have the background to take these threads in context. THR isn't a private club. The things that are posted here are in the public domain and anyone who wants can read them. That is why this sub-forum and Legal are moderated differently then the other sub-forums. We deal with serious subjects in these two sub-forums and we have a certain responsibility to take the lurkers into account.
 
Kleanbore said:
Previous threads recounted numerous FoF exercises in house clearing. The 'hunters' even highly trained persons who knew the layout--were killed almost every time.

The conclusion was that when someone tried it alone and survived unharmed, it was because there had been no one there.
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I don't doubt this at all. But I'm not talking about clearing a house with folks laying in wait for you. Rather, the occasional unlocked door or bump in the night where most likely there is nothing, and if there were a person to be found, they would be untrained and caught off guard.
 
Jeff White said:
I spent my entire LE career in a rural county like yours. The police are still a better answer to most scenarios then doing it yourself.



This is true everywhere. Response times in the city can be pretty long too. The key is knowing when to do it yourself and when to wait for the authorities. This is likely going to be different in every situation even in the same location. No one is saying always wait for the police or never draw. What is being said is educate yourself so you can make the right decision if the situation is forced on you.

I don't understand why people take so much offense when someone posts a reminder that "brandishing" can be illegal. You guys forget that there are a lot more people reading this forum then those of us participating in the thread. This thread will show up in search results from google or other search engines. At one time you had to be a registered member to view this sub-forum. We did away with that years ago and now anyone can read what's posted here. Right now there are 188 members reading THR and 1100 guests. Reminders about making sure you know what you can legally do to defend yourself are aimed at those guests. We don't know who they are, we don't anything about their backgrounds like we do many of the members here (because they have chosen to share them here). We don't want the random person surfing in, reading posts and then maybe getting themselves in trouble because they don't have the background to take these threads in context. THR isn't a private club. The things that are posted here are in the public domain and anyone who wants can read them. That is why this sub-forum and Legal are moderated differently then the other sub-forums. We deal with serious subjects in these two sub-forums and we have a certain responsibility to take the lurkers into account.
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I can agree with all of that, I’ll also say I’m guilty as charged with that last paragraph. I’ve read similar postings before but honestly haven’t really put together like you just laid it out. Thank you for that and I’ll try do a better job of remembering that in the future.

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Kleanbore said:
Please do.
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No, but the second paragraph of post #47 may be helpful.
 
Working in rural law enforcement gave me the "opportunity" to clear structures alone. The biggest one was a middle school in a small town. The alarm went off and I discovered an open door when I arrived. The two deputies on duty were tied up on a domestic 20 miles away and the nearest state trooper was three counties away. The custodian was the key holder. He watched the open door while I cleared the building. I guarantee you that had anyone been in that building who wanted to harm me I wouldn't be here relating the story. It's not like I had no training or experience. I served 20 years in the Army Infantry and have SWAT training and had served on a tactical team. I do not advise it if you have a choice.

Bazoo said:
if there were a person to be found, they would be untrained and caught off guard.
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"They may be booger eaters, but they are booger eaters with guns". Master Sergeant (Ret) Paul Howe former member of the US Army Combat Applications Group, more commonly known as Delta Force in his book Leadership and Training for the Fight. Plenty of highly trained and experienced soldiers, cops and private citizens have been killed by untrained and surprised people. In fact, one can often predict what a trained person would do in a given scenario. The untrained person is often a bigger threat.
 
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