Anyone own a Mosin Sniper??

[Averageman]

Does anyone here own one of these?
I'm interested in knowing the accuracy and fit and finish before putting my money on it.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
A/M

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/com...osin-nagant-sniper-rifle-detail.html?Itemid=0

WWII Russian Model 1891/30 PU 7.62 x 54R caliber Sniper Rifles. 1943-44 dated Rifles manufactured by Izhevsk and arsenal refurbished post WWII. Complete with Authentic PU Scope & Mount date of production may vary . Incredible opportunity to buy a Real WWII Russian Sniper Rifle. Barrel condition may vary and would be rated NRA Antique Gun Rating Very good or better . Includes Scope covers and Electro penciled scope base . Wood will be rated NRA Very Good or better, markings and exact date codes will vary rifle to rifle most numbers will match . This is a great chance to own a piece of history. We are not offering Hand Pick or custom selections & may not come with lens covers. 5/4


The rifles are original sniper rifles that went back into the arsenals after the war and had varying degrees of re-arsenaling work done . They may have had force matched scopes or other parts at the factory & then stored in Russian Arsenals for the next Big Conflict. You may see some parts changed out or find or even a re-match where the designation # on the rifle has been re-struck to match it to the scope that it has been Re-Arsenal mated with. Scopes will have original stamped #'s but mount plates may be electro-penciled to match the rifle that the scope is mated with. This was common in the Post War Russian and Allied Arsenals mothballing the rifles for the future .These rifles are not cosmetically re-finished and the external condition as well as bore condition will vary from rifle to rifle. Generally the rifles are running at about NRA surplus very good condition and somewhere around 80% to 85 % of new.

 

[LAGS]

I have had several Sniper Mosin Nagants over the years.
Most shoot good, but none were true Original Factory Made Snipers.
They were like most Surplus, They were built from original Surplus parts, and re-serial numbered to look like they were some match set..
A couple were just the standard beater rifle with a Bent bolt and a scope mount mounted on them.
The Question is, What are you buying it for ?
A shooter, or as a True Colector peice ?

 

[Averageman]

Well I would like to have an example of as many WWII weapons as I can.
I was intrigued that these were sent back to the arsenal and rebuilt and put in storage.
I wont own a gun I wont shoot, I tend to clean them up get them in good shape with minor refinishing and refitting of missing parts, then find a pet load.
Most of my shooters are the Garands I have, I haven't shot my '03 A3 or Arisaka yet, but only because of other pet projects being ahead of them.
So what I am looking for is another project gun with some history and an ability to be a fine shooter.

 

[LAGS]

The surplus rifles have some tie to history, but Little Historical Value.
But they are nice to have around to let us know where what we have today , came from.
But I like how the adds for these rifles always say Collectable.
That means they want to sell you several so you have the collection.

 

[hooligan169]

I have one. Mine was sent back to the arsenal and lost its scope, mount, and bent bolt. The receiver was plugged (welded). I paid a little extra for it hoping for the better accuracy. I have not shot it in awhile, but remember it grouping well. I ended up scout scoping it due to the heavy recoil. I may just end up putting a peep sight on it.

I could easily have it converted back to full sniper configuration, but it would not be numbers matching. It would still be an interesting shooter.

 

[TIMC]

I have a reproduction sniper that is deadly accurate. The rifle is dated 1943 and the scope is a very nice reproduction made in the Ukraine. She was good enough to do a head shot in this swine at 100 yards!

 

[justin 561]

FWIW, unless you are just interested in the historical look, I still can't justify the $649 for a $100 91/30 with a pe repo scope/mount. I went the route of buying a Finnish M39 and put a Jmeck NO drill/tap mount on it. This way I know I get a fantastic shooter (I have owned 7 M39s and never a bad shooter), great looking stock, and a better investment for the money as far as collectible mosins go. The mount and scope have held their zero for over 2 years now with well over 5-6 spam cans through it.

 

[bluekouki86]

I've got a tula ex-sniper that I refitted with an original soviet scope and mount. It is a great shooter, and a handy rifle to have around.

 

[TIMC]

I still can't justify the $649 for a $100 91/30 with a pe repo scope/mount.

Glad my life isn't ruled by thoughts like that, I wouldn't have 3/4 of the collection I do today!

Why does it have to be justified, I'll never get that one; Doesn't just cause I want it count?

 

[justin 561]

Glad my life isn't ruled by thoughts like that, I wouldn't have 3/4 of the collection I do today!

Why does it have to be justified, I'll never get that one; Doesn't just cause I want it count?

I think you may have taken my post the wrong way..I didn't tell him not to get it, just giving him another opinion. If you feel you want to pay $649 + shipping and transfer for a rifle that normally costs $100 and a reproduction scope mount that costs $150 new, go for it, I was just giving my opinion that I wouldn't. There is a different choice if he wants to go the scoped mosin route, that is why I mentioned the Fin M39 and Jmeck scope mount and bent bolt that could be easily had for $470 and be a better collectable/example of a great historical rifle (not the mount and scope, but rifle). I am all for buying rifles others may brush off, but I am also for getting the best bang for my buck. If you took my comment as a dig at his choice or you somehow think I told him not to buy it (not sure where I said that) then I am sorry. I was just giving him a cheaper and in my eyes better option.

 

[bluekouki86]

You obviously have never dealt with real vs. repro pu scopes. The real deal (while not a great optic) is far beyond better than the reproductions. I spend $300 for original soviet scope, base, and mount. Add a $79 ex-sniper and you have a sub $400 91/30 sniper. Its not numbers matching, but it is an authentic soviet sniper.

 

[DPris]

I have a '43 sniper with, near as we can tell, an arsenal-matched 1944 Russian PU scope.
Mount appears correct, it is not a later cobbled-together piece.
The scope was possibly not the one originally issued with the rifle, but serials match & if it was not the original, it was mounted during a later refurb by the Russians, either during or after WWII.
Serials match elsewhere.

There are all sorts & degrees of Soviet sniper Mosins in varying conditions of originality.
Just because it may have a Russian scope or Russian mount with "forced" serial matches doesn't mean it was not a genuine sniper rifle.

Mine averages about 2 inches at 100 yards with good surplus, has done 1 5/16 inches with a commercial load.
Denis

 

[Averageman]

According to the ad it isnt a reproduction scope.
These are supposed to be arsenal rebuilds with all Soviet equipment.

 

[TIMC]

According to the ad it isnt a reproduction scope.
These are supposed to be arsenal rebuilds with all Soviet equipment.

Could be misleading, My scope is soviet made at the same factory they were produced in WWII so they said. I guess technically you could say mine is a modern built original if you wanted to skirt the repro thing.

Doesn't really matter, it looks and works the same and the glass is very clear so I'm very happy with it.

 

[rondog]

I'm far too skeptical to believe what some ad is telling me. Just exactly how are you supposed to know that it's a REAL PU scope & mount and not a repro? You won't know until it's in your hands, and maybe not even then. Refund or exchange? Um, yeah, maybe.

There sure seems to be a helluva lot of "WWII Mosin snipers" out there on the market, just how many did they really make?

Personally, I'd be happy if I could afford the buy the PU scope and mount kit from Accumount and put that on my 1938 91/30. I've heard good reports about those, but I can't afford it and I'm also skeptical of a company that refuses to communicate via phone, won't give out a phone #, and only answers email if he feels like it. Supposedly good products, but you can't ask questions to insure you're ordering the right thing. A quandary.

 

[Ian]

They made a ton of them - more than 200,000, IIRC. The reproduction ones have gotten good enough that it can be tricky to tell real from repro unless you are really familiar with them.

FWIW, I think the PU 91/30 is a fairly miserable gun. The scope is high enough that you can't get a cheek weld, I don't really like the scope, the triggers are "meh", and so on. The Soviets mass-produced sniper rifles to arm their huge sniper corps, and the rifles don't exhibit the really nice attention to detail that other nations' sniper rifles do. They are better than standard production 91/30s, true, but not nice enough for them to seem like a really appealing shooter to me. I do appreciate the historical aspect, but I think I would rather drop sniper-rifle money on something that will be a really sweet shooter in addition to a historical artifact.

 

[bluekouki86]

Hard to tell if it is original equipment without seeing the rifle first. All WWII era optics have the hammer and sickle, and year of manufacture. Most show significant wear...something that would make a new optic stand out like a shiny new sore thumb.