Anyone refuse to get a carry permit?

[gym]

Unless I am mistaken, he can own a pistol and take it from his home to his car, and car to his business, an back to his home. As long as he owns the home, business and car. He just can't walk around with it unless it's in his home or business. In his car he also must have it in a holster or in a compartment, complying with the 2 step policy. That's the way it used to be, and unless it's changed should still be that way. The permit is for "carry" in all other places. The law also said that "common grounds" are tricky" because if you needed to cross property you didn't own, on the way to your vechicle, it's like splitting hairs. More for a "condo" situation.

It is lawful to possess a concealed firearm for self-defense or other lawful purposes within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the firearm is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use.


A firearm other than a handgun may be carried anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful use.

This exemption does not authorize the carrying of a firearm concealed on the person.

An application for a license to carry a handgun concealed is made to the Department of Agriculture. The license is valid for five years and is honored throughout the state. The application shall be completed, under oath, on a form promulgated by the Department of Agriculture and shall include the applicant's name, address, place and date of birth, race, and occupation.

 

[wishin]

There's roughly 285,000 permit holder in TN, at $115 a pop. That's about $32.8 million. I'd say they do care and it is vital funds in this economy. I didn't even factor in the renewal income.

In the scheme of things, with TN annual revenues of almost $12B, that's chump change.

 

[jcwit]

Just a thought here. Are some on this thread advocating or condoning breaking the law by not getting a permit or license to carry while carring?

Not very High Road, predict theres a lock coming.

 

[NavyLCDR]

What really lights me on fire about this subject is that there are so many people in states like Florida, Texas, Oklahoma and Georgia (to name just those at the top of my memory) who consider it no infringement upon their rights at all that they are REQUIRED to pay the state a tax to obtain the state's permission to carry a firearm. There simply is no provision in those states to allow a person to carry a firearm without paying the state for the privilege to and yet they consider it as still exercising their rights to carry concealed with a permit.

Hopefully the US Supreme Court cases this year will put an end to that and there will have to be some provision made for anybody to be able to carry in some manner without a permit. Thank about it - what happened when people used to have to pay a poll tax in order to vote. Carrying a gun is no different than voting.

 

[gym]

I found the statute and entered it into my existting post, this is Florida law only. I don't know what your state laws are, and in no way am giving advice.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

Carrying a gun is no different than voting.

NavyLT,you ever try to vote without being registered?

 

[wishin]

......

by NavyLT: Carrying a gun is no different than voting.

Maybe just a little different.

 

[bababooey32]

What really lights me on fire about this subject is that there are so many people in states like Florida, Texas, Oklahoma and Georgia (to name just those at the top of my memory) who consider it no infringement upon their rights at all that they are REQUIRED to pay the state a tax to obtain the state's permission to carry a firearm.

First of all, I will suggest that most CCL holders in the states you mention would much prefer not to pay said tax, nor have to apply for a permit to exercise their rights. That, however, is a far cry from illegally carrying a gun without the currently required tax/permit.

I might not like it, but it is not so egregious as to be worth the hassle to disobey it, in my opinion. YMMV.

My CCL costs me about $30/yr plus a $100 course once every 5 years. Total of $50/yr to cary my gun. That's less than the registration on my car, far less than my property taxes, less than my annual sales tax bill and, frankly, less than a decent lunch for 2.

I'm more concerned about places like CA, IL, NY where the citizenry seems perfectly happy with the much more restrictive gun laws that, in many cases, completely preclude them from owning a weapon, nonetheless carry one. In THOSE locations, tehre is a much better case for "self-permitting"!

 

[AIM]

Sam stated it very well +1

Arlin

 

[ForumSurfer]

Do you also have an aphorism about whether it's better to lose your left testicle or your right?

Definitely better to lose the right one. I lost the left one in a motorcycle wreck and I can no longer say, "Boy, I'd give my left nut to own one of those."

Coincidentally, the state has a price list on body parts and you'd be surprised at exactly what your left nut would buy.

I'm a government employee and I work on many different agencies' systems, so I have my prints, photos and what have you on all sorts of databases. I can either deal with it or find other work. Truthfully, it doesn't bother me that much. If you've ever worked for Uncle Sam, you have fingerprints in the system somewhere. So yes, I paid my unfair $90 and I have a CCW permit. I don't like open carry even though it is legal here, because imho it makes you into a target in one aspect. That's attention I don't need. Yes, you will ward off many would be aggressors, but to someone somewhere you'd be a target. Besides, I don't care for the affect open carry has on some liberal weenies or the frightened, confused look on some children. And carrying concealed illegally? No thank you. I'm a parent and knowingly committing a felony (in my state), jeopardizing my job and jeopardizing my child's welfare all because I want to make a statement no one will hear or care about...for me that just seems like a poor decision for me to make as a father IMHO.

 

[Sam1911]

There's roughly 285,000 permit holder in TN, at $115 a pop. That's about $32.8 million. I'd say they do care and it is vital funds in this economy. I didn't even factor in the renewal income.

In the scheme of things, with TN annual revenues of almost $12B, that's chump change.

Not only that, but at a renewal period of about 5 years (guess), that actually works out to a yearly income of more like $6.56 million, assuming all your numbers are right.

And you're going to withold your $115 from that? (Yawn...) Or are you going to organize a mass boycot? Yeah, that might get their attention. If you think they'll care about 0.05% of their state budget going astray if you got every single permit holder to stop paying, which is not terribly likely. Not considering the administrative costs they WON'T have to pay if all those folks don't apply, so the number is probably more like 0.005% of the budget... what was the point again?

It's also pretty funny to see folks on the one hand who (in general) will rail about how the government hates to allow the citizens to carry weapons turn around and (again, in general) claim that the government will be sad to stop having to give us their blessing to do so.

-Sam

 

[razorback2003]

We Have to Get Permits In TN

I can understand people not wanting to get a permit/license in states where open carry and/or car carry is legal without a license such as in Louisiana.

For us to legally carry a handgun loaded off our own property/business (unless hunting, target shooting, fishing, etc) in Tennessee, we must have a permit to be legal. We cannot have a loaded handgun in our car without a permit. We cannot carry an openly holstered loaded handgun. Both would probably get us charged with 'intent to go armed'. You will usually get a misdemeanor summons and possibly your gun confiscated (depending on the police officer) and have to show up for court. If you are convicted of either the Class C or Class A Misdemeanor, you'll have to pay a fine and probably have your gun taken by the court. No it is not the end of the world lose the right to vote or own a gun in Tennessee, but it is a big hassle that costs more than the permit.

I've known old timers back in the day in Arkansas who didn't mess with permits because there was no such thing...but that was different times. Police used to leave people alone who were clean cut and not causing problems who may have been carrying a weapon...and that's the way these old timers were. Now, to show you are clean cut, so to speak, you need the license or permit in many states to avoid being arrested. Kinda stinks but that's the way it is to avoid being hassled by the system and paying a lot more than the license or permit.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

Open carry without a permit is legal in Alabama and you can carry most any place not posted but you must walk,ride a bicycle,motorcycle or horse to get there. If you get into a vehicle while carrying you are required to have a pistol permit.

 

[EddieNFL]

I just didn't care for the fact that FL wants my fingerprints in order to get the CCW. I am not a criminal, so why should I subject myself to criminal treatment in order to exercise my 2A rights when no crime has been committed? Maybe a two or three night stay in county should become a requirement to getting the permit as well.

I've forgotten how many times I've been fingerprinted by the DoD and they have my DNA on file. I'm not real worried about the state of FL.

My CCL cost be about $30/yr plus a $100 course once every 5 years.

Renewal is $65 for seven years in FL (used to be five). Not sure what the original fee is. No requirement for retraining.

 

[EddieNFL]

Open carry without a permit is legal in Alabama and you can carry most any place not posted but you must walk,ride a bicycle,motorcycle or horse to get there. If you get into a vehicle while carrying you are required to have a pistol permit.

And God forbid, do not carry a knife. Never have understood that.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

And God forbid, do not carry a knife.

Just about everyone does though. Every teenage boy has one clipped to his pocket.

 

[CoRoMo]

I respect his choice but damn... a hundred bucks for the permit is pretty inexpensive when you consider what'll happen if he ever uses the gun.

This. No matter the extent of infringement upon our rights, it's always worth it to jump through those stupid hoops in order to exercise that right. I have the right, it is an infringed right, and I will abide by the law to exercise it.

If it were beset upon us to purchase and retain a free speech permit, I suppose I'd acquire one rather than violate the law when I exercise my 1st Amendment right.

 

[danprkr]

I go back and forth on this one. I see his point, the 2nd amendment is our carry permit - period end of story.

But, the costs of not complying are such that you have to weigh them against the good you could with a permit.

So I can respect his principals, but for me it's so far been a battle I have chosen not to fight.

 

[Ala Dan]

Just got my Alabama handgun concealed carry license renewed yesterday, March 1, 2010~!

I'm safe for another year~!

 

[eye5600]

We all have to fight against deceiving ourselves when strong emotions are involved. Lots of people accept a simple interpretation of the Second Amendment mostly because 1) that would let them do what they want, 2) save them time and money, and 3) they have never studied constitutional law. Scalia, the author of the Heller decision, said of the 2A "no one ever said the right couldn't be regulated." The "2A is all the permit I need" line of thinking is similar to some cockamamie theory that you don't have to pay income tax; in both cases you may get away with it for a while, but if/when you get caught, the Law is going come down on you hard.

The real problems with gun control are on the state legislature and big city levels. Local political action can be very effective. That's why the other side keeps referring to politicians being afraid of the NRA. They really mean they are afraid of being voted out of office.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

Laws,even unconstitutional laws, are enforcable unless and until struck down by federal court.

 

[ArmedBear]

I don't need a permit to carry a gun in Idaho -- just about anywhere I want, including the downtown Library. I need a permit to conceal a weapon in city limits.

While I might have a solid RKBA reason to object to a permit to own, or carry, a gun for protection, I can't necessarily object to a permit to hide a loaded gun in town. Also, the CWL allows me to conceal anything, so it helps with steering clear of the oddball knife laws that exist in just about every state, a relic of frontier days I think.

That doesn't mean I agree with any infringement at all. I just don't have as strong a principled objection to a license to conceal within city limits, as I do to an effective total ban on self-defense with a firearm in public (as in California and several other states).

 

[dom1104]

Exactly Jimmyray.


Pick what hill you want to die on. That one is not it for me.

Pay your taxes. Including on your carry permit.

Even the Bible says to pay taxes wether you agree with them or not.

Bible > 2nd Amendment

 

[NavyLCDR]

This. No matter the extent of infringement upon our rights, it's always worth it to jump through those stupid hoops in order to exercise that right. I have the right, it is an infringed right, and I will abide by the law to exercise it.

1. I have a Washinton CPL. I have done what I have to do to legally carry a loaded gun in my vehicle and to coneal my gun if I so choose, although I normally exercise my right to open carry which does not require a license.

2. However, I do NOT consider it exercising a right to carry a concealed hangun and I do NOT consider it exercising a right to carry a loaded gun in my vehicle in Washington state.

I think that is where we have gone way off track. Many people consider an action that they have paid a state a fee to perform as exercising a right. No - if we're exercising our rights we would be performing that action without having to pay or obtain permission to do so. What we are doing is engaging in a privilege that we have paid the state to engage in.

At this point in time, I don't feel the need to exercise my rights against the government's efforts to infringe upon them. That time may come in the future, who knows... but right now it seems as if the tide is changing and we are getting more and more infringements upon our rights removed. So, for me personally, I will pay the state to be afforded the privileges associated with that payment and I cannot begrudge anyone else for doing so - nor can I fault the person who says this is B.S. and I am going to truly exercise my right without paying or asking permission - more power to them!

I just wish we would call a spade a spade - call a privilege a privilege.

 

[CoRoMo]

Yeah, I agree. I was very tempted to use the 'p' word in my post. I just can't refer to it as the 2nd Amendment privilege. Like you mentioned in #29, many people, in far too many states, have absolutely no right whatsoever to bear arms. They only have the privilege once permission is granted.