anyone shot a Magnum 500?
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Geronimo45
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Render the engine inoperable? With a handgun?
I'm pretty sure that .30-06 wouldn't be able to do that.
I'm pretty sure that .30-06 wouldn't be able to do that.
loki.fish
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.500 S&W will do some damage in the engine compartment. But the round itself won't penetrate into the actual engine block. There's a huge difference between .500 S&W and .50BMG. The main being that .50BMG is flying twice as fast, if not faster, than the .500S&W. I have a .50AE Desert Eagle and I guarantee you it will not penetrate an engine block....and it's a .50 cal. Just because it's a .50 cal doesn't mean it can do what a .50BMG could. If you keep with that theory....wouldn't 9mm be better than 5.56 nate since 9mm is a .30 cal and 5.56 is a .22 cal?
Vairochana
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Frez will tell us that a .50 round ball will take out an engine block next..
SnWnMe
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So how come my 22 does not puncture my hand like it punctures a target?
KaceCoyote
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The ratio of Diameter to force is whats important here.
Troutman
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According to this article it can.
http://www.vpc.org/graphics/S&W500%20final.pdf
I have not tried it on a B.B.V. One should not buy this handgun for that sole purpose. Unless, of course, the guys name, wearing it, is Dr. Evil.
I shot through solid concrete (about 4 inches) with it, though. Melons, jugs, and pumpkins don’t do it for me. Not in that context, anyway. I like to test on real world situations (objects). Yes, it will tear up an engine compartment... Engine blocks, most are not made like they were in the 60’, 70’s... Cars for that matter as well. If this is done, you have to live in a city where it’s isolated. And make sure you disconnect the fuel line and an emptied gas tank with the gas cap OFF (fumes), junked vehicle. Try using hard casts’. Unlike the human form, their are things that do change. You have to love those that design (engineers) those engines to be mounted in sideways, today’s composite materials. Can you say, “Cuts like butter”?
From my experiences with the 500, 4 inch, it’s not a firearm to take lightly, the power that is in ones hands. And this is for any high-powered magnum (above a .454). You can buy reduce loads for it, as well as those concrete busters. As for recoil, like pain, it’s subjective. For me, the recoil is manageable, even without a glove with full loads. And no it’s not like shooting a .22, as far as recoil is concerned…. Note: I believe (I noticed when I shoot) the muzzle comp. (when left on) helps for rapid shooting (D.A), more so, than S.A.mode...Also, another note: I always see at ranges and see on videos, how those who shoot the 500, all or most shoot in S.A. mode. Me…If you want to learn how to dive (scuba)…Jump into the ocean…. Not a pool.
I do carry it as my C.H./hunting/home (among others) defense firearm... Just like that retro “American Express” commercial with Karl Malden on cable TV. “Don’t leave home without it”. This gun is not for everyone (desire to own/carry). There is a big difference between the 4 inch models and the 6 inch and longer, as for the size and concealable ability. With the latter in mind, go with the 2-3/4 or the 4 inch model. If strictly for hunting, go with the 6 inch or longer. Ammunition for it is dropping, priced from $1.00 to $3.00 a round (where I am). If you’re into reloading, you can bring that down even further. Weight can be a concern in a revolver this size (frame). In a handgun of this caliber/cartridge, you don’t want the design to become lighter in weight. With the weight/recoil debate, I’d say add more, than take away, but that’s me. I like my ammo, like, I like my woman…Fast and hot. You have a lot of leeway their, though, with the loads you want to shoot in it.
If you like revolvers, big bore handguns with mojo, this is the one you want. It would even make Austin Powers go “yeah, yeah baby! Yeah.
If that’s it, you’re a member of the club.
You’re an owner of an International Handgun of Mystery.
http://www.vpc.org/graphics/S&W500%20final.pdf
I have not tried it on a B.B.V. One should not buy this handgun for that sole purpose. Unless, of course, the guys name, wearing it, is Dr. Evil.
I shot through solid concrete (about 4 inches) with it, though. Melons, jugs, and pumpkins don’t do it for me. Not in that context, anyway. I like to test on real world situations (objects). Yes, it will tear up an engine compartment... Engine blocks, most are not made like they were in the 60’, 70’s... Cars for that matter as well. If this is done, you have to live in a city where it’s isolated. And make sure you disconnect the fuel line and an emptied gas tank with the gas cap OFF (fumes), junked vehicle. Try using hard casts’. Unlike the human form, their are things that do change. You have to love those that design (engineers) those engines to be mounted in sideways, today’s composite materials. Can you say, “Cuts like butter”?
From my experiences with the 500, 4 inch, it’s not a firearm to take lightly, the power that is in ones hands. And this is for any high-powered magnum (above a .454). You can buy reduce loads for it, as well as those concrete busters. As for recoil, like pain, it’s subjective. For me, the recoil is manageable, even without a glove with full loads. And no it’s not like shooting a .22, as far as recoil is concerned…. Note: I believe (I noticed when I shoot) the muzzle comp. (when left on) helps for rapid shooting (D.A), more so, than S.A.mode...Also, another note: I always see at ranges and see on videos, how those who shoot the 500, all or most shoot in S.A. mode. Me…If you want to learn how to dive (scuba)…Jump into the ocean…. Not a pool.
I do carry it as my C.H./hunting/home (among others) defense firearm... Just like that retro “American Express” commercial with Karl Malden on cable TV. “Don’t leave home without it”. This gun is not for everyone (desire to own/carry). There is a big difference between the 4 inch models and the 6 inch and longer, as for the size and concealable ability. With the latter in mind, go with the 2-3/4 or the 4 inch model. If strictly for hunting, go with the 6 inch or longer. Ammunition for it is dropping, priced from $1.00 to $3.00 a round (where I am). If you’re into reloading, you can bring that down even further. Weight can be a concern in a revolver this size (frame). In a handgun of this caliber/cartridge, you don’t want the design to become lighter in weight. With the weight/recoil debate, I’d say add more, than take away, but that’s me. I like my ammo, like, I like my woman…Fast and hot. You have a lot of leeway their, though, with the loads you want to shoot in it.
If you like revolvers, big bore handguns with mojo, this is the one you want. It would even make Austin Powers go “yeah, yeah baby! Yeah.
If that’s it, you’re a member of the club.
You’re an owner of an International Handgun of Mystery.
Vairochana
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Frez might be more interested in the airsoft version
(sorry- couldn't resist)
(sorry- couldn't resist)
RNB65
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Actually, the VPC article doesn't prove anything except how junk science can be used to write a lengthy piece of fiction to support a political spin. Read the entire article and tell me how many vests did they actually shoot in order to reach their conclusions? None, zip, nada, not a single one. Their entire study contains no actual testing of any type, just unreliable conclusions based on incorrect analysis of ballistics data.
It was a good read, however. They did a pretty good job of telling the story of S&W's struggles due to their infamous Clinton deal.
BigSlick
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I can tell you guys for absolutely certain, from first hand, been there, done that with my own gun that a 500SW will *NOT* penetrate an engine block, nor will it defeat body armor.
Jeez, where does this crap get started ?
Frez, don't you have to get some rest before the school bus arrives in the morning ?
It's obvious, you're fishing for crap, just trying to stir trouble. If you aren't a juvenile, then it's pretty obvious you are an anti-gun troll.
Give it a rest.
Go pick on a few people over in the cooking forums or somewhere for eating meat.
Everyone here has tried in earnest to be nice, but if you don't have anything constructive to contribute or any tangible, verifyable data to back up your obviously inexperienced claims then move on.
VCPI is *NOT* verifyiable or accurate data. It's political drivel, twisted to suit an opinion.
Have a great day
'Slick
Jeez, where does this crap get started ?
Frez, don't you have to get some rest before the school bus arrives in the morning ?
It's obvious, you're fishing for crap, just trying to stir trouble. If you aren't a juvenile, then it's pretty obvious you are an anti-gun troll.
Give it a rest.
Go pick on a few people over in the cooking forums or somewhere for eating meat.
Everyone here has tried in earnest to be nice, but if you don't have anything constructive to contribute or any tangible, verifyable data to back up your obviously inexperienced claims then move on.
VCPI is *NOT* verifyiable or accurate data. It's political drivel, twisted to suit an opinion.
Have a great day
'Slick
Troutman, Frez. Frez.....you talked about combat. What kind of combat? You have broken every rule by having a different weapon than the rest of your unit. How many times do you think you can shoot such a weapon (500 S&W)? The personal defense issues that come to mind (can shoot thru an engine block) are your surroundings. If this gun can and I doubt, shoot thru an engine block your first concern should be your surroundings. Hey I killed the perp but also killed my nieghbor you might as well have shot yourself. I'm not a LEO but my brother is. He would laugh at you 2. Granted they have to operate in certain perameters as to what gun they can use but there is a RESONABLE amount of research as to why they came to such a conclusion. The comparision to vest penetration is as about absurd too. Who are you trying to defend yourself against? Give it up and get to school. Your late
BigSlick
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No, it actually won't
Geronimo45
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Everything south of Level III is for stopping pistol rounds - so III-A may not stop the .500 - or certain .44 Magnum rounds.
mike101
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"Jeez, where does this crap get started ?"
I used to hear this same "engine block" garbage about .357s, about 25 years ago. Maybe that's where.
I clicked on the vpc link because, honestly, I've never heard of them. I scanned down the page a little, until I came to this......
"Bullet Hoses- Semi-automatic assault weapons"
I believe that will be all for the vpc site. Black shame on anyone who would believe in, or quote from, anything they see here. Sounds like it was written by Frank Lautenburg. It's one of his favorite lies.
And Roger26, where exactly do you get your information? Frez?
I used to hear this same "engine block" garbage about .357s, about 25 years ago. Maybe that's where.
I clicked on the vpc link because, honestly, I've never heard of them. I scanned down the page a little, until I came to this......
"Bullet Hoses- Semi-automatic assault weapons"
I believe that will be all for the vpc site. Black shame on anyone who would believe in, or quote from, anything they see here. Sounds like it was written by Frank Lautenburg. It's one of his favorite lies.
And Roger26, where exactly do you get your information? Frez?
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wheeler10k
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I :banghead: f it takes a hen and a half a day and a half to lay an egg and a half, how long does it take a monkey to kick the seeds out of a dill pickle?This thread appears to inhabit a special place under a bridge somewhere... 
There is a video out on the net of a guy shooting a 500 at an indoor range, and his ammo is bouncing all over the shelf of his shooting lane from the concussion of the blast. They're a heavy gun but they have a lot of blast and recoil will certainly be stout, but if the gun fits well it probably isn't really painful. I've heard anything from "not so bad, more of a heavy shove" to "I will never shoot one of those again".
I know I want to try one...
In the meantime I'll be waiting out the impending blizzard/icestorm here in the midwest.
gp911
There is a video out on the net of a guy shooting a 500 at an indoor range, and his ammo is bouncing all over the shelf of his shooting lane from the concussion of the blast. They're a heavy gun but they have a lot of blast and recoil will certainly be stout, but if the gun fits well it probably isn't really painful. I've heard anything from "not so bad, more of a heavy shove" to "I will never shoot one of those again".
I know I want to try one...
In the meantime I'll be waiting out the impending blizzard/icestorm here in the midwest.
gp911
Troutman
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The mysticism of this handgun, sometimes can be outlandish….i.e. breaking wrists, loss of hearing after firing a couple of rounds, recoil is to the point that you need an NFL helmet, arms the size of Arnold Schwarzenegger to shoot this handgun, things like excessive shooting of this handgun can lead to premature ejaculations, ileitis and/or colitis.
The other side of it, it’s more powerful than LAWS rocket (the M72, not the paintball one), can wipe out a half-track, at ¼ mile. Whether taken seriously or “tongue in cheek” humor.
The answer to this, which is, “by all means, do not use this handgun if you “think” these things will happen to you....
I know people that can not drive a van (commercial), pick-up truck. So, one should not go out and buy one of these vehicles if they can not handle it. Not so that they “can’t”, per say, than being “uncomfortable” about driving it. One takes the time to learn to drive it, comfortably.
Same thing about this handgun. Or more so, maybe it does not fit their needs? Maybe one does not want to spend the money on this kind of firearm? Among other questions that may be of ones concern.
Choices, the one purchasing (it’s their money) it, has to make... Which should include….See how it fits your hand. Hold the firearm in your hand, like I did, while all the time (about good ½ hour) talking to the salesman. If one feels it’s getting too heavy, you might want to reconsider. Just trying it by just shooting several rounds through it falls short of this, for any handgun.
I have a neighbor, handling a .380 is a lot of gun for em’. Cost of ammunition. Some people don’t have the luxury of spending $1 a round (lowest for this cartridge). These things are “far more important”, in buying a handgun, than to buy one because some Hollywood actor uses it in a movie (nothing wrong with that though) or if one wants to be infamous, that he/she killed superman with the most powerful handgun.
This handgun doesn’t have some magical sauce (magic powers) to it, neither in the design itself, or the cartridge. Remembering, the conventional wisdom here, it’s just a handgun that shoots a projectile using gunpowder. Simple?!
Remember, it’s a hunting/wilderness (the great outdoors) defense handgun (design for, anyway).
I…. like….. The conventional wisdom, I believe in using the most power in a handgun that one can shoot (can control), other concerns, except what I stated above, are secondary. With this, one has to understand the handgun/cartridge (they decide to use) capabilities and incapability.
Yes, it is a powerful, large handgun. Concealable? As another poster’ post states in another thread. If one reads between the lines that is, about “smart carry”
http://www.smartcarry.com/index.htm
Hey! Better than “Enzyte”. Besides who would look down in that area? Guy? Girl...Shame on them, I say. Well, maybe that could be a good thing or bad thing? Depends on where you’re going?
Now, on the flip side, this handgun should not to be taken lightly. I think, I also said this in my other post?
I, myself, never tested on a B.P.V. To see if the “manufactures claims” hold up to that particular “type”.
What one has to do, to find that truth….do the test themselves. Or, do the research on it. Just a click away. With that, one will find a variety of them. They go by different types, type I, type II, and so on. On the engine block, it, literally speaking….will not… “Shoots through”. It will do damage to it, tear up that engine compartment, far as other things it does to a vehicle. I agree with the author of this article, from American Handgunner:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_174_29/ai_n9480630
Well, that's it for my .67 post per day.
The other side of it, it’s more powerful than LAWS rocket (the M72, not the paintball one), can wipe out a half-track, at ¼ mile. Whether taken seriously or “tongue in cheek” humor.
The answer to this, which is, “by all means, do not use this handgun if you “think” these things will happen to you....
I know people that can not drive a van (commercial), pick-up truck. So, one should not go out and buy one of these vehicles if they can not handle it. Not so that they “can’t”, per say, than being “uncomfortable” about driving it. One takes the time to learn to drive it, comfortably.
Same thing about this handgun. Or more so, maybe it does not fit their needs? Maybe one does not want to spend the money on this kind of firearm? Among other questions that may be of ones concern.
Choices, the one purchasing (it’s their money) it, has to make... Which should include….See how it fits your hand. Hold the firearm in your hand, like I did, while all the time (about good ½ hour) talking to the salesman. If one feels it’s getting too heavy, you might want to reconsider. Just trying it by just shooting several rounds through it falls short of this, for any handgun.
I have a neighbor, handling a .380 is a lot of gun for em’. Cost of ammunition. Some people don’t have the luxury of spending $1 a round (lowest for this cartridge). These things are “far more important”, in buying a handgun, than to buy one because some Hollywood actor uses it in a movie (nothing wrong with that though) or if one wants to be infamous, that he/she killed superman with the most powerful handgun.
This handgun doesn’t have some magical sauce (magic powers) to it, neither in the design itself, or the cartridge. Remembering, the conventional wisdom here, it’s just a handgun that shoots a projectile using gunpowder. Simple?!
Remember, it’s a hunting/wilderness (the great outdoors) defense handgun (design for, anyway).
I…. like….. The conventional wisdom, I believe in using the most power in a handgun that one can shoot (can control), other concerns, except what I stated above, are secondary. With this, one has to understand the handgun/cartridge (they decide to use) capabilities and incapability.
Yes, it is a powerful, large handgun. Concealable? As another poster’ post states in another thread. If one reads between the lines that is, about “smart carry”
http://www.smartcarry.com/index.htm
Hey! Better than “Enzyte”. Besides who would look down in that area? Guy? Girl...Shame on them, I say. Well, maybe that could be a good thing or bad thing? Depends on where you’re going?
Now, on the flip side, this handgun should not to be taken lightly. I think, I also said this in my other post?
I, myself, never tested on a B.P.V. To see if the “manufactures claims” hold up to that particular “type”.
What one has to do, to find that truth….do the test themselves. Or, do the research on it. Just a click away. With that, one will find a variety of them. They go by different types, type I, type II, and so on. On the engine block, it, literally speaking….will not… “Shoots through”. It will do damage to it, tear up that engine compartment, far as other things it does to a vehicle. I agree with the author of this article, from American Handgunner:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_174_29/ai_n9480630
Well, that's it for my .67 post per day.
mike101
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"This thread appears to inhabit a special place under a bridge somewhere"
Amen, and I'm fresh out of troll food.
Amen, and I'm fresh out of troll food.
vanfunk
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50 BMG: 750 grain bullet at 2700 feet per second = 13,000 foot pounds.
.500 S&W magnum: 440 grain bullet at 1,675 feet per second = 2,500 foot pounds.
I would feel pretty safe standing behind an engine block if someone were shooting at me with a .500 S&W magnum, though I wouldn't want to volunteer for the job.
vanfunk
.500 S&W magnum: 440 grain bullet at 1,675 feet per second = 2,500 foot pounds.
I would feel pretty safe standing behind an engine block if someone were shooting at me with a .500 S&W magnum, though I wouldn't want to volunteer for the job.
vanfunk
mike101
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At first, I thought some were being too hard on the little fella
"It's obvious, you're fishing for crap, just trying to stir trouble. If you aren't a juvenile, then it's pretty obvious you are an anti-gun troll."
I agree. He's an anti. I'd bet money on it. I've been thinking about some of his posts. Airsoft guns in combat???? And this thread. He's not very slick. Neither is Roger.
I think he was just waiting for someone to say something like " I suppose it's possible for an Airsoft to kill someone". Then he would have scampered off to the Brady Bunch, or more likely VPC, and posted something like "Even gun experts agree that Airsoft guns are deadly. These weapons of mass destruction need to be banned immediately. Do it for the children".
I have no problem with an anti joining the discussion. They have been invited by the management. But have the guts to say you are against people owning guns. You will be treated with much more respect, and we will do our best to educate you, and make a convert of you, in a reasonably polite manner.
"It's obvious, you're fishing for crap, just trying to stir trouble. If you aren't a juvenile, then it's pretty obvious you are an anti-gun troll."
I agree. He's an anti. I'd bet money on it. I've been thinking about some of his posts. Airsoft guns in combat???? And this thread. He's not very slick. Neither is Roger.
I think he was just waiting for someone to say something like " I suppose it's possible for an Airsoft to kill someone". Then he would have scampered off to the Brady Bunch, or more likely VPC, and posted something like "Even gun experts agree that Airsoft guns are deadly. These weapons of mass destruction need to be banned immediately. Do it for the children".
I have no problem with an anti joining the discussion. They have been invited by the management. But have the guts to say you are against people owning guns. You will be treated with much more respect, and we will do our best to educate you, and make a convert of you, in a reasonably polite manner.
carnaby
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In any event, if you shoot that thing without hearing protection your ears will suffer badly. That thing is LOUD! I shot two rounds out of a 4" (with hearing protection on) and that was enough for me. The recoil was quite heavy and I think I missed the target with both shots.
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