Anyone want full-auto?

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Oh yeah I want full auto! Although it kind of hurts to see all your ammo money flying down rang so quick, bump firing the AK-47 is the funnest thing I've ever done with it. It would be nice to have one that I could shoulder and shoot FA so that at least I could pretend like I was trying to hit a target.

Maybe the NRA can start fighting the '86 ban if we win this '94 thing? At current prices, I'll never own a full auto weapon.
 
Maybe the NRA can start fighting the '86 ban
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IIRC, back in '86, the NRA supported the machinegun ban. The ban was part of the "1986 Firearm Owner's Protection Act" and NRA negotiations allowed the ban to go forward so they could get the Act signed into law. The sporting/hunting side of the NRA leadership managed to beat the anti- gun control side. The gun grabbers strategy of divide and conquer worked perfectly. They don't mind allowing bans on firearms they don't care about.
 
I'd a full-auto if I could afford it. Lot of fun to shoot, even if it's not all that practical. Ammo wouldn't really be a concern, if I had five or so thousand floating around then I could probably cough up some more.
 
Well, its not all that its cracked up to be. :(

I got an Uzi some time ago, you know the drill, the greatest SMG ever designed et cetera. Well I have some proficiency, can hold 3 round bursts to a four inch circle at 25 yards, yada yada yada.

To tell the truth it is a pain. Got to tell the Feds when you move, got to keep it locked up, got to et cetera for what? So you can burn up a hundred bucks in 90 seconds? Lotsa fun!!! :rolleyes:

The .22 conversion option would be great...except for the fact there is a 10 round magazine law, so you can't get decent sized mags for .22.

So I take mine out to shoot every few months, mostly on semi auto, and wait, hoping for the 10 round magazine law to be changed so I can convert to .22.
 
The .22 conversion option would be great...except for the fact there is a 10 round magazine law, so you can't get decent sized mags for .22.

There has been a .22lr conversion for the full auto uzi since Group Industries made the UZI receivers. :rolleyes:

Vector Arms
 
IIRC, back in '86, the NRA supported the machinegun ban. The ban was part of the "1986 Firearm Owner's Protection Act" and NRA negotiations allowed the ban to go forward so they could get the Act signed into law. The sporting/hunting side of the NRA leadership managed to beat the anti- gun control side. The gun grabbers strategy of divide and conquer worked perfectly. They don't mind allowing bans on firearms they don't care about. HKmp5sd
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I quit the NRA for years over this act. But that ain't the way it happened.

The ban was added by a New Jersey Senator at the very last moment. There were no negotiations prior to passage. President Reagan reportedly offered the NRA a veto of the bill after it was passed with the amendment. The NRA apparently decided that the good parts of the bill which affected millions of gun owners outweighed the bad that affected 125,000 registered machine gun owners of the time.
 
The NRA apparently decided that the good parts of the bill which affected millions of gun owners outweighed the bad that affected 125,000 registered machine gun owners of the time.
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That means there are probably less than 125,000 machine guns even available to legally transfer today? And, if they are anything like me with my guns, I'm sure most of the owners are not in the selling mood. Dang! No wonder an M-16 would cost me $14,000. I haven't even seen Mac-11's for $1,500 anymore either.
 
Given the state of the ATF's registry, no one is quite sure just how many transferrable machine guns exist. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 280,000. Could be thousands more...could be thousands less.

There was a grace period before the law took effect. During that time, the factories were working overtime producing conversions, registered receivers, registered bolts, and registered auto sears and getting the paperwork done on them.

That's when I had my Uzi conversion done by SWD.
 
The ban was added by a New Jersey Senator at the very last moment. There were no negotiations prior to passage. President Reagan reportedly offered the NRA a veto of the bill after it was passed with the amendment.
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Good to know, thanks. Looks like the NRA did sell us out though. I had always blamed Reagan for signing the ban, but it seems he may not be as guilty as he has been portrayed.
 
I had a Thompson full-auto, but sold it because I wasn't shooting it. The cost, as has been mentioned, is too prohibitive. Now I have regrets, because there's no way I'll be able to afford one again.

If Reagan had possessed the same line-item veto power that Clinton did and Bush does, we might not be looking at $10,000 MP5's.
 
I, like others, find the 3 round burst to be much more accurate.

That being said I love to rent the MP5 and burn off a few 30 round mags! :D And I would love to have a full auto AK. Bump firing is cool but squeezing the trigger and emptying a 30 round mag would be cooler

I think the 7.62 x 39 and 9mm are some of the only calibers I could afford to shoot a full auto with.
 
Full Auto = Ballistic Masterbation

Controlled Bursts = Deadly

3 Round Burst Mode = Accountants' Answer to Poor Training.
 
Full Auto = Ballistic Masterbation
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Not a blanket fact for all machineguns.

With my MP5SD, I can dump the entire magazine into a silhouette at 25 yards in one continuous burst. There is absolutely no muzzle climb. The small amount of recoil thrusts the gun straight back. It feels similar to drilling a hole with an electric drill motor.
 
3 rd burst

I would rather have the option of selecting the number of shots I fire in a burst . 3 or 30 or whatever the situation calls for . I can easily fire a 30 rd magazine from my Thompson with it set on auto and 2 rd burst from my Colt . It's just a matter of getting to know your gun .
Ammo is actually kind of cheap . Based on todays selling price & dollar devaluation from the 80's , ammo is cheaper now .
I have to agree with the .22 conversion advice . It's a blast . I have a Ciener for my Colt with 4 30 rd mags .
The prices are definately prohibitive . I wouldn't own any if I hadn't bought them 10 yrs ago . They have proven to be a solid investment !

Mitch

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Have to admit that full-auto is great fun to shoot but as far as being really practical..increased rounds per minute=increased misses per minute. They do have their place occasionally in a tactical situation and are fun but I am not sure in the civilian world, where I have to buy the ammo, if the fun=the expendature of $$$$. If you can afford it, go for it and have fun.
 
If I were practical ...

I would own only 3 or 4 guns .

I think most all of our shooting is for fun . If I improve my skills at the same time then I guess that's a fringe benefit :D

Mitch
 
Kenneth, perhaps I should have added the modifier "...for any reasonable price" IMHO paying $50 for a 28 round .22 mag is a little too much. Paying $5 would be about right. A .22 drum magazine would be a lot of fun to shoot, and I would gladly pay $50 for one after the ban is lifted.

Oh, more downside for FA. 1) You've got to fill out ANOTHER form and get prior approval to take it out of your home state so you can't just drop it into your suitcase when you go visit kinfolks up in the mountains. 2) Illegal to hunt with a MG. So forget putting a scope on that pretty Nigerian BM-59 and taking it out to the deer stand. :(
 
Paying $5 would be about right.
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Well, I hit sticker shock on that 28 rd. magazine myself. On the other hand, I'm not aware of a 5 round .22 magazine for a rifle that can be purchased for 5 bucks. Ruger 10/22 10 rd magazines are what now? I bought a couple for about 10 bucks a piece a few years ago.


Point of interest. Anyone noticed the reduction in prices on Uzi 9mm magazines on the Vector website? I find this curious. I wonder if they think that the AWB will sunset?
 
Regarding magazine prices , I would say that prices are down because supply has surpassed demand . There are millions of Uzi mags out there and not many guns in the US to warrant a continuous demand . HK 91 and FAL mags are everywhere for less than $10 for the same reason . IMO

Mitch
 
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