Ar-15 plinker plus vs cetme 308

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Ok this should be interesting, say theres a ground hog 400 yards out and you want it dead. Which gun would you chose? Also if theres a world disaster say ww3, which one, and why? Just thought i'd share that
 
I had a Century CETME, and will never again. I have shot many AR-15s, and while I don't really like the AR-15 that much, I would take a decent quality AR-15 over a Century built CETME any day of the week. Now if you could find a CETME Sporter imported back in the 1960s, THAT would be a different story.
The two rifles are two completely different systems, different operation, different caliber, etc. AR would be a good choice for your small light targets at 400 yards as you described, and works pretty well in the combat arena as used by our troops. You probably can do quite well with it.
I chose differently with a 7.62x39mm vz-58 from Czechpoint-USA, but I just gotta be me!. :)
 
AR, the AR platform can be built up to shoot MOA out well beyond 400 yards. I am not so sure if an AK or CETME can do that.
 
I guess I got lucky with the Century Cetme I got bc I loved it. First week I had it on the front gun rack on a
Four wheeler and when I went to start the atv it was in gear and jumped forward so hard hitting steel pipe it broke all the plastic grill and bent my new CETME to where it would no longer cycle rounds in or out. The bolt carrier would not budge. I pounded on it and heated it and bent it back over three days and fired 1000 rounds that first month, and I can't recall any failures tho I'm sure there was a handful. It is a stupid proof rifle IMO.
 
neither are accurate enough to hit a groundhog out at 400 yards, and if SHTF ever hits i'd want an AK
I'd be wiling to bet that you are wrong in regards to the AR platform, but I know next to nothing about Cetmes. While I don't have a .308 AR (assuming that you are talking about the .308 version), I do have a .223 and it is extremely accurate. I think that it's quite reasonable that the .308 ARs could achieve the same or near-same accuracy. That said, I can't see 400 yards being an issue for a good .308 AR. Heck, I'd be confident taking the shot with my .223 as 200-250 yds is quite easy.
 
All about the shooter and a good optic @ 400 yds. An AR? Definitely with the previous two qualifications and a decent, not great rifle.
 
Nothing other than .408 Cheytac or .50BMG will work. You might be able to slide by with .338LM, but it's a stretch.


I'd pick the AR, but if I could bring my own, I'd bring a Savage Model 10 in .308. I just really like that rifle and can drive nails with it.
 
he did say plinker model AR and out to 400 yards most AR15 are just not accurate enough for groundhog work in my opinion. the 5.56 round even handloaded would be affected by winds too much at that distance to make reliable 1st shot hits but that's just my opinion, yours may differ
 
gun addict, is what you are stating your opinion or what your experience has been? If it's just your opinion, I'd say that you are wrong. If it's your experience, then the problem could have been any number of things. At that distance, with a good AR, the difference for me would be the optics.
 
This is instructive. So far, my collection is devoid of a rifle that serves as both a long-range groundhog gun and a WW3 survival weapon.
 
For groundhogs at 400, I'd take the AR. They tend to be capable of better accuracy. However, for humans I'd prefer the CETME. The AR isn't particularly ballistically-effective past 300 yards, and does not have very good penetration. Also, the wind really screws with them out past that distance. This stuff doesn't matter so much for critters like groundhogs -- they don't hide behind cover, they don't drive vehicles or wear armor, and you will probably have a little time to measure wind speed and calculate the hold-off if you're taking a groundhog shot at 400 -- the inherent accuracy of the rifle is more important. The ability to mount a big high-powered optic is also important, because obviously ground hogs are very hard to see at that distance.

But for 2-legged varmints that shoot back, I would prefer a firearm with a longer max effective range than what the AR offers -- you wouldn't want to engage them up close since that's what they're trained for and there will probably be more of them than you, so the smarter play would be to hang back past where most of them can't even hit, much less detect you, take a few shots, drop a few of them, and high tail it before they can flank you, get artillery on you, call in air support, etc.

Also, the 7.62x51 can be used to disable unarmored or lightly-armored vehicles. Good luck doing that with a 5.56. The CETME wouldn't be my first choice in the battle rifle category, but I would have to say I would take one over an AR for the second scenario you proposed.
 
I plunked down a whole $600 for a used CMMG AR-15. I spent $50 on ammo, and I went to the range. I sighted my irons in and haven't had a problem since, at any range I've tried (I've stretched her out to 550yds, on 24" steel plates) with a fixed 4x $50 scope. I highly doubt I would have any problems with fat little groundhogs at 400 yds with the AR. (though if I tried it without a scope, the iron sights would completely obscure the target)

Previous posters are right, however... the further away the target is with a .223/5.56mm, you'll experience more wind drift due to the light bullet. Heavier rounds help some, but changing the bullet weight can bring on problems of its own.

Honestly, the original question was asked in a fashion that predicts the answers... "Would you use a battle rifle to shoot a varmint at 400 yds, and a varmint rifle as a battle rifle?"
 
Definitely an AR. Looking at your post I am guessing MOA accuracy is not something you are concerned with, so go with something like a Rock River Arms or a Del-Ton.
 
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