bobleeswagger
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Furthermore, if you aren't questioning caliber, why suggest a .22? Probably not a 10/22, though, being semi-auto...right?
AR-15 Rifle good idea for a minor?
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IBEWBULL
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First let me say we should all be checking our facts before making other than an opinion.
An AR15 is not an assult wepon. This is a misnomer from the uninformed in attempt to deamonize a tool.
Look up the definition, capable of selective fire with an intermediate cartrige.
The laws in a state as to posession to a weapon for hunting or target practice will vary.
Buying a reciever for a minor being a straw purchase is dependant on how it is worded.
Is it a gift or is it a direct purchase being turned over the same day. Too gray an area for me to act on.
If I were going to aquire any firearm for one of my children would it be a straw purchase?
My youngest daughter is going to be 20 , I had planned on giving her some guns.
This is not going to happen until she completes her hunter safety class. My rule here, but the question is about gifting a weapon to someone.
I believe it is a no-no to buy and sell in the same day. Engaging in the business is what the ATF calls it.
So the swaps and trades must be kept in miind for sure. We are under the microscope all the time.
I don't know if what I am saying is all factual but it is all something to be aware of.
Sometimes common sense is not so common.
An AR15 is not an assult wepon. This is a misnomer from the uninformed in attempt to deamonize a tool.
Look up the definition, capable of selective fire with an intermediate cartrige.
The laws in a state as to posession to a weapon for hunting or target practice will vary.
Buying a reciever for a minor being a straw purchase is dependant on how it is worded.
Is it a gift or is it a direct purchase being turned over the same day. Too gray an area for me to act on.
If I were going to aquire any firearm for one of my children would it be a straw purchase?
My youngest daughter is going to be 20 , I had planned on giving her some guns.
This is not going to happen until she completes her hunter safety class. My rule here, but the question is about gifting a weapon to someone.
I believe it is a no-no to buy and sell in the same day. Engaging in the business is what the ATF calls it.
So the swaps and trades must be kept in miind for sure. We are under the microscope all the time.
I don't know if what I am saying is all factual but it is all something to be aware of.
Sometimes common sense is not so common.
Carl N. Brown
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When I was young, I resented the implication that all juveniles were somehow delinquents. I received my first gun when I was sixteen for Christmas. Personally, I think anyone potentially eligible for military service should be familiar with both the AR and the AK.
I guess my post was missed. My son is becoming more active in USPSA and in order to train properly and compete he will be getting an AR-15. These guns are soft shooters IMO. He did have a bubba tacticool 10/22 but thats been sold due to non-use. OK, the gun is actually mine but will be his when he is "of age" in Florida.
The kid is well trained by some of the best - they compete at fort benning and it is quite an honor for him to be accepted. I dont think a blanket statement about a kid or maturity level has proved to be accurate. I see plenty of idiots at the range with ARs and AKs.
The kid is well trained by some of the best - they compete at fort benning and it is quite an honor for him to be accepted. I dont think a blanket statement about a kid or maturity level has proved to be accurate. I see plenty of idiots at the range with ARs and AKs.
So someone posts an opinion that is different from what some of you have and you need to jump down that persons throat? Doesn't matter what the definition of an assault rifle is because the what the police think are assault rifles is anything with a pistol grip, a detachable high capacity magazine and is semi-auto.
I specifically said that I'm not assuming the kid will do anything wrong with it, but I also feel like kids at that age should progress through the food chain of guns. Start with a .22. Learn to respect the rifle. Understand safety. IMO the AR is like a BMW of rifles. Do kids at 16 when they get their drivers permit need a BMW right away? Maybe I'm just old fashion that way.
Questioning if I'm a gun lover just because I don't think a AR is the right gun for a 16 year is just a plain personal attack and really uncalled for.
I specifically said that I'm not assuming the kid will do anything wrong with it, but I also feel like kids at that age should progress through the food chain of guns. Start with a .22. Learn to respect the rifle. Understand safety. IMO the AR is like a BMW of rifles. Do kids at 16 when they get their drivers permit need a BMW right away? Maybe I'm just old fashion that way.
Questioning if I'm a gun lover just because I don't think a AR is the right gun for a 16 year is just a plain personal attack and really uncalled for.
bobleeswagger
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Maybe an AR isn't the BMW of rifles to me so I just don't see it the same way. Questioning your status as a gun lover is not a personal attack. If you are going to get all bent out of shape because I don't consider people who refer to magazines as "clips" and who call AR's "tactical assault rifles" as "gun lovers", that's fine...but don't consider it a personal attack. Point is, most people that aren't familiar with guns would use both of those types of terminolgy. We're getting off topic. I'll PM you.
Dionysusigma
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.223 might be a bit much in the noise department. Get a Gemtech Halo, too. 
UpTheIrons
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It isn't what the police think. It is what the legislatures of several of the states think, after being misinformed by special interests, career politicians, and desk-driving LEO administrators.
And it does matter what the definition is. Words mean things, and being sloppy with definitions leads to misunderstandings. An assault rifle is specifically defined as a select-fire rifle that uses an intermediate power cartridge and has a detachable magazine.
The AR-15 is not select fire, so even though it does have a detachable mag and shoots an intermediate power cartridge, it is not an assault rifle. It is just a semi-automatic rifle similar in form to an assault rifle.
A Ruger 10/22 with the ArcAngel kit would look like an "assault rifle" too, but it ain't one. A wood-stocked Mini-14 works exactly like the AR-15, but there aren't many people that would see it as an "assault rifle", except for people who have only seen the LEO/Gov't model.
I'm not trying to pound on you, but please be more precise in your choice of terms.
Justin
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The Juniors I've met who regularly place very well at High Power and 3Gun matches would disagree with your opinion.
If your opinion is correct, you need to convince us why it is valid. Otherwise, yes, people are going to take you to task for staking out a position and not backing it up with rational or convincing reasons for why you hold that particular belief.
What does this have to do with anything? One of my ex-girlfriends had a 12 year old brother. He went with us to the range and I let him shoot the AR15 I use for 3gun. He put the sights on a steel target and fired the rifle and hit the target.
Y'know, like what would have happened with any other rifle.
When I introduce new shooters to center fire rifles, the first choice I use, regardless of their age, is an AR15.
Guess what? I've never had any police officers take issue with that. In fact, I'm hard pressed to understand why a cop would have a problem with a high school student shooting an AR15 so long as he's doing so safely and is properly supervised.
While I agree that the .22 is the best place for a new shooter to start, there's nothing that says he can't get a .22 upper or conversion kit for his gun. Presuming he gets connected with a group of shooters who can show him the ropes of safety and marksmanship, the fact that his rifle is self-loading, or chambered for .223, or is capable of taking a 30 round magazine is thoroughly immaterial.
A clip can be used in conjunction with a loader to then load the ar's MAGAZINE! I am pretty sure you will look like a complete newbie going into a gun shop and asking for a 30 round AR "clip" And you also dont seem like a gunlover, An AR is really just a 22 on the most ridiculous steroids ever, and it really not a big deal.
ForumSurfer
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My 12 year old shoots pretty well with it. I've had a few anti-gun parents question why I let him shoot such a dangerous weapon under my supervision. It may be overkill for that age. If it is overkill for his age then it is for me, as well.
An AR in the safe sparks such wonder in a 12 year old boy's eyes that you need to let him shoot it. Otherwise he will be wanting to look it over when you aren't around. If it is in my collection and it won't break their shoulders, then my kids get to shoot it.
It's just what we do. We enjoy the sport. Stay within the limits of the law and train your kids.
highorder
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As has been stated, no one is trying to attack you, just clarify baseless statements like this one.
This is quite valid:
This is quite valid:
porscheboy
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I'm 16 as well, and plan on attending the "Massachusetts Institute of Technology" (MIT) after high school. There I plan on majoring in Ballistic or Aerospace Engineering. After Christmas I plan on building my first AR. Of course it took some convincing of my dad to apply for a Handgun/Assault Rifle permit but yesterday he did. Unfortunately teenage guys are given stereotypes, and as long as we are careful and safety is first, we can operate and handle firearms as well as somebody twice our age. Good luck on your build, GewehrGuy...
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minutemen1776
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I may or may not be correct about the troll thing. If I'm wrong, then I apologize to the OP. However, the post still seems odd, at least to me. The OP (with few other posts) is soliciting general opinions about minors and guns, even though he says that those opinions won't influence him anyway. Besides that, the thread was begun in the "Legal" section. I'll be interested to see if the OP shows up again.
AR27
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I got my first AR when i was 17 and i stored it in my room with all the ammunition and magazines in the gun cabinet i built my junior year of high school. Its fine.
In Idaho you can hunt with 30 round mags.
Yes, swiss cheese deer is ok.
As to "what 16 year old needs this or that," stop trying to control people's lives, and let children grow up how their families want to raise them, not what you think is good for a 16-year-old.
In my opinion, a child should be very fammiliar with an ar-15 by 16 years of age. Shooting centerfire bolt actions by 10 to 12 years of age, and the double duce earlier.
Are YOU going to come and tell me I shouldn't be giving these guns to my kids at these points in their lives? If you are, I'd promptly tell you these guns are all in trusts with my blood as beneficiaries, so your little legal control amounts to squat, but your attitude is what is bringing down this country by the weight of the government.
Aaron Baker
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I hunt with a legal short-barrel AR15 in .458 SOCOM. They're not called "clips" unless you're shooting a Garand (or similar rifle). They're called magazines. And in my state, it's a 10-round limit, not 5.
You're welcome to think that an AR15 isn't the best starter rifle for a young man. But you're basing your opinion on a lot of specious arguments.
Aaron
TexasRifleman
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Yep, can't trust those 15 year olds to have such firearms can you?
I mean, even sling maker Les Tam wouldn't sponsor such an irresponsible shooter such as this girl here, 15 years old! The horror!
Good grief. If we're not careful they might even let them into Camp Perry!
http://www.lestam.com/JuniorsTeams.htm
Well, yes actually. Your opinion is based on misleading and incorrect facts so why should we simply let it lie untouched? Your opinion shows an extreme anti gun and anti youth bias. That should simply be left unchallenged? The point of THR is to promote responsible gun ownership. If you have some valid evidence of any kind to support your opinion that an AR style rifle is not a suitable firearm for a beginning shooter please post it. But the truth is you won't find any because the rifle is, in fact, great for that.
You are continuing the public/media attitude towards a rifle that is certainly not the "BMW of rifles" but more like the LEGO of rifles; cheap to buy and easily changed to suit personal preference.
I do, I hunt mainly with semi auto rifles, either ARs or Browning BARs. I don't even own a bolt action hunting rifle. Guess that makes me some kind of outcast?
And, not every state requires hunting be done with a 5 round magazine and even in states that DO require that, 5 round mags are readily obtainable for AR style rifles.
Your entire argument seems to be based on the idea that some cops might think ARs are bad. That's it? Really?
Nope. The truth is you've repeated the mantra of many anti gun organizations, like it or not. You have based your opinion of the AR15 on its appearance only. It is not a personal attack to point out that your arguments bear striking similarities to the arguments used by many anti gun groups.
I mean, even sling maker Les Tam wouldn't sponsor such an irresponsible shooter such as this girl here, 15 years old! The horror!
Good grief. If we're not careful they might even let them into Camp Perry!
http://www.lestam.com/JuniorsTeams.htm
SFTitan said:
Well, yes actually. Your opinion is based on misleading and incorrect facts so why should we simply let it lie untouched? Your opinion shows an extreme anti gun and anti youth bias. That should simply be left unchallenged? The point of THR is to promote responsible gun ownership. If you have some valid evidence of any kind to support your opinion that an AR style rifle is not a suitable firearm for a beginning shooter please post it. But the truth is you won't find any because the rifle is, in fact, great for that.
You are continuing the public/media attitude towards a rifle that is certainly not the "BMW of rifles" but more like the LEGO of rifles; cheap to buy and easily changed to suit personal preference.
I do, I hunt mainly with semi auto rifles, either ARs or Browning BARs. I don't even own a bolt action hunting rifle. Guess that makes me some kind of outcast?
And, not every state requires hunting be done with a 5 round magazine and even in states that DO require that, 5 round mags are readily obtainable for AR style rifles.
Your entire argument seems to be based on the idea that some cops might think ARs are bad. That's it? Really?
Nope. The truth is you've repeated the mantra of many anti gun organizations, like it or not. You have based your opinion of the AR15 on its appearance only. It is not a personal attack to point out that your arguments bear striking similarities to the arguments used by many anti gun groups.
RockyMtnTactical
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My oldest boy is 7 now. When he is 16, he will be shooting AR's. Right now all I have had him shooting is .22's, but I have no doubt he will be more capable with an AR15 when he is 16 than most folks who own guns.
highorder
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Thanks Art. This whole post could have gone, along with the one I quoted.
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Thanks Art. This whole post could have gone, along with the one I quoted.
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migkillertwo
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Others have echoed my thoughts entirely. Age isn't an issue, maturity and training are the issues at hand. I've seen a lot of adults do stupid things with guns, and I've seen a few children who were very proficient with firearms and firearm safety.
That said, check your local and state laws before buying an AR-15. It is usually illegal for a minor to possess an AR-15
Art Eatman
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I started out with my grandfather's .22 rifle when I was six. By age seven I was turned loose to wander around several hundred acres.
Nothing bad ever happened.
By age 16 I'd progressed from a bolt-action Marlin of my own to a Remington 550 semi-auto. Started reloading for my '06, that same summer. Sixty years ago...
Nothing bad ever happened.
It ain't the age. It's the behavior and sense of responsibility...
Nothing bad ever happened.
By age 16 I'd progressed from a bolt-action Marlin of my own to a Remington 550 semi-auto. Started reloading for my '06, that same summer. Sixty years ago...
Nothing bad ever happened.
It ain't the age. It's the behavior and sense of responsibility...
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