AR or AKs

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In all likelyhood, you can probably get through the problems with the AR, but I wouldn't trade for it until I knew more about what was happening.

I would still suggest going to range with the guy and shooting his AR. See what the problem is. Get him to show you how to field strip it. See how clean or dirty it is and how much carbon build up there is. There are lots of things that could be happening, but without more info, you really can't make an informed decision.
 
I would also check the extractor on the problem AR. The extractor claw might be worn or the extractor spring might be worn out/missing. Someone mentioned the gas key. Check the entire gas system, make sure there's no bends, dents or breaks in the gas tube. Make sure the gas tube is fit firmly to the front sight base.

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In my expirience (I don't work for a gunsmith so don't tear me up if you think I'm wrong) the first cause of a malfunction in the M16/AR15 family is the lineup of the three gas rings in the bolt.

Actually, the gap in the gas rings lining up will only cause an issue if there are already gas problems elsewhere in the AR. It is one of those things that can only be a problem if the system is already marginal to begin with. If the rest of the gas system is in good order, it will run just fine with all three gaps lined up. It will even run with two gas rings removed completely.

When a good ar goes bad are there some well known common and cheap to fix problems?

First, I would hop over to the Troubleshooting Forum at the AR15 section of AR15.com and read some of the discussions there. This will give you enough knowledge to figure out whether the problem is in an easily-replaceable part or a more complicated issue.
 
I wouldnt buy a known unreliable AR sight unseen. I definitely wouldnt trade 2 functional AKs for it. A cheapie AR isnt really worth that much more than a low end AK. Like 300-something for the AK, 500-something for the AR. But it is easier to make ARs from scratch than AKs since you dont need special tools.

I would personally rather have a inaccurate low-end AK than a jamming low-end AR. Although it would limit my range somewhat, I would at least be able to pick fights with confidence that my gun would live up to its end of the bargain.

At the high-end, I dont think the differences are as substantial. The good AKs are pretty accurate and the good ARs are pretty reliable. At that point it is just personal preference.
 
You may find that nothing more than a good cleaning will fix most issues. A lot of people just shoot and never clean any weapon they own. Also, a new extractor spring and some gas rings will probably solve all the problems. I would do the deal in a second, since I can tell you how much it costs to build an AR, compared to fixing one.
 
Since there are some knowledgeable AR guys here...

Im a Kalifornian looking to build an AR from scratch. I want a removable magazine (10 rd's only), and to keep this rifle legal, I cant attach the grip permanently. I know nothing of the AR rifle, and have only handled a few, and fired only a 9mm carbine. I have decent ability with tools and basic gunsmithing stuff.

Where can I find info on building an AR from parts? I want to keep price down by purchasing parts separtly, but I also want to use parts that will work smoothly together. Id prefer new parts in an A3 setup, but I want a quality rifle in the end. Im focused more on reliablity (with wolf ammo), than accuracy. I have hit up AR15.com's gear for sale forum, but I dont know what the terminology means yet, or even what exactly I want (materials, etc).
 
Swap 1 for 1 sure. 2 ak for 1 ar? No. 2 ak + all accessories for 1 ar? No.

Considering that you've not said who built your AKs or who built the AR there really isn't enough information to give advice with.

If you've got an Bulgarian Arsenal AK and the SFIL has one of the Olys built during their less than quality period, you'd be trading down.

If you've got a Century Romak and he's got a Colt/RR/Armalite then you'd be trading up.

There's a huge range in between though.
 
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I think his is colt 20" and a match bull barrel upper and I have a century romak sr-1 and a mak-90 with no U.S. parts to the mak.

He seems to know how to clean but he also knows how to fiddle with things. the later bothers me the most. He owns a dremmel and I don't know where it has been.

I think he is a big fan of clp but I don't like the stuff. maybe I'm off base but I don't think it is what a sophisticated weapon is really wanting to drink.
 
I think he is a big fan of clp but I don't like the stuff. maybe I'm off base but I don't think it is what a sophisticated weapon is really wanting to drink.
LOL! I feed mine RemOil because I have a bottle I'm trying to use up. No problems in 700 rounds. :)

Chris
 
At the ranges you are talking about, 300+m, that 22 caliber projectile has less stopping power than most 9mm handguns. At least up close, where it matters, the .30 cal will hit harder and penetrate more cover to get the job done.

First off, "stopping power" is a laughable term with the knowledge abound these days. Disc brakes on an automobile have "stopping power". "Wounding ability" is the more appropriate wording, and the 5.56x45 has plenty more of that at 300 yards than a 9x19 does at the muzzle. (that whole 2000+ FPS thing, ya know) Secondly, the 7.62x39 exceeeds the 5.56x45 in muzzle energy by a mere 200 ft/lbs, and that advantage is eclipsed beyond 100 yards due to the short, flat-based bullets and lower initial velocity of the 7.62. Ever wonder why the soviets switched to the 5.45x39 after being on the recieving end of 5.56mm rounds some thirty-odd years ago?


Uh, energy can't be disputed. Whether or not a round with greater energy will be more likely to stop someone can, but then you're going against 100+ years of hunters who know that a bigger round is needed to put a big creature down fast.

Humans aren't big creatures. If the much larger diameter rounds were that much more effective on human targets, we would still be using the .45-70.

Speaking of inaccuracy, why is the most accurate bench rest cartridge, the 6mmPPC, based off of the "pure inaccuracy" of the 7.62x39 round?

For one, the only thing the 6mmPPC has in common with it's distant relative is case head and rim diameter. Second, we are not comparing accuracy of 5.56x45 vs. 7.62x39, but rather accuracy of AK vs. AR. There simply is no argument to be made there.


Oh, please inform me what rifles those might be? I'm coming up short here.

FN FAL, FN FNC? Nope. G3, G36? Nope. SA80? Nope. FAMAS? Nope. SIG-550? Nope. Steyr AUG? Still no. And then we have the Galil, Valmet, and Vectors are all direct refinements of the AK47 system. That would be Finland, Israel and South Africa. Hardly illiterate, uneducated and poorly trained, I would think.

You could further that by acknowledging that the AK gas system is derived from the same principles as the M1 Garand, just put on top of the rifle instead. The operating principles of the AK aren't the first of their kind.

The AR's direct impingement system was the first of it's kind. The reason it hasn't been adopted to other rifles is simple: everyone is adopting AR-pattern rifles in their entirety.

BTW, the SA-80 (L85) is nothing morre than a bullpup-stocked AR-180.

All that said, I own both and enjoy both. The AR is infinitely more pleasant to shoot, far more accurate and just as reliable. But I'm not about to ditch my AK. I don't worry about accuracy with the AK since there was none to begin with, so I will happily empty the 75 round drum post-haste!:D
 
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