Ar Pistol as "truck gun"

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Just one opinion...

I built an AR pistol in 300 BLK just to see what they were all about.

I used to shoot 10" Contenders off hand quite a bit so shooting the AR pistol is not much different except for the auto reload capabilities of the AR.

I can shoot the AR pistol quite well with deliberate aiming and shooting. But, rapid shooting that might be needed for self protection is mostly a "spray and pray" proposition with a "hope and pray" that I'd hit the intended target.

So, I'm having fun with my AR pistol, but if i were to want something similar for a truck gun, I'd spend the time and money for a short barreled rifle.
 
Try shooting an AR pistol inside a truck once and see what you think after the muzzle blast tears out the head liner!!

I can't think of a less suitable small arm for use inside a vechicle!!

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OP, I think you're mostly good at this point. I'd add insurance for the pistol, keep the serial number on your person at all times, and make sure you have thick skin.
 
Admittedly not an answer to the question but this thread is lengthy already. I live generally near the city of Detroit. Which is lost souls Capitol if you ask me. I couldn't imagine being comfortable having a weapon left in the car. I have this issue if sent to Detroit and have to enter a state enforced gun free zone. It sucks but theft while away from your vehicle is a greater threat than civil unrest at that moment. Unless you are in a situation where you can take the weapon indiscreetly into your destination point. But then that's what the cpl handgun is for. I'd just slip the lcr in a vest pocket and the sp100 iwb. I'd have two loaders in th pocket and two strips in the back pocket. I have both those guns and have done that when headed to the hood. If we lived in nomads land with no civil order than the 590-a1 would be slung to the side. But that's not where we really are. thank god.
 
This one would be a pistol if it didn't have a stock on it. 10.5" .223 with a can, makes for a non eardrum exploding truck gun.

Best thing for coyotes out of the vehicle that I have.

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That said I live more than 1000 miles from Detroit.
 
One of the minor annoyances of the AR15 pistol is the protruding buffer tube which adds extra length. I've built two 10.5" AR pistols before; they are easy enough to shoot if you practice consistently. I've also tried to use one as a truck/suv gun, but they are a little harder to conceal and deploy quickly.

An alternative the OP can use is an AK47 pistol that can fit in a discreet backpack. You can choose to bring it with you in your destination if CCW is allowed, and you can bring it inside your home if you park your vehicle outside (not needed if you park in a garage at home). This would be a secondary weapon to your CCW of course.

I've used a 10" PAP AK pistol and also a 12" Draco AK stored in a backpack in my vehicle. They are not the fastest to deploy quickly , but if you can find some cover (e.g. behind your car) it takes about 5seconds. Works great as a secondary weapon to your CCW. I would agree that a standard handgun will always be ideal. I cc a G19 with a couple of extra mags, including a 33-rounder kept in the car's glove compartment.

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jmorris, if you're adding that can, the pistol with a brace will already be the length of a carbine with a telescoping stock. Or keep the can with a short barrel and an extra $200 gets you a SBR.
 
jmorris, if you're adding that can, the pistol with a brace will already be the length of a carbine with a telescoping stock. Or keep the can with a short barrel and an extra $200 gets you a SBR.

Yes, it is about the same length as a 16" rifle without a can but you can shoot it from inside the vehicle without shell shock. The SBR with the stock collapsed is the same length as a pistol would be with just e buffer tube.
 
entropy, fast typing, small screen, need better proofreading. I corrected that to 17. I suppose you didn't know what I meant. I'm sure you never made a typo error.
Actually, I thought you meant 19. Just razzing you, while pointing it out to those who don't know. And yes, I make typos all the time, and they are worse on a phone...:eek:

No offense intended, Griz22.
 
I agree with you but in Ohio you can not have a loaded non-handgun. With a CCW permit you can have a loaded handgun only. Ohio considers loaded rifle mags the same as a having a loaded rifle if it is in the vehicle. This means if you have a rifle in your truck all mags for it must be unloaded which makes for a long time to get that rifle into operation.

I also don't like donut spares but it sure beats walking.
 
The overall length of an AR15 pistol and a folding stock
AK is similar. I have both and the AK is superior to the
AR15, except for weight. And carrying it in a truck makes
the weight a non issue.
 
swede4198 are you sure about that? I researched the statute and it seems to me you can have a loaded magazine for a long gun in the car as long as it is in a container separate from the long gun. A pouch on the outside of an AR case would meet this requirement. This is supported by interpretations on the Buckeye Firearms forum.

I'd also disagree that loading an AR takes "a long time". Taking a magazine out of a case and loading it into an AR takes like 2 seconds. Yes, there is that argument that the 2 seconds could be critical but then you may want to reconsider your tactics.
 
If the magazines have to be unloaded it will take longer than 2 seconds.

FWIW the average human can run 15 mph or 22 feet per second over 14 yards in two seconds.

But that's not carrying an rifle and trying to load the mag at the same time.
 
I think we've already dismissed the idea that you might grab a "truck gun" rifle or carbine for an immediate threat anyway. Sure, you can't get those mags loaded in the time it takes for a bad guy to cross 7 yards, but that won't matter 'cause you can't get your rifle out from under the seat and out of the case in that time anyway.
 
I agree with you but in Ohio you can not have a loaded non-handgun. With a CCW permit you can have a loaded handgun only. Ohio considers loaded rifle mags the same as a having a loaded rifle if it is in the vehicle. This means if you have a rifle in your truck all mags for it must be unloaded which makes for a long time to get that rifle into operation.

I also don't like donut spares but it sure beats walking.
swede4198 are you sure about that? I researched the statute and it seems to me you can have a loaded magazine for a long gun in the car as long as it is in a container separate from the long gun. A pouch on the outside of an AR case would meet this requirement. This is supported by interpretations on the Buckeye Firearms forum.

I'd also disagree that loading an AR takes "a long time". Taking a magazine out of a case and loading it into an AR takes like 2 seconds. Yes, there is that argument that the 2 seconds could be critical but then you may want to reconsider your tactics.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.16

(K) As used in this section:
...
(5)

(a) "Unloaded" means

, with respect to a firearm other than a firearm described in division (K)(6) of this section, that no ammunition is in the firearm in question, no magazine or speed loader containing ammunition is inserted into the firearm in question , and one of the following applies:

(i) There is no ammunition in a magazine or speed loader that is in the vehicle in question and that may be used with the firearm in question.

(ii) Any magazine or speed loader that contains ammunition and that may be used with the firearm in question is stored in a compartment within the vehicle in question that cannot be accessed without leaving the vehicle or is stored in a container that provides complete and separate enclosure.

(b) For the purposes of division (K)(5)(a)(ii) of this section, a "container that provides complete and separate enclosure" includes, but is not limited to, any of the following:

(i) A package, box, or case with multiple compartments, as long as the loaded magazine or speed loader and the firearm in question either are in separate compartments within the package, box, or case, or, if they are in the same compartment, the magazine or speed loader is contained within a separate enclosure in that compartment that does not contain the firearm and that closes using a snap, button, buckle, zipper, hook and loop closing mechanism, or other fastener that must be opened to access the contents or the firearm is contained within a separate enclosure of that nature in that compartment that does not contain the magazine or speed loader;


(ii) A pocket or other enclosure on the person of the person in question that closes using a snap, button, buckle, zipper, hook and loop closing mechanism, or other fastener that must be opened to access the contents.

(c) For the purposes of divisions (K)(5)(a) and (b) of this section, ammunition held in stripper-clips or in en-bloc clips is not considered ammunition that is loaded into a magazine or speed loader.

(6) "Unloaded" means, with respect to a firearm employing a percussion cap, flintlock, or other obsolete ignition system, when the weapon is uncapped or when the priming charge is removed from the pan.
 
...that won't matter 'cause you can't get your rifle out from under the seat and out of the case in that time anyway.

Yeah, that's why I made the mount above, coyotes won't stand there forever.
 
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