AR triggers and accessories.

[CraigC]

I've put several Geissele single stage triggers in AR's and they were always a huge improvement over mil-spec triggers. Ordering another right now. Never saw any issues running them fast either.

EDIT: Now that we're splitting hairs and redefining words, when I say "Geissele trigger", I mean a single stage trigger made and marketed by "Geissele Automatics". Not the offshoot ALG brand. In this case specifically, the Competition trigger meant for 3-gun and comes with two springs for either a 3.2lb or 4lb letoff. Usually selling for around $150-$160, rather than the usual $250-$500.

B-GC GEISSELE COMPETITION TRIGGER | Brownells

Don't Spend a Fortune! Available ONLY at Brownells Geissele and Brownells have teamed up to offer two unique triggers that give you the best performance at the best price! As one of the oldest and largest distributors of Geissele products, we had ...

www.brownells.com

 

[N555]

A lot of the problem here is just what actually is a"bad trigger" and to whom, and why?

I personally don't find stock triggers on most things to be "bad" by any means, but I'm often told by others, that those same triggers are terrible and unshootable, and you couldn't possibly shoot well with them. Which, I never seemed to have any trouble doing. So what am I doing wrong?

I would say you need to be able to shoot any factory trigger reasonably well, and if you cant, then you need to address that. Gun companies don't make guns with crappy triggers on purpose, and I think 99% of the time, the reality is, the problem isn't with the gun, but with the shooter.

They have to make guns lawyer approved triggers for sale to the general public. If you want a gun that has a 8oz trigger with no creep you have to buy it and put it in or do a trigger job or pay someone to do it.

 

[N555]

After seeing so many people insisting the lower end single stage Geisslle triggers were so great I decided to try one and see what I was missing. I think I got it on sale for $80 or so.

I swapped them out and really couldn't tell the difference between the one I took out that had been shot a lot, and theirs. If anything, theirs had more crunch in it, and down the road, I eventually cleaned it up with some others and wrote the wasted money off. It was "OK" as it came, but I wouldn't waste the money on one, and that one was on sale for a good bit off to boot. Dont remember what they were going for normally, but that's just even more insult.

My biggest issue and worry with a lot of these tuned aftermarket triggers is, are they safe for anything but bench or static recreational type shooting? From the sounds of what some seem to think is necessary to be able to shoot well with, I would have to wonder if they were. And that goes for handgun triggers as well, not just rifle triggers. Do you trust them and/or yourself with them, in a loaded gun that gets actual use and handling and the banging around that goes with that?




Ive never thrown a scale on any of mine, but I seriously doubt they are 8 or 9 pounds. My auto pistols triggers are all factory and my Glock triggers (5.5# connectors) really don't feel much different than my stock AR triggers. So what? 5-6 pounds? At least by "feel".

As Ive said before, the only thing that I find to be annoying with some of the stock triggers is the "crunch" that some seem to have. And if you're dry firing and shooting a lot, that usually goes away before too long, depending on how crunchy it is.

Lately if there is crunch in there, Ive taken to just polishing the triggers and sears with a Dremel and a felt tip with some light polishing compound and clean things up a little. About 5 minutes work, a dab of copper anti sieze on the sear after, and you have a nice, smooth trigger with a clean break and you havent compromised anything or changed the weight.

All the "mil-spec" ones I have checked have been around 5 and 6.5lb.

 

[SCiesie154]

My recommendation, based on 24+ years of experience, is to buy a Rock River Arms Coyote Rifle. It will have everything you need to be a tack driver. My RRA rifles and components have been flawless in thousands of hot loaded rounds.

 

[bfoosh006]

Schmid two stage triggers are an excellent value for under $100
Sold by several vendors, Aero, FCD, etc..
I picked up a couple from Centurion Arms
Those replaced a BCM and PSA EPT trigger, that's made by Schmid also.

When I was looking at getting a Ruger SR762 the one off the rack had a not so great trigger.
The PSA EPT was the only comparison I had and I figured I'd get another one as they're like $60 or so.
The rifle they brought from the back had their new two stage trigger in it, which had me all goofed up at first when I dry fired it at the store.
Almost thought something was installed backwards in the trigger but then realized it was a two stage, a bit of take up then a nice clean break.
Wound up putting two stage triggers in my other rifles not long after using that one for a bit.

FWIW... Ruger was one of the first companies to start using the Schmid 2-stage ( Under their Ruger name )

And you might find this testing interesting... and there are many other triggers thoroughly tested.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Robotic-Testing-AR15-Triggers-Updated-5-1-2023/12-779525/
Note.... The Centurion version of the Schmid 2-Stage was smoother then the PSA version.

PSA version...

 

[mavracer]

I've put several Geissele single stage triggers in AR's and they were always a huge improvement over mil-spec triggers. Ordering another right now. Never saw any issues running them fast either.

Geissele SSP or the ALG?

 

[mavracer]

After seeing so many people insisting the lower end single stage Geisslle triggers were so great I decided to try one and see what I was missing. I think I got it on sale for $80 or so.

I swapped them out and really couldn't tell the difference between the one I took out that had been shot a lot, and theirs. If anything, theirs had more crunch in it, and down the road, I eventually cleaned it up with some others and wrote the wasted money off. It was "OK" as it came, but I wouldn't waste the money on one, and that one was on sale for a good bit off to boot. Dont remember what they were going for normally, but that's just even more insult.

Yeah especially when the Larue at that time was like $85 and they'd knock 5 bucks off each if you bought 3.

 

[CraigC]

Geissele SSP or the ALG?

The GC and probably some others.

B-GC GEISSELE COMPETITION TRIGGER | Brownells

Don't Spend a Fortune! Available ONLY at Brownells Geissele and Brownells have teamed up to offer two unique triggers that give you the best performance at the best price! As one of the oldest and largest distributors of Geissele products, we had ...

www.brownells.com

 

[mavracer]

The GC and probably some others.

That's a very different trigger and roughly double the cost of the ALG everyone else is talking about.

https://geissele.com/alg-combat-trigger-act.html

 

[CraigC]

That's a very different trigger and roughly double the cost of the ALG everyone else is talking about.

https://geissele.com/alg-combat-trigger-act.html

Not a Geissele, is it? ALG is a separate brand and those are milspec triggers. Why would they be an improvement? I was responding to this:

"After seeing so many people insisting the lower end single stage Geisslle triggers were so great I decided to try one and see what I was missing."

Geissele trigger usually range $250-$500. In which case, the $150 GC is a "lower end single stage Geissele trigger". The ALG isn't, because it isn't a Geissele. You just fishing for an argument again?

 

[trackskippy]

Looks like its still a Geissele product to me.

https://geissele.com/alg-home

 

[mavracer]

You just fishing for an argument again?

No I was actually just taking a stab that you weren't talking about the same trigger @trackskippy bought for $80. Looks like I was correct.
Like usual, other than admit you took something out of context you are the one trying to argue semantics that ALG isn't a Geissele brand.

 

[drobs]

Just to set the record straight:
This becomes even more important in the hunting context that the original poster stated, where making clean and ethical kills is preferable.

If you don't think you can make a clean ethical shot on a deer with a Mil-Spec trigger, then I stand by what I said, you need to work on the basics of rifle shooting.

 

[CraigC]

No I was actually just taking a stab that you weren't talking about the same trigger @trackskippy bought for $80. Looks like I was correct.
Like usual, other than admit you took something out of context you are the one trying to argue semantics that ALG isn't a Geissele brand.

Hey, check out my fancy new Beretta!

Whoops, not actually a Beretta but an Uberti. Uberti is just owned by Beretta. Funny how that works. Go to the Geissele site, click on triggers. You get to this page. Where are the ALG's?

https://geissele.com/triggers.html

Nowhere. Go to Brownells, go to rifle triggers, sort by the brand "Geissele", no ALG's. Because ALG is a separate brand.

https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-triggers-parts/?facets=Brand%3AALG+DEFENSE&sort=NumberOfReviews

Trackskippy did not say ALG, he said Geissele. We were not talking about the same thing and that is the reason. Words matter. Words have meaning. I can't read your minds and can only go by the words on the screen. I admit, I had never heard of ALG triggers before now and five minutes after this stupid argument, I'll probably forget about them because I don't mess with milspec triggers. Fact remains, Geissele triggers and ALG triggers are two very different things.

So the answer is yes, you were just fishing for an argument. Rest assured, I will be ignoring your nonsense 100% of the time from this point forward.

 

[CraigC]

If you don't think you can make a clean ethical shot on a deer with a Mil-Spec trigger, then I stand by what I said, you need to work on the basics of rifle shooting.

You certainly can but for me, it's about continuity. Maybe I'm just lazy but with the number of rifles I may shoot in any given month, I really need my sporting triggers to be comparable. So every AR I use in the field needs a better trigger. They all need to be similar and predictable. The Geissele trigger I just ordered is strictly because I've been hunting with the .300 pistol and it still has the factory trigger. It throws me off because it's about double what the others are.

 

[mavracer]

ALG stands for Amy Lynn GEISSELE

 

[Hookeye]

If you don't think you can make a clean ethical shot on a deer with a Mil-Spec trigger, then I stand by what I said, you need to work on the basics of rifle shooting.

Are we talking sub 100 yard on a deer or 200 plus yards on a varmint?

 

[BreechFace]

ALG stands for Amy Lynn GEISSELE

Came here to post this for peoples reference.

https://geissele.com/alg-home

This is why ALG triggers in AK's are the trigger to beat.

They make good AR triggers as well, I'm just a LaRue trigger guy, hard to beat the affordability of LaRue on their $80 sales that I just put them in everything so there is commonality on the trigger front of all my AR's.

 

[CraigC]

ALG stands for Amy Lynn GEISSELE

No kidding, I know that smart guy. Good for you, you thought you tripped me up. Still not a friggin' Geissele trigger. It's an ALG trigger.

The brand is ALG Defense. Not Geissele. You can split hairs for whatever reason you think this is necessary but it doesn't change the facts. An ALG trigger is not a Geissele trigger. No more than my leatherwork is associated with my IT business.



There's a difference here. If you look and think real hard, you'll maybe see it.



So if I say "Geissele trigger", it could mean an $80 ALG? If I say "ALG trigger", it could mean a $500 Geissele? Amy Lynn Geissele would probably be pretty disappointed that people thought her brand was just interchangeable with Geissele Automatics. Kinda defeats the purpose, doesn't it? I guess the meaning of words and precision of language is secondary when you have a petty argument to win.

 

[trackskippy]

Trackskippy did not say ALG, he said Geissele.

I said Geissele because I bought it off their website (says Geissele right there at the top ). Its one of their triggers. They say right on there its one of their brands.

You are splitting hairs saying otherwise. But, by all means you do you. I know the rabbit hole we are all about to go down when we have the gall to disagree with you. So, have fun revving up.

Oh, and I still wouldn't waste the money on one, regardless of the name its being called. Just more marketing BS to convince you couldn't possibly shoot well without it, and to let them suck the money out of your wallet.

The money is better spent on ammo and trigger time.

 

[CraigC]

I said Geissele because I bought it off their website (says Geissele right there at the top ). Its one of their triggers. They say right on there its one of their brands.

You are splitting hairs saying otherwise. But, by all means you do you. I know the rabbit hole we are all about to go down when we have the gall to disagree with you. So, have fun revving up.

Oh, and I still wouldn't waste the money on one, regardless of the name its being called. Just more marketing BS to convince you couldn't possibly shoot well without it, and to let them suck the money out of your wallet.

The money is better spent on ammo and trigger time.

I wouldn't waste money on one either. For me, a milspec trigger is just to get it to go bang and I prefer to buy LPK's without a fire control group. I wasn't trying to call you out, it was simply a misunderstanding. Because when someone says "Geissele trigger", I assume they mean Geissele trigger. Not an offshoot brand that sells a milspec trigger under a completely different name. It's only obvious if you're looking at the Geissele site or you already know that ALG is associated with them. I've never been to their site before now. I always bought them from Brownells, Primary Arms, or some other reseller. In which case, they are marketed as completely different brands. With that known, I still would not assume that when someone said "Geissele trigger", they meant ALG.

We both assumed. You assumed everyone reading would know that ALG was a Geissele brand. I assumed that "Geissele trigger" meant Geissele trigger. Now that all that is clear, there is no reason to derail the thread over it, because I'm tired of typing out "Geissele".

 

[DesertFox]

ALG are excellent especially for the price. Personally have purchased and tested upwards of 20 AR triggers for builds and as replacements. Three really stand out:

Elftmann - drop in or component, several different models, break like glass, short reset, some are adjustable. Pro model utilizes screws in place of trigger pins. Trigger rides on a roller bearing for unbelievable smoothness.
Rise Armament RA-535 - drop in, almost zero trigger movement, breaks like glass.
Hyperfire Hipertouch Comp - component, minimal trigger movement, hard hitting for mil primers, adjustable shoe, breaks like glass

 

[Robert]

If you don't think you can make a clean ethical shot on a deer with a Mil-Spec trigger, then I stand by what I said, you need to work on the basics of rifle shooting.

No one is saying that a mil spec trigger won't work or can't be learned well enough to work. What we are saying is that there are vastly superior options out there for relative little money that will aid in making shooters a better shot.

You don't want to run an aftermarket trigger, that's fine. I don't get it, but that's fine. But don't tell others they need to learn better basic marksmanship because they choose to use a trigger that is in every way better. I'm not in the military and I see no reason to confine myself to something designed and built by the lowest bidder. The bone stock trigger in my Winchester M70 is light-years better than the mil spec trigger I had in my AR. And it's not what I'd consider great.

 

[Justin]

If you don't think you can make a clean ethical shot on a deer with a Mil-Spec trigger, then I stand by what I said, you need to work on the basics of rifle shooting.

 

[irishlad]

Schmid two stage triggers are an excellent value for under $100
Sold by several vendors, Aero, FCD, etc..

Yes they are. I bought one from FCD and a LaRue trigger at same time. Like em both.