Bet Clint hand loads! —- .45 acp with; Speer 200 grain SWC & 4.9 grain of WST.I thought Clint with the .45 AARP because of his arthritis and early bird special at the local Dennys.
Bet Clint hand loads! —- .45 acp with; Speer 200 grain SWC & 4.9 grain of WST.
Clint don’t look like he trust anybody and loads his own!
No Way! Clint was rocking a Colt 1911A1 from the Korean War. Definitely .45 ACPAnd .45 SUPER
Not some weak-a .45 AARP
Another 500fps makes that point null & void."....less in every way be "superior"? Wait for it: .45 Colt=.452" .44 Mag=.430". You have to give the .45 Colt that. Fair is fair.
Uhmm, how so? .452" is .452" .430" is .430", is it not? I fully understand the .44 mag is more powerful than a .45 Colt. But, diameter measurements are just that. Can't get around that.Another 500fps makes that point null & void.
Not to mention that with commercial cast bullets, the meplat diameter is often the same. It's never equal to the difference in bullet diameter. People 'assume' the .45 is 0.022" bigger but it usually ain't.
The bullet diameter is irrelevant. It's the meplat that creates the wound channel, not what's behind it. Look at both the .44 and .45 LFN's, meplat is the same at .300. That means they will produce a similar wound channel but the .44 will have less friction and thus, penetrate deeper. All amounts to angels dancing on the head of a pin but it's more complicated than people like to think and details matter.Uhmm, how so? .452" is .452" .430" is .430", is it not? I fully understand the .44 mag is more powerful than a .45 Colt. But, diameter measurements are just that. Can't get around that.
This ain't bickering, it's a discussion.All fine and dandy, but, remember, I don't hunt with a handgun, so, metplat doesn't mean anything to me. Others possibly. Instead of bickering over this, read my posts here in this thread and possibly you'll see where I'm coming from. I get your point. Try to see mine. Fair enough?
Well, now we have a face to the name. Thank you for not looking like your (scary) avatar. BTW, nicely written little essay that surely reflects the sentiments of a lot of us on this particular forum.Piece I wrote about the wheel gun a few years back.
Yes, thank you. Geez, start a thread about .44 revolvers being dead and it devolves into which revolver caliber and load are the best, yikes!When people think of semiautos, 22lr, 9mm, and 45acp are king. Those are the staples and the standard calibers.
Likewise, regardless of all the back and forth debates and nitpicking, when it comes to revolvers AND when people think of revolvers, 38 special, 357 magnum, and 44 magnum are what people think of. It's not 45 Colt, 454 Casull, .460 S&W, .500 S&W, etc. 38 special, 357 magnum, and 44 magnum are the standard calibers that aren't going anywhere anytime soon as long as revolvers are being sold. There's no need to go down the rabid hole about what other big-bore calibers are the better or not IMHO.
My ffl buddy just tried to sell me on one of those in 500.......for less than 1/2MSRPTrigger Practice! I have a 4” with a giant comp and it’s a Earth Quake! I was thinking of putting .45 or light .45 Colt in the Mix of .460 and see how bad my flinch is
Make that an 8 shot 44 mag and I'd bite. But as a joke I'd put a small set of wagon wheels under the barrel and call it a mobile artillery piece.My ffl buddy just tried to sell me on one of those in 500.......for less than 1/2MSRP
his initial question was...."do you think it will hurt" my response "No, cause your never selling me that"
For me a handgun that large is a novelty, as such I want sling swivels, yeah needs sling swivels, and I want to be able to Crocodile Dundee anyone with it...."that's not a gun, THIS is a gun!"
I guess id need an appendix holster to make that work right..........hrrrmmm.....sling swivels might pinch......
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When Dirty Harry was being drafted, the Model 29 in .44 Magnum wasn't in production. They had such lackluster sales that S&W ceased production of the gun since what they had in inventory was enough for the meager orders that would trickle in.Maybe I'm wrong, but much of what drove the .44 Mag's popularity was it being the most available highest power handgun caliber 50+ years ago and its premier status in films of the 1970s like Dirty Harry and Taxi Driver. Today there's far more powerful calibers that are easily available online and most movies these days are all about speed and 9mm.
I don't want to say the .44's are dying as all things seem to go thru peaks and troughs, but unlike .45 revolvers where there's always the potential for cutting them for moon clips to use .45 ACP and the popularity of the .410/.45 Colt revolvers and the Western craze thanks to video games like Red Dead Redemption 2 there's a strong case to be made that the .44 is losing popularity and unlikely to ever regain it.
"Sell the sizzle, not the steak."When push comes to shove, there is alot of performance overlap between various cartridges. Cartridge designers and cartridge/firearms manufacturers are always looking to the holy grail that will yield them that market that will yield them the most dollars for their buck.
Hence, we have many cartridges that have overlapping performance parameters.
But sometimes trying to "build a better mouse trap", aka a better cartridge, is counter productive and maybe working designs that are already available make a more efficient solution.
Dirty Harry literally put the Model 29 back into production and saved the .44 Magnum from obscurity.We'll never truly know but I always credited the .44Mag's popularity to Elmer Keith, Skeeter Skelton and silhouette shooting in the 1970's way more than Dirty Harry.
The .44Special eclipsed the Russian because there were no more new guns chambering the Russian and no reason to. What sold the Special was the revolver that originally chambered it, the Triple-Lock.
I never had much affinity for the .44-40 and never would've wanted a S&W 544 Wagon Train until I heard the late gunwriter Terry Murbach talk about his on the old Sixgunner forum. Saying it was one of the most accurate sixguns he'd ever owned and regaled us with stories relating to it. Made me want one, or at least not turn my nose up at the next one that presented itself. A good gunwriter will do that to you. Skeeter Skelton, Elmer Keith and John Taffin certainly did that for the .44 Special. Some of us fiends are still having them made, because nothing has changed about their utility or appeal.
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I just looked up the weight. 99.1 oz!My ffl buddy just tried to sell me on one of those in 500.......for less than 1/2MSRP
his initial question was...."do you think it will hurt" my response "No, cause your never selling me that"
For me a handgun that large is a novelty, as such I want sling swivels, yeah needs sling swivels, and I want to be able to Crocodile Dundee anyone with it...."that's not a gun, THIS is a gun!"
I guess id need an appendix holster to make that work right..........hrrrmmm.....sling swivels might pinch......
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I would just carry a rifle!!!!I just looked up the weight. 99.1 oz!