most AR's tolerate the steel case ammo. Steel doesn't expand as well as brass so the steel cases allow carbon "blow-by" to foul your chamber. Just keep it clean
Are Olympic arms ARs all bad?
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@ Leathermarshmallow.
In a discussion about a manufacturer of rifles, and comparisons to other rifles, You are the only person bringing an argument to the table that in any way bases itself in placing a negative personal connotation on other people, using unsubstantiated inferences on their physical conditions and experiences, rather than empirical and personal experiences regarding the rifles alone.
I think the gentleman is wondering why you feel the need to insult others rather than stick to the discussion at hand.
It's not so much hitting a nerve as wondering who stuck the bee in your bonnet.
Edit- Side note, As a complete AR "next to no knowledge guy" it took this thread to find out that Olympic makes an AR pistol without the Buffer tube that's driven me away from them as a semi-one armed shooter... Also found a Rock River PPS that fits my needs too. Thought I'd be stuck with a PLR-16 or such.
In a discussion about a manufacturer of rifles, and comparisons to other rifles, You are the only person bringing an argument to the table that in any way bases itself in placing a negative personal connotation on other people, using unsubstantiated inferences on their physical conditions and experiences, rather than empirical and personal experiences regarding the rifles alone.
I think the gentleman is wondering why you feel the need to insult others rather than stick to the discussion at hand.
It's not so much hitting a nerve as wondering who stuck the bee in your bonnet.
Edit- Side note, As a complete AR "next to no knowledge guy" it took this thread to find out that Olympic makes an AR pistol without the Buffer tube that's driven me away from them as a semi-one armed shooter... Also found a Rock River PPS that fits my needs too. Thought I'd be stuck with a PLR-16 or such.
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I think you may have missed his point, Dnaltrop, by taking offense.
What I read was that an Olympic Arms can be used and abused beyond what 99% of AR-15 M4 Clone owners will require. Purchasing a rifle that is more expensive and higher quality is mostly for sentimental and not practical reasons. The age and weight thing just emphasizes the practicality point.
The marginal practical benefit of purchasing a Noveske or LWRC or any other top tier rifle is small for the vast majority of shooters, if you are overweight and older then the marginal practical benefit is even less per dollar spent because the likelihood of being in or surviving long enough in a combat or SHTF situation to bring one of those rifles to the breaking point is even less. However, the marginal sentimental benefit absolutely increases. Since people are strongly driven by sentiment, then why not if you have the cash?
I agree that there is a more tactful way to put it, but I also see what he's getting at.
Resale value is another thing to consider if you're the kind that goes through gun lust of the month like many I know.
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What I read was that an Olympic Arms can be used and abused beyond what 99% of AR-15 M4 Clone owners will require. Purchasing a rifle that is more expensive and higher quality is mostly for sentimental and not practical reasons. The age and weight thing just emphasizes the practicality point.
The marginal practical benefit of purchasing a Noveske or LWRC or any other top tier rifle is small for the vast majority of shooters, if you are overweight and older then the marginal practical benefit is even less per dollar spent because the likelihood of being in or surviving long enough in a combat or SHTF situation to bring one of those rifles to the breaking point is even less. However, the marginal sentimental benefit absolutely increases. Since people are strongly driven by sentiment, then why not if you have the cash?
I agree that there is a more tactful way to put it, but I also see what he's getting at.
Resale value is another thing to consider if you're the kind that goes through gun lust of the month like many I know.
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Now I don't know about someones physical appearance or health, if they served our country or if someone is a snob for this mfg or that mfg. In the end it comes down to will it go bang and hit what you want it to. How does it feel in your hands, is the balance good, do you acquire a good or even instant sight picture when you bring it up from low ready (talking about an A2 upper here). Yes there are very high end units out there and I am sure worth the money, but I do indeed have an older Oly SA with heavy barrel 24" with a muzzle brake/compensater and it shoots sub MOA .5-.75 5 round groups @ 100 all day out of the box. I run match grade for range days and a combination of brass and steel case CTD bulk for pinking and NEVER once had a fail to feed or fail to fire.
The odds are you will not need to be in a combat situation (Lets pray not) or need it to defend you life, if it feels right in your hands, goes bang and you hit your intended target when you want it to don't worry about the name on the side. Enjoy your rifle and have fun.
Just my humble opinion.
The odds are you will not need to be in a combat situation (Lets pray not) or need it to defend you life, if it feels right in your hands, goes bang and you hit your intended target when you want it to don't worry about the name on the side. Enjoy your rifle and have fun.
Just my humble opinion.
the bottom line is this:
Olys are ok as far as ARs go. Will they work most of the time? probably.
BUT for about $150-$200 more, you can get a rifle that has gone through a much more stringent quality control process and is made with a higher grade of materials in respect to the barrel and bolt carrier group.
oly's use 4140 steel barrels, and steel of unknown origin for their BCG's. why buy that when you can get a 4150 barrel and a tool steel BCG for less than what 1000 rounds will cost?
look at the basic models from spike's, bcm, daniel defense, or if you have the onions, build one yourself. do yourself a favor and don't get impatient and save up a little more cheddar and get a quality gun.
maybe if more people did that, companies that use inferior materials would get their act together and start shaping up.
Olys are ok as far as ARs go. Will they work most of the time? probably.
BUT for about $150-$200 more, you can get a rifle that has gone through a much more stringent quality control process and is made with a higher grade of materials in respect to the barrel and bolt carrier group.
oly's use 4140 steel barrels, and steel of unknown origin for their BCG's. why buy that when you can get a 4150 barrel and a tool steel BCG for less than what 1000 rounds will cost?
look at the basic models from spike's, bcm, daniel defense, or if you have the onions, build one yourself. do yourself a favor and don't get impatient and save up a little more cheddar and get a quality gun.
maybe if more people did that, companies that use inferior materials would get their act together and start shaping up.
I had no issues with his point Neighbor, only his delivery.
There is no real need to qualify discussions about technical items and performance, with personal digs at people who disagree/bother the poster.
It deflects attention from any useful information that is there to impart and instead turns an otherwise productive conversation into a "Boy I hate those people" thread.
In a discussion regarding manners, behaviors and crass actions, absolutely that sort of commentary is entirely at home.
The gun owning public has enough issues to deal with as a whole without spiking every conversation with petty digs that serve no purpose other than to divide and weaken us.
There is no real need to qualify discussions about technical items and performance, with personal digs at people who disagree/bother the poster.
It deflects attention from any useful information that is there to impart and instead turns an otherwise productive conversation into a "Boy I hate those people" thread.
In a discussion regarding manners, behaviors and crass actions, absolutely that sort of commentary is entirely at home.
The gun owning public has enough issues to deal with as a whole without spiking every conversation with petty digs that serve no purpose other than to divide and weaken us.
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leathermarshmellow you should read the rules of THR when posting some thing like that. verry rude and judgemental.
leathermarshmellow you should read the rules of THR when posting some thing like that. verry rude and judgemental.
You know, I went back and read each and every post at least twice. I re-read what I have posted. I do not see that it is rude in any way. I guess you will have to forgive my hillbilly ways. I say things as I see them. Obviously I am not as eloquent in my expression as others. I still stand by what I said. My skin is not thin. That is why I am LEATHERMARSHMALLOW. Tougher on the outside, but really a softy underneath.
LMM I am one of the people least likely to pull a punch when it comes to AR discussions. Except for the Face shooters among us I probably have more practical training than most members here so I tend to tell people what I think about junk ARs. However the difference is that I at no point make it personal.
You seem to want to make it personal however. There is a difference between being blunt and being rude towards a person.
Comments like that have no place on this site. If I want to read things like that I will go over to ARFcom
You seem to want to make it personal however. There is a difference between being blunt and being rude towards a person.
Comments like that have no place on this site. If I want to read things like that I will go over to ARFcom
The early Olympic Arms ARs and Olympic Arms ARs with cast recievers were bad.
The current Olympic Arms ARs with forged recievers are good.
Olympic Arms also made AR recievers for SGW, Tromix, Palmetto, Dalphon, Frankford, and (old) Century Arms.
The current Olympic Arms ARs with forged recievers are good.
Olympic Arms also made AR recievers for SGW, Tromix, Palmetto, Dalphon, Frankford, and (old) Century Arms.
In most cases many people that think oly are crap, probably havent shot one, or at least one of the newer versions. Most of it comes from various forums where if you buy a certain brand or dont have a certain brand you are not in the cool kids group and have to sit with the nerds at lunchtime.
Are they the best AR on the market, I wouldnt know I havent owned them all, but mine works dandy.
I have owned 3 ARs, still have 2, one of which is my oly K16, I dont do match, I dont hunt zombies and I dont run 3 gun, and im not sitting in my shelter loading ammo waiting for the civilized world to come to an end.
I use it for Hunting and plinking, and so far it has been a great performer. If the SHTF, im pretty certain itll do the job, if thats what yer into. If you want something you can hang 40lbs of "tactical" garbage on and impress your friends or other forum members id get something else.
Hope you find what your looking for, GOOD luck
Are they the best AR on the market, I wouldnt know I havent owned them all, but mine works dandy.
I have owned 3 ARs, still have 2, one of which is my oly K16, I dont do match, I dont hunt zombies and I dont run 3 gun, and im not sitting in my shelter loading ammo waiting for the civilized world to come to an end.
I use it for Hunting and plinking, and so far it has been a great performer. If the SHTF, im pretty certain itll do the job, if thats what yer into. If you want something you can hang 40lbs of "tactical" garbage on and impress your friends or other forum members id get something else.
Hope you find what your looking for, GOOD luck
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Olympic makes a very VERY ACCURATE AR-15 as stated above there bolt carrier groups are not the best. guess you have 2 ask your self do i want a target rifle or a battle rifle?
very accurate as in moreso than all the others?
if you're talking like 1/4moa or something i would instantly be looking for one.
or like 1moa-ish like most other non target barreled versions? (in which case i would still consider them very accurate)
if you're talking like 1/4moa or something i would instantly be looking for one.
or like 1moa-ish like most other non target barreled versions? (in which case i would still consider them very accurate)
maybe he wasnt talking to you K. he said "them" is why i was thinking it.
not that im taking up for him, and would be dissappointed if it were directed at you. just an observation from outside the thread.
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I love listening to people argue about ARs... it really shows how little people know about them.... so many manufacturers use the same parts from the same companies, and I don't care who your favorite brand is... even the holy colt has had some very serious manufacturing issues....
I own some very high end AR's completely custom built, barrels that cost as much as the ARs listed in this thread, and most everything on my ARs is frivolous and just for the record there are no tacticool parts on my guns they are for hunting and precision shooting. but if I'm not on my game my buddies who have bushys, olys, and deltons, are running flawlessly and giving me a run for my money.. I always shoot a little better cause my money was spent on barrels, triggers, and optics.... but the point is, some guys aren't looking for what I have, if you want a clean running AR and you don't wanna break the bank, get an oly..
I guarantee the shooter will matter m ore than the gun.. I shoot a cheap stoeger double barrel when I shoot trap cause I just like the gun, it was about 200 bux. my cousin shoots a several thousand dollar browning, and some days he shoots better and sometimes I bust 23 of 25... don't get hung up on brands.. there are a few legitimate issues out there but they are not most of what people complain about.
I own some very high end AR's completely custom built, barrels that cost as much as the ARs listed in this thread, and most everything on my ARs is frivolous and just for the record there are no tacticool parts on my guns they are for hunting and precision shooting. but if I'm not on my game my buddies who have bushys, olys, and deltons, are running flawlessly and giving me a run for my money.. I always shoot a little better cause my money was spent on barrels, triggers, and optics.... but the point is, some guys aren't looking for what I have, if you want a clean running AR and you don't wanna break the bank, get an oly..
I guarantee the shooter will matter m ore than the gun.. I shoot a cheap stoeger double barrel when I shoot trap cause I just like the gun, it was about 200 bux. my cousin shoots a several thousand dollar browning, and some days he shoots better and sometimes I bust 23 of 25... don't get hung up on brands.. there are a few legitimate issues out there but they are not most of what people complain about.
Hypotheticaly .....if I got an oly....changed the Bcg......good to go..by the way UGA I got that saber flat top today... 
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