and a few more AD/ND
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- I have never AD/ND'ed, but I did do something stupid once.
I used to keep my ruger 22/45 handgun in my room because i liked to shoot at squirrels/birds with it from my back porch. I didnt keep it loaded but i kept a loaded mag next to it.
One day i grabbed the mag and gun, went out on the porch, loaded it and shot at a squirrel ( i missed ). Took out the magazine, racked the slide to eject cartridge and put it back in its holster in my room.
A couple of days later i went to shoot at another squirrel. So i grabbed my gun and put the magazine but didnt rack the slide. I went out on the back porch and went to rack the slide. I pulled it back, let it go and it only went forward about 1/8th an inch and stopped. Wierd, i thought, must of stovepiped. Tried again. Until I actually looked at the chamber and found a round already in the tube and a round right behind it that i was trying to feed. I sat dumbfounded for a few seconds until i realised what i had done. The day before, I didnt visually inspect the chamber to ensure the round ejected. My ejector had failed.
Easy lesson learned: ALWAYS visually inspect the chamber.
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- A young man was killed in SE Arkansas recently in a firearm accident. He and a friend were firing a Norinko SKS which became jammed. While trying to clear the jam, the round in the action (not chambered) fired and all or part of the casing was ejected and struck the boy killing him.
That's a surprisingly informative story. Apparently it was a piece of the shellcasing that entered the boy's body, rather than the bullet. The sheriff says (and I agree with him) that this was an unforeseeable accident.
If you have a missfire, leave the bolt closed and point the firearm downrange for a minute. Then unload the rifle and sharply eject the round so that it lands in a safe area. Then leave it be for a bit before disposing of it.
If your firearm is malfunctioning, unload it entirely before working on it. Keep chambers clean.
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- After a morning of typical classroom safety instruction, we headed out to the range for the "live fire" portion of the class. I was having a bit of a problem with the brand-new Springfield XD I was using (turned out to be an ammo issue) and I was in the process of putting it away during a ceasefire to swap it out for my GP-100 when suddenly I hear a "BANG!" so I'm thinking, whoever that was just got into deep squat with the RO instructor. Well, guess who? It turns out the cute lil' gal with the Ruger .22 was having a problem/question so one of the big, brave, knowledgeable instructors was helping her when he cut one loose on accident. Fortunately the other three rules were being followed and no one was hurt, but he sure got some looks.
That is the ONLY ND I have ever witnessed, and done by an "instructor" who was no doubt "distracted" while handling a loaded firearm.
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- I was unloading my Winchester 1890, my backyard squirrel gun. We had company coming over and he was a hunter, so I thought I'd show him my guns, so I was unloading this one before they got there. I had just helped my wife lotion her back, so my hands were a little slippery. Add to that, I was rushed and not thinking. Instead of taking out the magazine tube and dumping the .22s out first, I was racking the pump slide for every round, then lowering the hammer with my thumb. Well, after 2 or 3, my thumb slipped off the hammer. It lodged into the bottom of the baseboard, just where it meets the carpet, about 3 or 4 inches from the sliding glass door.
Here's what really shook me up about it. My wife was on the couch to my right, and my daughter (2yr old) was walking up behind me to see what I was doing. It took me about 20 years of gun handling to become complacent, but it got my attention for sure!
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- Not in the house. Knock on wood,(my head for one), the only AD I've had was when I was 15 (I'm 48 now)and rabbit huntin with my BIL. I had an old Mossberg 20 gauge, bolt action, with 2 round magazine and adjustable screw on choke. (It's since been stolen). Anyway, I couldn't remember if the slide safety was up for safe, down for fire, so I put it where I thought it was safe, and had the gun pointed down. Pulled the trigger and dang near blew my bil's foot off. He's about 6 years older than me, and short of beating the snot out of me, he got his message across pretty good. It was good lesson for me. Thankfully no one got hurt.
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- i have shot the ceiling of the indoor range i go to. i was embarrassed when it happened but then didint feel as bad when i looked at the ceiling and noticed many holes in it.
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- We were in Hunters safety course and the high dollar Fenwerkbau pellet gun discharged as I closed the breech. Another new hole in the ceiling tile. Instructor was mad, guy next to me saw the whole thing and told the teacher I did not have my finger anywhere even near the trigger and was simply closing the action. One hand was on the forend of the stock, the other on the long pump like arm that closed the breech and pumped up some air I suppose. Bottom line, both hands were at least 1 foot away from the trigger during discharge. Good safety lesson, bad gun.
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- When my Dad was a kid he had a bolt action .410. It's in my cabinet now, hasn't been shot in ages. Here's why. Dad was getting ready to go bust some bunnies and tree rats, figured he'd just top off the mag (detachable box) before putting on the gloves and stepping out into January weather. He works the bolt, BANG! upon closing. He'd put so many rounds through it that the sear is worn WAY beyond safe limits. If I take it out of the cabinet now, work the bolt and put the safety on, I can drop the firing pin by tapping the trigger SIDEWAYS.
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- My near ND was shortly after returning stateside from the service. Single life as a civilian was agreeing with me, had a job and apartment all to myself. Shotgun by bedside, out of habit. One night I'm laying in bed, sound asleep, when I here a "Whump!" and I come up with the shottie, I actually really woke up when the bolt went foreward. That's when I saw the laundry I'd stacked up had fallen over. You know, single guy, last pair of skivvies, 8 baskets of clothes to do all at once. Stacking them up gives a Tower of Pisa effect.
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- Up until recently I had not had any sort of mishap in 25 years of
shooting/handling a firearm. I had become complacent, lazy, although
I thought I was being safe and knew exactly what I was doing I obviously
did not or else I would not be posting this now.
A high velocity Remington .40 is rather loud when it goes off in a small room.
I was getting ready to go to the store to buy some groceries, my CCW is the
last thing I add when I head out the door. I have an IWB holster that I
altered to carry my HK .40 upside-down in a cross draw manner down the back
of my pants. I put it in place and tightened my belt but something did not feel
right.
Mistake #1., I drew my HK (adhering to the 4 rules) adjusted my
holster and re-holstered my HK without loosening my belt.
..... the holster should have been removed, adjusted and reseated with the
HK holstered.
Mistake #2., I did not check my decock when the HK was re-holstered.
The HK still did not seem to sit correctly so I upholstered it again (adhering
to one less rule than before) and a ND occurred.
Mistake #3., repeating previous mistakes.
Mistake #4., My finger was not held out of the trigger guard.
It was an odd feeling when it went off. I automatically hit the decock and do
not even remember it. I was pointing it at the dresser draw I kept it in when
I discharged it.
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- Ok, so about 2.5 hours ago I had my first negligent discharge. To make it worse, it was in my house. Like everyone on this list who has never had an ND, I assumed that it would never happen to me.
The incident:
My wife and I attended a Christmas party tonight and I was carrying as usual, a Para LTC 1911 in an IWB holster. Over the course of about 3.5 hours I had ~5 drinks, 4 beers and a mixed drink to be exact. When we returned home, we talked with our friend who was watching our 17 month old son. After a few minutes of chit chat, and before our friend left, I engaged in what is my normal procedure, drop the mag, disengage the safety, rack the slide with the chambered round ending up in my hand and then drop the hammer (I know you can see it coming).
I make it a general practice to load/unload my gun before/after leaving the house. I do not feel the need to keep a loaded gun in the house, but I do like to have a gun on hand just in case. We live in a very secure gated community, but I recognize that anything can happen. That being said, I like the security of having a gun on hand when I am out and about. Likewise, I make it a practice to shoot all my ammo when I hit the range, so that I have no rounds possibly in my non-carry guns when I return home.
Anyway, I surmise that I disengaged the safety and racked the slide before dropping the mag, resulting in a live round being chambered when I dropped the hammer, despite there being a loaded round in my hand, resulting in the ND. After the round went off, I immediately dropped the mag, racked the slide and placed the gun in its normal storage spot without touching the trigger and checked to make sure that everyone was ok. Fortunately for all involved, including those not in the house, everyone was ok. After some investigating, the round ended up inside an air duct after passing through the drywall. It was at ~30 degree downward angle from my chest, entered an interior wall at about my mid thigh and would have ended up in the basement. There are no exit holes on the other side of the wall or in the basement. I pushed a rod through the hole and can see the rod where it entered the air duct and it looks like it didn’t leave. Unfortunately, I can not track down the bullet without braking down the HVAC to be 100% sure. I am yet to find the spent casing.
Aftermath:
My wife and son are safely asleep right now, which I am very thankful for. I do not know what I would have done if anything happened to one of them or any other innocent bystander for that matter. Bottom line, I feel completely terrible and sick to my stomach.
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- Mine was in combat - back at the fire-base. Very similar situation, identicle results - no one hurt, me with a load in my shorts!
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-When I was a kid on the farm, I was dry firing a .22 lever action in my room. Popped it off maybe 3-4 times, then started doing the "Rifleman" quick rack of the action.
About the 2nd or 3rd cycle, a live round jumped out. The round had hung up in the tube feed.
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- I once shot out a window with a .357 from the second story of my home, aiming an "unloaded" gun at a piece of paper on the ground on the prairie behind the house. Holy Crap! My ex-wife came running upstairs to see if I had shot myself on purpose, but I couldn't hear what she had to say for a little while. No substance abuse involved, just my normal brain cells at work.
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- I bought a filthy M1 Garand at an estate sale for a bargain price and spent hours cleaning it up. I got it clean, dry fired it, then wanted to see if it would chamber a round. It slam-fired when I released the operating rod. My bad.
The bullet (ball ammo) went through a wall, a hardwood floor, subfloor, and floor joist, then put a divot in the concrete basement wall. I'm not sure if my hearing ever fully recovered.
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- last weekend my wife was shooting my M1 and the bolt closed instead of locking open and she pulled the trigger and it went off before she handed it back to me Luckily it was up in the air
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Only had one, a long time ago. Chambered a round in a Luger in my apartment, and it went off! Round entered the floor, where it did no damage. Finger was off the trigger. Turned out the pistol had a bad sear.
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- I heard of this sort of thing happening at a firearms retailer near me. Someone went into this store with his rifle and a round in the pipe from deer hunting the previous year. The man had the rifle on the counter and intended to dry fire, but BANG!!!. No one was hurt.
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- I have never had an accidental or negligent discharge in the home but I have been at the range where I squeezed the trigger expected the gun to be empty only to have it discharge. Scared the bejezzus out of me.
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- I've had one AD at the range. I chambered a round in a Makarov and then removed the magazine to top it off. I laid the pistol down with it pointed down range, and then had to do something else for a minute, I forget what. When I picked the pistol back up, I pointed it at the target without a magazine inserted, forgetting that the Makarov doesn't have a magazine safety. I pulled the trigger and then cussed for a full minute. Luckily I was observing the safety rules. At least I hit the carboard target holder.
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- I pretty much dropped a pistol once, and like an idiot I caught it. BANG!
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- Yup. Lowering the hammer on my .357 revolver and didnt ride it down slow enough. Hit the primer with enough force to set it off. Had .38+P loaded in it at the time. Round went thru the wall and into the kitchen cabinet where it stopped.
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- Thirty-some years ago, my wife was loading her Colt Huntsman. It was all she had and was her home defense piece. She loaded the magazine and chambered a round. Well, we had this ritual of pointing the gun downward in a certain spot that was an outside, brick wall. Well...
BANG!
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- when i was 18 i went with my uncle to an indoor firing range and shot his custom 1911 until about 3 in the morning. at about 2:55am I was holding the gun, kinda sleepy, not really totally focused, when i suddenly got REALLY sleepy and my gun hand drooped to the point where i damn near dropped the gun. being very sleepy i pulled my hand back up and my finger unconsiously got inside the guard, touched off the extremely light competition pull trigger, and send a .45 acp into the ceiling.
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- I had a "stupid" discharge once. I was in a local IPSC club years ago, and the "hot" thing to do was modify magazines to hold 8 rounds. (1911 Colt) I came home from the range, dropped the magazine, stripped off 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. That's a full load. Pointed the gun at the bookcase and dropped the hammer. BOOM! Forgot the one up the pipe. No damage except to the bookcase, the tops of several books and the frame around the sliding glass door.
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- Thumb slipped lowering the hammer on my superblackhawk.
Muzzle was pointed downrange at the time. No harm done. Just a wakeup call.
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- Many years ago at the range I loaded a magazine into a Jennings 22 cal, retracted the slide and let it fly forward. The firing pin was jammed through the firing pin hole with some debries. The pistol went full auto and emptied the magazine.
After the incident, the rangemaster came over and he figured out what had happened. He said he had seen this happen before.
All it takes is a little speck of brass in the firing pin hole.
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- Two. Both with long guns.
First one occurred when I was 14 with a Win. M-94. I was deer hunting by myself and had climbed half way up a mountain and had stopped to rest. I placed the butt of the rifle on my thigh while holding it by the wrist of the stock. I had a round chambered and started playing with the hammer and trigger, cocking the hammer and then easing it down while looking around. At some point my thumb slipped off the hammer spur firing the rifle. Fortunately, the area I was in was remote enough that the bullet wasn't likely to hit anyone or anything on re-entry, but it still scared the bejeezus out of me. I wonder "what if" for quite a long time.
The second occured when I was about 21, with a Stevens 5100 SxS. Me and some buds were hunting jacks out in the desert and I had just shot one and was reloading. The gun then fired as I closed it. I found out later Stevens recalled the 5100 for firing when bumped or when closing the breech. Fortunately the barrels were pointed to the ground when it discharged.
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- I had one at the range many years ago when my Uzi model A was still pretty new. I was shooting some lead reloads using a "brass catcher" and had a stove pipe jam. As I removed the empty the bolt slipped stripping a round from the mag and firing same as the open bolt SMG was designed to do (hey, I thought the ATF required mods was supposed to prevent this!). Gun pointed safely down range at the time but it sure scared me and burned into my head to always remove the magazine as the first step of clearing any malfunction!
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- I had a .22 rimfire semi-auto Iver Johnson pistol years ago that was built like a Walther. One night I loaded a magazine into the weapon, chambered a round and put the decock safety on. The hammer went down, as always, but this time there was a loud BANG. Fortunately I had the muzzle pointed at the floor and only injured some carpet. Finger was NOT on the trigger. Unloaded it, put it into the gun safe and never loaded it again.
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- I had a chinese broomhandle mauser clone go full auto on me once. It litterally squirted 20 rounds downrange so quick it was just plain amazing. I did it twice just to see. I then tried it with only 5 rounds and it still did it. I finally took it back.
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