Are there ANY gun laws which are justified?

[ezypikns]

I was just looking at another thread discussing open carry pro/con in Texas. I have a CHL myself, and carry daily. There are as many opinions as there are posters. All are valid and reasonable, but as you might expect, they cover the entire spectrum.
Which sort of brought me to the question above. In your opinion, are ANY reasons to restrict the carry of firearms in this country? I'm not trying to be funny here. I'm curious.

 

[FeebMaster]

No.

 

[DunedinDragon]

I'd say it's probably not a good idea to wear it in the bathtub, but I don't think we need to pass a law for that....

 

[Otherguy Overby]

DunedinDragon I'd say it's probably not a good idea to wear it in the bathtub, but I don't think we need to pass a law for that....

Grasshopper, it's why God made Glocks and kydex...

 

[mrmeval]

"atlanta declaration"

http://www.lneilsmith.org/atlanta.html

 

[El Tejon]

Valid gun laws:

1. mandatory ownership for voting;
2. mandatory firearms classes in junior high and high school before graduation is allowed;
3. Mandatory firearms classes and knowledge before one is allowed to become a member of the media;
4. Sales tax on all movies, concerts, newspapers, cable television services and television sets to pay for the construction and maintenance of public shooting ranges.

 

[Baron Holbach4]

Is it true the Swiss have more of a pro-gun culture than the U.S.?

 

[CleverNickname]

I think it's probably ok to make it illegal to carry inside of prisons.

 

[Art Eatman]

Wright, Rossi & Daly, in their 1985 book, "Under The Gun", concluded that no gun control law passed by the Florida legislature had ever affected crime rates as to crimes with firearms in that state.

Aside from all the researching of data and interviewing prisoners at Raiford Pen and such research about the whole "gun thing", the authors are statisticians, numbers-crunchers, who began the study admittedly mildly anti-gun or neutral.

There are too many sources from which a Truly Bad Guy can get a firearm for any restrictions on purchase to be effective. NICS can only restrict the ease of purchase, and only from a licensed dealer--which is of little use in reducing gun crime.

Laws concerning carry merely provide a means of punishment for their violation, but do not reduce crimes involving firearms.

It does appear that the controls on fully-automatic weapons reduce the numbers of deaths/injuries in any given incident.

Art

 

[American By Blood]

Absolutely

Yes.

The Second Amendment.

 

[bigbore442001]

After cogitating on this post for a bit, I can honestly say no. All of the gun laws that have been passed have had a number of true reasons but none have really acomplished what they were supposed to do, reduce crime. That may have been the paint job but the reality is for social control and a law that appeases the people who are followers and weak minded who do not want to defend themselves.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

Probably not strictly a gun control law, but I can accept some justification for a law absolving the user of a firearm in self-defense of personal liability to the perp and/or his family/heirs for injury or death incurred.

 

[Zundfolge]

I think it's probably ok to make it illegal to carry inside of prisons.

I don't think a law is necessary ... simply a policy of each prison to not allow guns.


The only gun laws I can see as actually see as justified are laws that prohibit minors from purchasing or possessing firearms without parental consent ... but even then I don't think the world would be worse off without them.

 

[Standing Wolf]

Wright, Rossi & Daly, in their 1985 book, "Under The Gun", concluded that no gun control law passed by the Florida legislature had ever affected crime rates as to crimes with firearms in that state.

That should surprise precisely no one: laws are obeyed by the law-abiding, but blithely ignored by law-breakers. What needs to be controlled isn't the behavior of the law-abiding, but the law-breakers. So-called "gun control" laws completely ignore law-breakers.

If you think that's an accident, I've got some lovely oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you.

 

[Ivy Mike]

I believe the laws preventing some criminals, the mentally ill and illegal aliens from owning guns are valid.

These laws actually serve the common good, however, the general populace needs firearms in case a person mentioned above decides to break said law.

 

[shermacman]

Yes!
There is a need for gun laws.
Anyone who disagrees is an idiot.
I have thought about this long and hard. I have spent a great deal of time on the subject and think that there absolutely needs to be this law:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

Am I right, or am I right?

 

[taliv]

ezpikns, yes.

as i stated previously on a similar thread, if there were no gun laws, then it would be legal for everyone in times square to discharge their guns off up in the air new years eve, or for that matter, any time they felt like it. obviously, that would be bad, and impossible to tell who fired the bullet that landed on your head or car.

additionally, while i 100% support everyone walking around with a gun, i don't want them firing it off in my suburban neighborhood at 2am, or in my office building, or downtown even if they're doing so in an otherwise safe manner.

if i were dictator, i would make the use of silencers mandatory and you would have to have a permit from the local sheriff to discharge a gun without one.

if there were not a relatively powerful gun-control movement in this country, then i would actually support a lot of gun laws. the purpose of those laws would have nothing to do with trying to keep them out of the hands of criminals or similar impossible ideals. rather, they would be about the behavior of law abiding folks. they would primarily be oriented around safety, e.g. range behavior, and noise abatement


edit: i also support restrictions of calibers for sporting use. e.g. it should be illegal to hunt deer with a 22lr

 

[Capital Punishment]

There is one gun law here in Maryland that i totally agree with.

I believe it says that anyone who isnt a convicted felon MUST buy at least ONE GUN A MONTH. I tell ya its becoming quite costly for me to keep buying these guns every month but you cant argue with the law now can you.

 

[MattBeck]

Taliv - thats different.

Legislating the discharge of firearms into the air is legislating dangerous behavior, not firearms right.

Its like saying "If there truly were no gun laws, i'd be allowed to shoot people", which is 100% incorrect. Murder, or discharging a firearm into the air are dangerous behaviors that should be illegal, that are completely separate from gun rights and gun control.

 

[grimjaw]

I could be remembering this incorrectly.

I thought we were required in high school to take 'Civics' classes to educate us about our rights as citizens. Among the topics discussed were the Bill of Rights.

Any reason we can't require education about the 2nd along with the others?

jmm

 

[rero360]

I've thought about this and I feel that the current criteria to purchase a firearm is pretty good, not perfect, but nothing is. However I feel that we don't need any new laws, I think that I should be allowed to own anything I want, but if I were to committ a crime using a deadly weapon, doesn't have to be a firearm, then I should be removed from society for ever. A person who intentially goes out and causes bodily harm to others should be removed from the populace, because they're are bond to committ like crimes again, and no life in prison either.

one thing I've wondered about is how many legally owned class three weapons/items have been used in a crime by the lawful owner. my guess would be close to if not 0.

so I say less laws and harsher penalties.

 

[MattBeck]

Rero360 - Since 1934 (when the NFA was enacted) ONE legally owned machinegun has been used in a murder. An ex-cop used a personally owned MAC-10 or 11 to murder his neighbor, as I recall.

Conversely, illegally owned machineguns have turned up in crime quite a bit. Amazing how the law abiding follow the laws, and criminals still manage to obtain and use highly restricted weapons...

 

[rero360]

Thank you Matt, thats about what I figured

 

[Herself]

Mrmeval: +1000!

"Every man, woman, and responsible child has an unalienable individual, civil, Constitutional, and human right to obtain, own, and carry, openly or concealed, any weapon -- rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything -- any time, any place, without asking anyone's permission."
--L. Neil Smith

I'd offer to have that man's children, but I'm too old and a much-better-looking gal beat me to it.

 

[afasano]

Only the 2nd. Amendment.