Twenty five years responding to GSW's in the E.R's of various hospitals in several war zones of this country have left me convinced of this:
357---very nasty round IF equipped with good hollowpoints. I've only seen five individuals come into an E.R. after being shot with this round. Three were D.O.A., one bled to death from one round into the groin that hit the femoral artery; one made it through surgery and lived.
9mm--second most effective round. I will say it's not unusual to find guys in the E.R. with up to 6 slugs in them, still very much alive and talking. They were out of the fight, but alive.
45 ACP---third choice. If you pick your ammo very carefully (heavy slug, high FPS and Corbons), a 45 can be very lethal. On the other hand, I've seen a number of guys that took multiple rounds before they went down.
Anything other than these three--it's really shot placement. We had a stripper come in one night who had the misfortune to walk out of the club into the middle of a gunfight. She caught a .380 just to the right of her nose and was D.O.A.---so the little slugs can kill too!
Bill
Not to be a jerk bill but this info is also subjective. Most gang-banger, thugs, gangsta's, etc... care the almighty (YEAH RIGHT) 9mm (NINE, for you G-Unit, .50cent thugs out there, no offense my
LoL!!!)
Why??? It's cheaper and easier (sometimes) to conceal how many of these fools and criminals have the money or the 5-finga discount ability to get their dirty grubby hands on anythign else???
So with that said yeah you info is subjective.
How many of those cases involed police casualties, civilian casualties, casualties caused by the police, the criminals, and or innocent civilians??
All these are factors that yet again are being left out in the stats.
Distance, caliber, propellent type and amount, shot placement, condition of target (drugs no drugs, to include alcohol, otc's, and perscripts) armor no armor. etc... the list is endless with combos and change stats drastically from situation to situation.
I am not going to listen to what a mag tells me, I will go with shear comfortability and gut instinct, to care me thru.
I choose .45acp with nasty JHP
Why??? not the stats that's for sure. Because I have seen what the round does to the different targets and a wall unfortunately and I know that if it does that to hard surfaces what will it do to a man???
Again *SIGH* shot placement is the key factor here not the caliber.
a .22 in the head turns your brain to red pudding that will ooze out your ears and the hole of impact. by the time you hit the ground. that said .22 = 100% one shot stop. Do I carry a .22 for this fact NOT USUALLY but I have.
.45 (good JHP ammo) to the chest direct impact to the heart, heart (metaphorically) explodes. .45 = 100%. Do I carry that for this reason... yeah kinda but not really.
It's also a preference thing.
Like one of you said what are you comfortable with, what do you shoot accurately.
All guns where made to do the same thing, just like how all bow & arrow, knives, sharp stick, etc... Kill no matter how many shots fired or stabs/slashes given, the resulting operation of interest is the same KILL!!!
So why do we have this debate??? I for one think that this is fun. Helpful??? depends on who you are, for me sure it is. I can learn alot about my .45 and .22lr rounds here in this thread. But what I won't walk away with is anything that will do me any good unless
A: I am given a stiuation to use said knowledge.
B: put said knowledge to efficient/effective use at said time of situation.
This debate has been fun, but don't some of you feel that it is getting old and redundent???
USMCDK