Arrested: Part 1

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Is there no mechanism to come in, plead guilty, pay your fine and go home in CS? If so it looks like you had over a friggin' month to take care of your business and you want a grace period added to your court date? What happens to someone from out of state that gets a ticket? Can they not mail in their fine?
As far as them wanting to confiscate the CC license and guns. Sounds like the officer didn't know what to do. Probably a pretty rare occurence. I never arrested a CCW carrying license holder in all my years. They eventually got it right. No harm, no foul.
 
Doesn't anyone have an issue with an officer wanting to confiscate a house full of firearms over something as silly as a bench-warrant for a traffic offense? Or wanting to confiscate a cc permit of someone that just happened to be in the house at the time?
I have an issue with it.
You were irresponsible on several levels.
We've heard this a couple times already. Who here hasn't been?

Sounds like the second deputy was way out of line. I'm assuming he's a rookie...
 
With all that is going on these days... the idea that a police department is using their resources to track down and arrest traffic offenders is funny. They must have received "bail out" money. You should check to see if there are any retention bonuses being given out.
 
Wow, I'm amazed the cops had nothing better to do than track down a freshly-issued warrant. I'm currently working as a City Prosecutor and warrants are issued all the time for people who don't show up to court - BUT - here, no police officer has the time to go manhunting. Issuing a warrant only means that the next time the defendant is pulled over and he produces his license, it will come back as having a warrant when the cop runs it. And warrants issued by a traffic court are not immediately broadcast to the FBI and the State Troopers via some sophisticated computer system - maybe they are in CO, but that is not the norm! Hell, the FBI doesn't have the capabilities to talk to the CIA or the NSA , let alone some little town traffic court --- so I don't know what the problem was at the gun store.
 
I am trying to figure out why you would post this at all if you are not willing to reveal the whole story? You choose to withhold information that you deem relevant to the topic and then ask (implied) for sympathy or support. Tell the story or keep it to yourself but to post this as you have, it's either a load of BS or not worth my time reading or your time typing.
 
it was definitly excessive, but you did kinda bring it on yourself.

ive never gotten a ticket that didnt cause me to piss and moan (at myself) until it was taken care of and behind me.

i have always told myself, and others, (who for the most part disagree and want to state thier rights) that a cop can do whatever they want, whenever they want, to 99% of the folks out there.

ok, legally maybe they cant, but you know what i mean.

it kinda sounds like it was up to the two officers to discuss between themselves what to do, and pretty much decided what they wanted to do. and if only the one that was harsher was there, you would have had it worse, whether rightfully so or not.

a cop can do whatever they want to do.

best approach for me, send that crap in by mail, ontime, everytime, then stay out of their way.

many of them have serious power trip issues.
 
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You were irresponsible on several levels.

We've heard this a couple times already. Who here hasn't been?

So since everyone does it it's ok? Sorry, I've never missed a court date when I had one. How many have you missed?
 
So since everyone does it it's ok? Sorry, I've never missed a court date when I had one. How many have you missed?

actually, im 43 and have had my share but ive never missed one.

ive called in for an extension, but ive never missed.

my son has had 4-5 and hes never missed one, ive made sure of it.

theres a lot of folks out there probably who have never missed a court date.

that does not mean the cops werent a bit excessive.
 
Look, I am very sympathetic with regard to over-zelous law enforcement; I have seen it. In this case, though, I cannot see they have much choice. Municipalities are frequently sued for demonstrating disparit treatment. In other words, the best defense for them is to treat everyone exactly the same. Second, if they do not execute issued bench warrants, then pretty soon no one shows up for court at all. Second, if you knew you were at high risk for having deputies visit, was it appropriate to have a number of weapons out for display? I can certainly see how a number of weapons out would be alarming to an inexperienced cop. Good that this ended with your collection intact, charges dropped & no one harmed.
 
I haven't denied being in the wrong. I don't agree with the policy that is in place that they would show up at a person' home and arrest them and search their house and want to confiscate legal weapons and the permit of an innocent bystander over a traffic warrant for a person with no record.


Is there no mechanism to come in, plead guilty, pay your fine and go home in CS?


I received two tickets, one for expired registration and the other was for proof of insurance. I believe that you can pay your fine ahead of time if you are pleading guilty and just want to pay the fine. But since a POI ticket is worth 4 points on my license, I had to wait until my court date. I did have insurance, just couldn't find the card anywhere and I wanted to make sure that this part was dismissed and to do so I had to go to court. I had my insurance cards for the past 7 years (since I purchased the vehicle new) but couldn't find the current one....go figure, huh? haha It was even there, I just skipped over it somehow.


Datamonkey: I did agree to it, but I didn't intentionally not go. I was feeling sick and had been up almost the entire night before and because of that I overslept/slept in..., it just slipped my mind entirely. There's a THR member and my ffl as a witness to the fact that it was a genuine oversight on my part and that I tried to remedy the situation as soon as I remembered that same day, but the court was already closed by that point in the afternoon. I'm still responsible and never denied that.



Sounds like the second deputy was way out of line. I'm assuming he's a rookie...

I don't think that he was. He was an older deputy,late 40's early 50's, and I believe he was the same one I had seen a couple of years ago for something else (not trouble related). Although I didn't talk to him much, from what the other thr member told me, I don't think that the attitudes between the two deputies could have been any more different. I'm just glad that the deputy who seemed to be the one whose was call it was, wasn't an anti as well otherwise things could be very bad for not only myself, but another person as well.
 
Issue #1
I'm not clear as to why you didn't proactively take care of this before your court date. Fixit ticket, get the registration paid, find the card and get it squared away.

Issue #2
Sounds like at least one of the officers was rational, and probably unwillingly doing what he was ordered to do (arrest you for a fixit ticket).
The other officer, by your story, is the only one who deserves to be sent back to the academy, or booted from the force. He was obviously looking to flex his authority, even making up reasons to exercise it. They work for us, public safety right? While you were in the wrong, and set this entire episode up, he is the type of officer who makes the 99% of good fair hard working guys and gals look bad.
 
My wife had similiar occurence, I found the ticket in the car 4 months later after I returned from Iraq!! Well, she is a coward, so I went to the city hall with all the car information and they dismissed the charges. Then both clerks wondered why she had not been arrested. I was sweating for a little while there!!
 
In Colorado if you get a POI ticket the ONLY WAY to get it dismissed is to show up in court with an insurance card dated BEFORE you got the ticket.

4 points of your license will raise your insurance premium just a little.

As to this instance, they way I read your OP the "bad cop" really didn't know so he was asking. (maybe that's not what happened but that's the "voice" you wrote it in.). EPSO are usually pretty decent.

No matter what, we're here because YOU screwed up not the cops. When you sign the ticket it says right on it that a bench warrant will be issued.

Final thought, if you're not willing to tell the whole story we can't give you an honest opinion based on fact.

Sorry man but it is what it is.
 
I'm supposed to graduate later this year with my BS in Criminal Justice. This wasn't the way I wanted to get into they system.

I'm a fellow Coloradan in the exact same situation. Since beginning on this path of study, I've become MUCH more aware of my rights in regard to the interpretation of the BOR via SCOTUS precedent, and I'd be much more comfortable going through a situation such as yours with my knowledge of the criminal justice process that I now have.

That being said, I don't think either of us should be suprised that you were arrested. I think you SHOULD have been able to just call the Sheriff's department from home, tell them you'll be in first thing int he morning, and that would be that. Of course, I also think liquor stores should be able to be open 24/7, machine guns should be for sale at the hardware store, and our prison system should be revamped completely. This is to say, how it should be in my opinion or yours, is not how it is, and we have to deal with it while we make efforts to change the status quo.

While I was waiting for him to do this, another ADA came in and I asked her why people who were showing up to reschedule were being arrested and she looked at me like I had just kicked her cat. “Why wouldn’t we arrest them?” was her reply. I wasn’t about to argue with someone who thinks that this type of action is logical. Since she believes in the people’s right to a fair trial (), she mentioned in a very sarcastic tone that “I can’t believe this person wants to have a jury trial for a speeding ticket! What do I do?” The ADA who was dealing with me told her to just dismiss it and that it isn’t worth the trouble. Her response was “Are you kidding”? She actually made a trial date instead of dismissing it.

This on the other hand is just plain silly, and that woman that you dealt with REALLY would have irked me. I'm not sure how long she's had that job, but she needs to realize that a successful Sheriff's department is a cluster*&^*, and whenever possible, they need to incorporate a whole lot of expedition. That's how it is in any court across America, and they're not going to be sitting around twiddling their thumbs, waiting for someone to break a law somewhere in their jurisdiction so they can have something to do. No how, no way.

I also have little to no tolerance for police officers who err on the side of taking away rights, confiscation, and searching a non-moving traffic violater's home just because they can, especially with a situation like this, which is as distant as possible from being a improvisation-necessary emergency. All I'm saying is that they have no reason to have screwed up and should err on the side of getting it right and keeping their rear-ends covered in the process. Granted, the officer's CRS handbook wouldn't have answered this procedural questionf or them, and it sounds like it took hours, if not days, for the other folks to figure out what should have been done, even though they had every resource possible back at the department building. Personally, I would have handled it differently, but that's just due to my views. It sounds like having the one empathetic cop there really made things easier for you. I'd say that was a stroke of good luck for you.

I fully support your decision to contact the media about this. Your civil liberties were poked a bit, but not necessarily molested. That bothers me a bit, but what really gets me is what I quoted above. My personal opinion is that most traffic violaters aren't an immediate and dangerous threat to society. We don't need to, and shouldn't be jailing them, wasting their time and wasting tax dollars when deputies could be out doing something more important, something which actually aids the community in some demonstrable way. I have a feeling that the general public would agree, especially given the recent "pork" and frivelous government spending focused upon in the media.

Regardless of what people think of your incident, or how brief (even rude) they are about it, I think the vast majority of us appreciate you sharing this with us. It's always good to hear about a pro-RKBA officer out there erring on the side of respecting our rights. It would also be naive of me to say that I'll never have a court date during the worst week of my life and have it overshadowed. I refuse to make absolutist statements, even when my actions are the sole factor, simply because I've made mistakes before, and I've repeated those mistakes as well.

I'm very glad to hear this won't be tarnishing your record. Take care.
 
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omegaman:
I received two tickets, one for expired registration and the other was for proof of insurance. I believe that you can pay your fine ahead of time if you are pleading guilty and just want to pay the fine. But since a POI ticket is worth 4 points on my license, I had to wait until my court date. I did have insurance, just couldn't find the card anywhere and I wanted to make sure that this part was dismissed and to do so I had to go to court. I had my insurance cards for the past 7 years (since I purchased the vehicle new) but couldn't find the current one....go figure, huh? haha It was even there, I just skipped over it somehow.

I think you're right about the registration being something like (or is) a fix-it ticket, since there were no points value assigned to it on the ticket, and i believe that the fine is somethinkg like $13....it was the insureance that they needed to see and I had to wait for the court date itself.



Rockwell1:


In Colorado if you get a POI ticket the ONLY WAY to get it dismissed is to show up in court with an insurance card dated BEFORE you got the ticket.

4 points of your license will raise your insurance premium just a little.

Correct, and when I did go to court that is exactly what they did. Like I said, the insurance was current, just couldn't find the card at the time. And yeah, 4 points will raise if just a tad.

As to this instance, they way I read your OP the "bad cop" really didn't know so he was asking. (maybe that's not what happened but that's the "voice" you wrote it in.).

No, he wasn't asking, I heard him at least 2 times say it to the other deputy in a way like he was making a suggestion. The other member that was there told me that he was more anxious to take them than what I had witnessed.



Final thought, if you're not willing to tell the whole story we can't give you an honest opinion based on fact.


Nothing of any relevance to this was left out. If you thought there was something that needed clarification, then by all means ask me. But I was pretty straight -forward about everything.


Tamlin: Yep, they seem fairly efficient here, and that's a good thing. My ffl was pretty surprised, not by the fact that my app was denied from a warrant that morning, but more that within a few minutes the SO was calling him asking if I was still there (which I wasn't). He gave them my cell # and even told them that I was going to be at the courthouse in the morning. I didn't receive a call though. It was just a couple of hours after that when the doorbell rang.


markf and flinbryan: from what one cspd officer told me, there are a lot of people who miss traffic court dates. She said that the number is surprising. I didn't think that many people missed it, but apparently there are. whoduthunkit?


AKElroy: aren't bench warrants like what Tamlin was describing, where they don't normally go looking to execute them, but if they pull you over they'll take you in? That's how I thought they were normally treated.


model of 1905:
I am trying to figure out why you would post this at all if you are not willing to reveal the whole story? You choose to withhold information that you deem relevant to the topic and then ask (implied) for sympathy or support. Tell the story or keep it to yourself but to post this as you have, it's either a load of BS or not worth my time reading or your time typing.

What I left out is inflammatory and would cause people just like you to act just like you did. It had nothing of value, importance, or relevance to either side of the story....at all. Apparently you just wanted something juicy to pipe-up about and because I won't stoop down to your level, you attack me...thats' fine, but this is still the High Road, and I still won't mention it, so flame away if you must.
 
I don't disagree that this is the current policy and that I violated it.

If by "policy" you actually mean "the law," then yes, you are correct.

I'm supposed to graduate later this year with my BS in Criminal Justice.

And somehow the idea that you can be arrested for Failure to Appear is news to you? Or are we supposed to be sympathetic to your legal troubles despite your better-than-average education of the "Criminal Justice" system?

I mean people miss appointments all the time, so some sort of grace period (like 48-72 hours) should exist to rectify the situation (like calling or going in to the court) before revoking a permit...yes? no? This is my reasoning behind it: Had I not been arrested that same night in my own home, and I had decided to go to class and was pulled over for some reason, I could have been in bigger trouble for having a concealed weapon without a valid permit, turning a $13 late registration ticket into a firearms charge.

Or you could be aware that A) you violated the law, and B) an outstanding warrant renders your permit invalid. You know, being responsible for yourself, and all that.

"But...but...I didn't feel well. My wife cheated on me." I ran outta gas. I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from outta town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake, a terrible flood, locusts! It wasn't my fault!! I swear to God!!
(--TRGRHPY, channeling Jake Blues)

An alarm clock is twenty bucks; a Post-It Note over the Snooze button, about two cents. You're sitting here whining about being treated like a common criminal when you broke the law, repeatedly (failure to keep current registration, failure to carry proof of insurance, failure to appear). Reading your posts in other threads, you whine about people putting forth the effort, capital, and entrepreneurship to invest in an appreciating commodity (ammo) because it inconveniences you. And, after all of that, you expect sympathy. Here's some free advice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y
 
Flyboy cops DO NOT hunt down bench warrants. They'll arrest you on one if they run across you. But they don't go looking for you. Especially on the day it was issued. Something else is going on here.
 
. But they don't go looking for you. Especially on the day it was issued. Something else is going on here.

I think the NCIS denial is what bumped him up
 
KoB:
That being said, I don't think either of us should be suprised that you were arrested. I think you SHOULD have been able to just call the Sheriff's department from home, tell them you'll be in first thing int he morning,

flyboy:
If by "policy" you actually mean "the law," then yes, you are correct
No, I mean policy and that is exactly what it is. It is a policy of how the law is enforced. Quit trying to think that you know everything.
You would think that a person would be able to rectify this situation that way, becuase that is exactly what they used to do just a couple of years ago. A person was able to either call or go in to the courthouse if they missed a court date (for traffic) and reschedule, since for some (possibly all...not sure) tickets you have to go in to court and cannot pay through the mail. Life happens and people miss appointments. Why they changed their policy of not allowing people to reschedule, I have no idea. But one of the other two people who were arrested while in the courhouse trying to reschedule was a woman with no priors and her flight from back east was cancelled due to bad weather, and she was still arrested. Wasting the time and taxpayer dollars for two deputies to take her to CJC. :rolleyes:


flyboy: you have a knack for thinking you know everything and then being as rude as possible while you try to explain yourself to everyone. I'm not going to waste my time addressing the other BS you make up/twist around.



Rockwell1: You're probably right, that may have been it. There really is nothing else that hasn't been told.
 
After reading the posts on this thread and mulling over my own opinion (which would make for a very long post) I decided to sum it up with a few phases that came to mind such as "zero tolerance", "abuse of authority", "mitigating circumstances", "escalation of situation". But as I have said this just represents my own opinion.
Dallas Jack
 
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