"arsenal" discovered/confiscated in New Jersey

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If the two guys (detectives) were really NOT detectives, but pretending to be detectives, they may have been asking him to "go for a ride with them" to who knows where?

Maybe he had reason to grab a handgun for "the ride."

But then, if he was into some criminal activity, he might have reason to worry, whereas if he was NOT into any criminal activity, he might not have reason to worry and believe that they were actually real detectives.
 
Guys, I understand, he did something wrong! According to the article, he behaved like a complete criminal. That is what I understand. What I DON'T understand is why that wasn't the TITLE and the FIRST part of the article. Really...nobody is seeing this like I do?

"Oh my god, he has a lot of guns and a lot of ammo. Oh, by the way, he assaulted an officer and is suspected in burglary..."

***? Really? The "arsenal" makes the title and "body" of the article. What does one have to do with the other? Yes, this is media bias. Yes, this is an example of brain-washing (obviously). No, I am not into conspiracies!
 
If the two guys (detectives) were really NOT detectives, but pretending to be detectives, they may have been asking him to "go for a ride with them" to who knows where?


yea this ex cop was thinking these 2 real cops weren't there for burgulary case...... i bit of a stretch though without knowing what kinda meds he'd been on for his disability it is possible. some meds make you squirrely.

i strongly suspect the story is gonna have a bad ending though
 
i'm with you, deacon8. i understand that the guy was not exactly on the up and up, but i'm frustrated that the "arsenal" is nearly the entire focus of the article, as usual. how 'bout just running a story about the police arresting a suspected serial burglar or big-time fence or whatever his actual role in this ring was?

also...i am wildly jealous of his round count...
 
Haha, yeah they did mention medications! Gunpowder. Bad stuff, if you're the guy that the media is writing about...Makes you do weird stuff. I guess people start to buy guns and hoard ammo...weird s*** like that! :)
 
Yeah, that was the only "medication" I could find in this thread (other than cassandrasdaddy mentioning it).:rolleyes:
 
they mentioned he retired on disability quite a while back. i know a couple guys who got disability and have had issues with long term pain meds making em real weird. sad to watch. folks get caught up on the legal pills and the effect on their thought processes is the same as for illicit dope. otherwise the guy was just a moron to try the "let me go get my coat" and then try to run and more of one to go for a gun. i'm trying to give him the benifit of the doubt.


whats jersey law about storing supplies? amounts of gunpowder that would require a fork lift?
 
cassandrasdaddy, OK, I see where you are coming from on the medications.

My take on it is that the guy is somehow into underground (sic) transporting of firearms. However, let the system work through the courts before we make a final judgement on the guy.

In one of the articles there are various pictures. There is a picture of a forklift with a wooden pallet (used to place goods on when moving with a forklift). On the pallet, there appears to be several cases of ammunition.

Article & some pictures here:
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Underground-Bunker-Hid-Huge-Arsenal.html

I'd assume the forklift was used because the amount of loaded ammunition we are talking about (half a million rounds) would weigh quite a bit!

Like others mentioned, I would not want my neighbor to have all that in his house (nor would I want all that in MY OWN HOUSE!). Sheesh, if there were ever a fire, the whole neighborhood might be leveled!
 
was some of the stuff so unstable they were burning it there? the grenades gonna be troublesome for him. . i hope he wasn't one of those guys that get in on the fringe ie a friend needs to store something and you have space. i had the cops haul a stolen vehicle outa my yard because i let a guy park it there. he was a good enough guy to come forward and take the heat for it though. i had no idea. thankfully he had a bill of sale so the final heat went to someone who actually stole it. it can be a chore explaining away stuff like that. him going for the gun makes me suspect he was more involved. going for a gun against a couple cops is raising the stakes pretty high

sometimes real weird how the
explosions work. the guy in woodbridge in 81 destroyed part of his house but left a ton of unexploded stuff. he was an ex dc cop and the strangest guy i ever met. not bad just strange.
 
My only question is what happens to the 250 firearms. I bet he had some real gems in their as he likely did not shoot most of them. Unless he had 200 K98s it probably is a collection that could run over 100k. If he is a criminal and the weapons are seized lets hope the local cash strapped government auctions them and does not destroy them. :mad:
 
Jeff 10, if the guns are stolen, they will be used as evidence and ultimately returned to their rightful owners. If they are his and he could lawfully possess them, they will be his property. He will not be able to possess them, however, if he is convicted of a felony or involuntarily committed to a mental institution.

I suspect that those whose owners are not determined will be disposed of by the state, and I join you in hoping that income will be generated from their sale.
 
Hi Rust,

Jeff 10, if the guns are stolen, they will be used as evidence and ultimately returned to their rightful owners. If they are his and he could lawfully possess them, they will be his property.
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If the police and courts operated for the best interest of the people you would be correct, however, the police and the courts operate for the benefit of society. And the owners of stolen property of any kind are very unlikely to have their property returned in the best of circumstance. A firearm???? Please...

If I were cynical I would point out considering his former occupation, he likely obtained the weapons via 'special' police auction.
 
Mistakes we all happen to make:

1) Leaving firearms in plain sight - unloaded or not. If you really need that gun for home defense, it still needs to be out of sight to neighbors and the occasional detective pursuing leads.

2) Associating with known criminals. It's sometimes hard to judge - but trailer loads of property being stored in a rural location means something. Tell your newfound buddies no.

3) Don't be a stranger to your PD. Reclusiveness just creates speculation. If the local deputy/LEO gets a call from you for thefts of property or suspicious activity, you might be a good guy. Them never hearing from you, well, what are you trying to hide? Don't be a pest, but do use the system to your own advantage, too.

We all live in a society - paper delivery, mail delivery, meter readers, county assessors, deputies/LEO's responding to your neighbor, UPS/FedEx/etc all circulate in the vicinity on a cyclic basis, daily/weekly/monthly. Bluntly, you can't hide well if you get attention because you're anti-social and look like you have something to hide. Wrong tactic.

Avoid trouble and look like the rest of the neighborhood. Deflect attention, never display your firearms, and for crying out loud, don't give people an excuse to think otherwise.

This is an Epic Failure in low profile. Don't let the voices tell you otherwise.
 
Sounds like according to thre news media and neighbors anyone with over 10 guns and 1000 rounds of ammo would be a arsenal?
 
whats jersey law about storing supplies?
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Our only laws on that subject relate to powder. You can store up to 36lbs. of smokeless powder, and up to 5lbs. of black powder. Any more than that, and you have to apply for a permit.
 
500K Rounds of Ammo

500K rounds of Ammo is such a small ammount it dosen't require any special storage requirements according to OHSA. Even as anal as they are, they say you must posess over 750K rounds before you have any special storage requirements.
 
Tirod,
Them never hearing from you, well, what are you trying to hide?
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When LEO's take that attitude about people minding their own lawful business they have no room to gripe when they get 'bashed.' I suspect that thing about being 'secure in their persons, papers and property' is an affront to an LEO's sensitivities. Comments like that is a good sign such suspicions are warranted.
 
Yes, according to the satellite map, it is rural, however it appears that there are neighboring homes in rather close proximty to one another.
 
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