As a prepared home defender, firearm owner, are you prepared for the suppression of hostile fire?

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I don't mean to rehash a subject if it has already been discussed however I did search the index for "fire suppression" and "hostile fire" as you can imagine it is a rather all encompassing term so I may have overlooked any previous posts in specific regard to my post.

This may not apply to many of you who live on several rural acres and is meant for urban dwellers or those living in close proximity to others. With all of the lawlessness I have witnessed these past several years in the form of roving mobs rioting in city streets and peaceful protestors in neighborhoods does your home defense plan take into account fire as a threat and when I say fire I mean ARSON?

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Amongst the rioters and peaceful protestors there seem to be a great many "firebugs" or pyromaniacs, who sets fire to random objects and structures as a form of gratification. While smoking out Billy the Kid in his hideout has proven effective in the past I think any home defense game plan changes quite quickly with the introduction of an uncontrollable fire. Are many people prepared for this? or have a plan in place to mitigate the dangers?

On another highly fractious internet forum I saw the circulation of comments and imagery where police, and police vehicles, not to mention the many commercial structures which have been burned to the ground but also advice and/or comments on how to do so. I didn't know for example that a Molotov cocktail is best made by soaking a rag in an incendiary substance and trying it around a capped bottle as compared to inserting in said bottle. This caused me concern..... I asked myself why are people discussing this? and why are they posting videos of these object then being thrown at occupied police vehicles.

Since this is a sub-forum on strategies, tactics I felt the need to inquire as to how many people have considered this form of assault in their home defense thought process?

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I hope I have not reintroduced a nonsensical subject that I am unaware has already been well discussed or is far too off-topic than I intended.
 
Yes, this is a topic that I have often considered. Thank you for posting here.
With only a limited number of adults in household, it is difficult to watch in a 360* fashion.

Even switching-on lawn sprinklers and/or soaking house with a hose has limited benefit.
One would almost need to find a way for drenching water to be directed at the home itself.
 
yeongjo said:
I don't mean to rehash a subject if it has already been discussed however I did search the index for "fire suppression" and "hostile fire" as you can imagine it is a rather all encompassing term so I may have overlooked any previous posts in specific regard to my post.

This may not apply to many of you who live on several rural acres and is meant for urban dwellers or those living in close proximity to others. With all of the lawlessness I have witnessed these past several years in the form of roving mobs rioting in city streets and peaceful protestors in neighborhoods does your home defense plan take into account fire as a threat and when I say fire I mean ARSON?

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Amongst the rioters and peaceful protestors there seem to be a great many "firebugs" or pyromaniacs, who sets fire to random objects and structures as a form of gratification. While smoking out Billy the Kid in his hideout has proven effective in the past I think any home defense game plan changes quite quickly with the introduction of an uncontrollable fire. Are many people prepared for this? or have a plan in place to mitigate the dangers?

On another highly fractious internet forum I saw the circulation of comments and imagery where police, and police vehicles, not to mention the many commercial structures which have been burned to the ground but also advice and/or comments on how to do so. I didn't know for example that a Molotov cocktail is best made by soaking a rag in an incendiary substance and trying it around a capped bottle as compared to inserting in said bottle. This caused me concern..... I asked myself why are people discussing this? and why are they posting videos of these object then being thrown at occupied police vehicles.

Since this is a sub-forum on strategies, tactics I felt the need to inquire as to how many people have considered this form of assault in their home defense thought process?

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I hope I have not reintroduced a nonsensical subject that I am unaware has already been well discussed or is far too off-topic than I intended.
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Not at all. It’s an insightful thought, and a real concern that people should be reminded of. Fire extinguishers are pretty basic anyhow, but also relevant for home security.
 
JohnKSa said:
"…If you couldn't stop them from starting the fire, what changed so that you can stop them from preventing you from putting it out?…"
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The biggest hurdle would likely be other people suddenly piling-on to make extinguishing even a small fire challenging…prior to it rapidly becoming a big fire.

Realistically the only way I see to reduce fast-moving flames is having a stone/poured concrete building with a slate roof coupled with capability to drench the entire structure in an instant.

That naturally does not even address detached buildings or people breaking windows to start fires inside.
 
I would imagine for city-proximal and suburban residents it is probably the biggest threat during social upheaval. It can instantly push residents (and their minor dependents) into a very exposed situation with nearly nothing in the way of supplies. If widespread in nature, the chaos might even disguise other crimes. Tough topic indeed.
 
JohnKSa said:
If you couldn't stop them from starting the fire, what changed so that you can stop them from preventing you from putting it out?
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I envision most such scenarios as a gang of punks tossing Molotov cocktails in a drive-by. I would think someone must've really pi$$ed off some crime lord to be flushed out by fire then shot.

We have a home defense plan that includes extinguishers and window chain ladders. God help us i if we need them all at once.
 
yeongjo said:
I don't mean to rehash a subject if it has already been discussed however I did search the index for "fire suppression" and "hostile fire" as you can imagine it is a rather all encompassing term so I may have overlooked any previous posts in specific regard to my post.

This may not apply to many of you who live on several rural acres and is meant for urban dwellers or those living in close proximity to others. With all of the lawlessness I have witnessed these past several years in the form of roving mobs rioting in city streets and peaceful protestors in neighborhoods does your home defense plan take into account fire as a threat and when I say fire I mean ARSON?

View attachment 1038876

Amongst the rioters and peaceful protestors there seem to be a great many "firebugs" or pyromaniacs, who sets fire to random objects and structures as a form of gratification. While smoking out Billy the Kid in his hideout has proven effective in the past I think any home defense game plan changes quite quickly with the introduction of an uncontrollable fire. Are many people prepared for this? or have a plan in place to mitigate the dangers?

On another highly fractious internet forum I saw the circulation of comments and imagery where police, and police vehicles, not to mention the many commercial structures which have been burned to the ground but also advice and/or comments on how to do so. I didn't know for example that a Molotov cocktail is best made by soaking a rag in an incendiary substance and trying it around a capped bottle as compared to inserting in said bottle. This caused me concern..... I asked myself why are people discussing this? and why are they posting videos of these object then being thrown at occupied police vehicles.

Since this is a sub-forum on strategies, tactics I felt the need to inquire as to how many people have considered this form of assault in their home defense thought process?

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I hope I have not reintroduced a nonsensical subject that I am unaware has already been well discussed or is far too off-topic than I intended.
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This is a good topic. I confess that I personally never thought about it. I do have two fire extinguishers but that's about it.

In at least some states it is legal to use deadly force on someone in the process of setting an inhabited structure on fire.
 
Normally we think of break-in / burglary and fire danger as two different things, and prepare for them in entirely different ways. If somebody attacks you by way of arson, a lot of suppositions about his motives go out the window. Material gain, from his point of view, is not a factor. Pure destruction and/or bodily harm is the intent.

If somebody sets fire to your house, and then sticks around to shoot anybody trying to put the fire out, that's an unspeakably bad scenario. The only thing that will save you is timely intervention by both the fire and police authorities.

The question to ask, is what did you do to engender this mortal hatred in the first place?
 
The question to ask, is what did you do to engender this mortal hatred in the first place?
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NO. That is not the question. Someone setting fire to an occupied building is engaged in attempted murder. Their motivation isn't really relevant. Perhaps they think you are someone else. Perhaps they are mentally unstable. Perhaps they don't like you. Perhaps they just like burning things. It doesn't matter, and soul-searching to try to determine if you've somehow focused their attention on you is neither relevant to the recommended course of action nor is it productive.

We don't blame rape victims for bringing it on themselves or ask what they did that motivated someone to commit such heinous acts against them. Same principle applies here.
 
AlexanderA said:
The question to ask, is what did you do to engender this mortal hatred in the first place?
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LOL...... what type of question is that, that is the type of question I'd expect from law enforcement. Look around bubs, what is happening to America lately?
No my intent was for others to consider the possibility they may not have considered, that of degenerates throwing incendiary devices into peoples homes randomly.
I doubt those doing it would even be interested in anything more than watching the show as it unfolds. If lunatics have burned hundreds of automobiles already what is to stop them in the future of burning hundreds of homes...... certainly not the police or the fire department.
Name a single person arrested in Kenosha, arrested for arson for the hundreds of vehicles destroyed. I haven't heard of it.
Fire departments are not prepared to battle multiple fires city-wide even in a small city like Kenosha. People should expect the unexpected, and plan accordingly.
 
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I think about this all the time.
I have a high volume of water faucet inside my home connected to a garden hose long enough to go all around.
 
AlexanderA said:
The question to ask, is what did you do to engender this mortal hatred in the first place?
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You mean like those kids at Columbine? What did they do? What makes you think someone would have to have done something to provoke this? You know who Paul Kenneth Keller is? This guy did not need a motive.

Anyway, there are a lot of things people can do to get you to come out of your house. Having spent a lot of the best years of my life in 3rd world lawless regions, fire is something that will get the attention of other people and they will come out to help, which can defeat the purpose. So a fire is not always beneficial to BGs. If it is a BG or group of BGs trying to keep things quiet, they can resort to pretty horrific tactics to get you out of your house. They really just want to get that door open so they can rush in and take control and from there things get worse. These places the BGs will get a child from a neighbors house they have taken control of, a child you would probably know well, and they will severely injure the child (I won't describe some examples ) to where they are screaming hysterically in pain just outside your house. Those who are unsuspecting will go out and help. But after word gets around, people get wise to it.

Just a tip if you do get a bunch of fire extinguishers, like me, put a big strip of luminous tape on them. If there is a room on fire, you might have to go to the next room to get one...power could be out, you could be in shock, just don't set yourself up to be reaching around for one. I put luminous tape on a lot of things to include my flashlights.
 
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It almost seems like a well-decorated interior steel shutter system would certainly be useful.
I have no idea how that would be incorporated into existing construction and not look weird, though!
Based on recent rioting scenarios it would likely not be specific targeted people, just unfortunate ones.
 
This is an interesting thought experiment similar to one i saw on another gun forum.

If 80-100 folks in a mob desended on your home what would you do?

I live in the sticks but eventually after the mobs are done with the suburbs they will spread out.

Something to think about.
 
Blue Jays said:
Based on recent rioting scenarios it would likely not be specific targeted people, just unfortunate ones.
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Thank you, that was my point. I think the easy answer is mentioned above, a means readily available to put out the fire, several fire
extinguishers
I simply swear it seems to me the world is getting crazier and crazier. For example someone just ran a SUV through a downtown parade of young girls marching in Wisconsin.
These things are impossible to predict. From the pictures I have seen it looks like a stolen vehicle was abandoned at 338 maple Ave Lower, Waukesha, WI. One suspect in custody, 2 additional suspects being sought.
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I have two extinguishers in my reloading room and as well as in the basement and the first floor. I also keep track of the charge on each one. I had a couple that were recalled and replaced. In addition I have what I call a roamer that is located in the center of the house that I can get quickly and carry easily.
 
Blue Jays said:
It almost seems like a well-decorated interior steel shutter system would certainly be useful.
I have no idea how that would be incorporated into existing construction and not look weird, though!
Based on recent rioting scenarios it would likely not be specific targeted people, just unfortunate ones.
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When I was house-hunting here I did see one house in a neighboring area with pull-down steel shutters outside. I believe the sellers were snowbirds and put the shutters down when they left for the winter each year, but if a person had that and it was automated so a push of a button inside the house would close all of them at once, that would pretty much do the trick.

I actually think marauding arsonist gangs are pretty unlikely here, but I do have the 3M security film on all my windows, which would prevent a molotov cocktail from being thrown in, although my motivation was rather to make it very noisy and time-consuming for anyone to break in... a garden-variety burglar would likely quickly give up, and if it's G-d forbid a mob I have time to get to my defensive position. (Exterior doors all have steel security doors outside, no entry that way either.)
 
armydog said:
You mean like those kids at Columbine? What did they do? What makes you think someone would have to have done something to provoke this? You know who Paul Kenneth Keller is? This guy did not need a motive.

Anyway, there are a lot of things people can do to get you to come out of your house. Having spent a lot of the best years of my life in 3rd world lawless regions, fire is something that will get the attention of other people and they will come out to help, which can defeat the purpose. So a fire is not always beneficial to BGs. If it is a BG or group of BGs trying to keep things quiet, they can resort to pretty horrific tactics to get you out of your house. They really just want to get that door open so they can rush in and take control and from there things get worse. These places the BGs will get a child from a neighbors house they have taken control of, a child you would probably know well, and they will severely injure the child (I won't describe some examples ) to where they are screaming hysterically in pain just outside your house. Those who are unsuspecting will go out and help. But after word gets around, people get wise to it.

Just a tip if you do get a bunch of fire extinguishers, like me, put a big strip of luminous tape on them. If there is a room on fire, you might have to go to the next room to get one...power could be out, you could be in shock, just don't set yourself up to be reaching around for one. I put luminous tape on a lot of things to include my flashlights.
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Luminous tape, that's a great idea. Any specific recommendations?
 
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