Atlantic Arms Saiga Conversion First Shots!!

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Several weeks ago I received a new AK47 conversion from Atlantic Arms. Its listed as the RAK HICAP. If you read my earlier thread you know I had to wait a bit to receive my rifle but Atlantic Arms was very generous and threw in some nice freebies for the wait. They even sent me some nice steel mags later when they heard I hadn't received them. A very good company if you ask me.
I took the weapon to the range yesterday with nine magazines and about 170 rounds of Yugo surplus, Wolf 112gr HP, and Wolf 154gr SP. The mags consisted of the Promag 30rd that comes with the weapon, 30rd and 45?rd Master Molder magazine comped by Atlantic Arms, the two steel mags compliments of AA, and four other steel mags bought locally. I started with the promag magazine since thats the one that comes with the weapon. Its not that bad of a magazine and it worked just fine. The Master Master molder magazines were next and I'm not a big fan of their quality. The 30rd mag worked fine but the last round of the 45rd round jumped out of the mag and failed to feed. (pic) All of the steel mags fed perfectly. The AK47 shot very smoothly and I was surprised how accurately I was able to shoot with it. I'm going to fit it with a POSP scope later to see what it is really capable of. I had one other FTF. This was ammo related. The primer of one of the Wolf rounds was obviously smashed in sideways. It popped but didn't ignite the round (pic) .
Earlier there was some debate about the bullet guide installed by Tennesee Gundworks on this conversion. To put it simply there isn't one. They welded a bead across the trunnion and ground it to a ramp. Regardless of what you think it worked just fine. Ammo fed smoothly and as far as I'm concerned its one less part that could break or malfunction. If its not broke, I'm not going to fix it. It feeds, it shoots, I'm very satisfied.
As far as handling the weapon the trigger was very crisp. A long but very smooth take up and a crisp let off with no trigger slap at all. The sights are good. The rear sight has a large notch which is good for fast shooting but not the best for pure accuracy. Regardless I would say its a very good example of the AK47 platform. I will probably cut some air vents in the front guard. It got pretty dang warm shooting all that ammo. It wasn't nearly as hot as the barrel but it was enough to make me nervous about melting plastic if I wasn't careful.
 

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More pics..........Video

I also posted a video of my first shots on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG6A6JMCmQQ

I would highly recommend the Tennesee Gunworks Saiga conversion and Atlantic Arms. They both did a great job for me.
 

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Besides looks, is there any reason to spend an extra $300 for the Saiga conversion that Atlantic sells that has the standard AK forearm?
 
The other one has a more authentic AK front end and front sight. Accessories are probably a bit easier to mount on the front too. Personally I didn't see the need to spend another $300 for it. To each his own though. If you want a Russian AK than your choices are pretty limited.
 
A quick question: once the bullet guide is installed, all AK mags for that caliber work? I've been reading up, but there are talks of mag conversion at the same time as the bullet guide in a tutorial I'm reading, so I'm a bit confused.
 
crushbup said:
A quick question: once the bullet guide is installed, all AK mags for that caliber work? I've been reading up, but there are talks of mag conversion at the same time as the bullet guide in a tutorial I'm reading, so I'm a bit confused.
As with standard Kalashnikovs, some mags will work better than others.

If done correctly, all military surplus mags should work in a converted 7.62x39 Saiga.
 
I'm probably going to get one of those soon (like, 'place the order by Monday' soon) from AtlArms as well. Then, after I make sure it works, I'm buying a more traditional foregrip furniture piece for it.

glad to hear it works as good as people say it does, even if a custom job can do better.
 
RP88 said:
glad to hear it works as good as people say it does, even if a custom job can do better.
Bullet guides are not a "custom feature".

They have come standard in Kalashnikovs for decades, and are still being used today.
 
Read above. I explained this weapon does not have a bullet guide as the trunnion has been modified with a weld. I used 6 surplus mags, two 30 round Master Mold mags, and one Promag that all fed perfectly. I even posted a picture of the weld above. All the bullet guide does is tip the bullet up as it is pushed out of the magazine. The welded guide serves the same purpose.
 
jon in wv said:
Read above. I explained this weapon does not have a bullet guide as the trunnion has been modified with a weld. I used 6 surplus mags, two 30 round Master Mold mags, and one Promag that all fed perfectly. I even posted a picture of the weld above. All the bullet guide does is tip the bullet up as it is pushed out of the magazine. The welded guide serves the same purpose.
We've all seen your pictures and nobody is saying you have a dysfunctional rifle. We are saying that Tennessee Guns is off the beaten path when it comes to "bullet guides". Their method is new to the scene and it is unknown as to its durability or long term function.

For all we know, they may be on to something and your rifle may run fine for your great grandchildren . . .
 
I was answering Crushbups question about installing a bullet guide. I wasn't referring to you nalioth. I agree with you the bullet guide is unorthodox. It seems to work fine though. I was already lined up with my gunsmith to install a bullet guide but I don't think it's going to be necessary. It feeds really smoothly. The only malfunctions I had were with a defective round and with a magazine that I didn't really expect to work anyhow. I'm happy.

RP88, I think installing the standard front furniture is more of a task than you would think. There are a few parts that would have to be replaced to make it fit. I like the Saiga furniture. It seems to cover and protect the gas tube a little better. It retains a bit more heat but it may be tougher for banging around in the woods.
 
As with standard Kalashnikovs, some mags will work better than others.

If done correctly, all military surplus mags should work in a converted 7.62x39 Saiga.

Oh, okay, thanks!
 
I've been watching for you "range report"

glad to hear the weld bead bullet guide works.....

I would attribute the last round FTF on the 45 rounder to the mag. and not the rifle.

As noted already, the bullet guide is standard AK hardware.....it is removed by Saiga to make the "sporter" rifles non-compatable with high cap mags, and thus legal to import as an assembled rifle.

The slot in the Saiga mag catch is also smaller than needed to run standard mil. surp. high caps. The "normal" Saiga conversion requires either the notch to be opened up (easy to grind) or replaced with standard AK mag. catch.

Some chose to grind down the lock tab on the mil. surp. mag. itself, so they can continue to use the 10 round sporter mags.

Happy shooting!
 
I think the older Yugo ammo is corrosive but the 70s era stuff I ordered isn't (I think)

As far as the fit of the mags, if any mod is necessary TN must have done it as all the mags I used fit perfectly.

Also, I do attribute the one failure to feed to the magazine. The Master Molder magazines are pretty cheap. If you look at the pics the plastic is thin and the springs weren't all that strong. I put thirty rounds in that mag. 29 rounds went just fine. I think the last round just jumped out and misfed. It ran perfectly with the other mags. Even the Promag magazine seemed much better constructed.

Thanks for your patience those that waited for my range report. My wife just came from her tour in Iraq and we have been busy visiting relatives and "catching up". :)
 
As SSN Vet noted. The slot for the mag catch on the Siaga is too small to fit a standard AK mag into. Either the mag or the catch must be filed down to fit. The Surefire mags for that caliber are nothing more than modified AK mags.
 
poor richard said:
The Surefire mags for that caliber are nothing more than modified AK mags.
I suspect you are thinking of the old Surefire mags when they welded up the feed lips on milsurp AK mags for use in Saigas.

Surefire has recently released new polymer 100%-made-in-the-USA magazines for the AK and Saiga enthusiast

surefiremagai3.jpg
 
Just for clarification, is this the same Surefire that takes all my money in exchange for their killer flashlights?


Jon,

That Yugo ammo is corrosive. I hear it's really good stuff, though.
 
SimpleIsGood229 said:
Just for clarification, is this the same Surefire that takes all my money in exchange for their killer flashlights?
No, only the name is the same for the separate companies.
 
I"m not overly concerned about whether or not the Yugo ammo is corrosive. I take care of my weapons. The Saiga also has a chrome bore. It will be fine. I don't think using "commie-bloc" ammo for my "commie-bloc" weapon is going to be the end of the world. The reason I bought an AK over and AR is that I think its a more robust design and can handle a little abuse or shooting ammo that might not be ideal. I've got about 400 more rounds of the Yugo to shoot off. If it makes any difference I'll know.
 
nothing wrong with shooting corrosive ammo i have like 6k rounds of it. I just wanted to make sure you where aware of it in case you try to give it a torture test like some AK owners and never ever clean it..

if you shoot the corrosive first then the non corrosive last that normally cleans most of the corrosive salts out.
 
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