Attempted Burglary? Home Invasion? Attempted Kidnapping?

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I'm not sure what is going on here. My gut feeling is that this was not a random attack and the victims may be involved in something they shouldn't be.......

http://news.yahoo.com/video/home-invasion-suspects-terrorize-san-013830307.html

I wonder why they had the cameras inside the house? I can see cameras outside, but why have cameras inside your home? At the entryways maybe but cameras covering the street and the outside of the house would have been better.

They didn't have any tools to break in with and they armed themselves with the victims own kitchen knives. An unlocked patio door. A simple piece of broom handle could have kept them out.
 
As noted in an other thread, dealing drugs or posting your coin collection on Facebook can lead to a home invasion. As could fishing off someone else's pier.

The video wouldn't load for me, but from the stills it does seem strange that this occurred in broad daylight and that the intruders had no tools or weapons. Odd, that.

I have friends with in-house cameras to monitor baby sitters or otherwise unsupervised teens.

Still, this doesn't ring true to me either. Hopefully details will follow.
 
As noted in the video, the family had installed a bunch of cameras because they had been burgled before. Cameras inside the home are not new or unique. People often have them to watch their homes via the internet, and they serve as nanny cams at the same time. Having cams in your home isn't a sign of nefarious dealings anymore than motion sensor alarms inside the home are.
 
I've installed quite a few cameras in customers homes. Usually just in the common areas, not areas where privacy is needed. A security system may scare the intruder into leaving or not. The cameras will capture who it is. Assuming you have a quality system.
 
The part that I thought was weird was that they installed cameras after the previous burglary but left their sliding glass door unlocked. Usually after one experience people get pretty compulsive about at least locking whatever doors and windows they have.
 
Sometimes you have a million things on your mind and forget. My dad owned our security company and had his house covered with everything the security system was capable of. The one time he forgot to turn it on when leaving he got broke into and cleaned out.
 
Usually after one experience people get pretty compulsive about at least locking whatever doors and windows they have.
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Not only do people get forgetful, but complacent. The family had a fancy security system and so maybe were less vigilant about the doors. Of course, it could have been the sister-in-law and mother of the couple that left the door open, not the couple themselves who had been robbed previously.

Burglary and home invasion sort of go hand in hand. Kidnapping? Probably not. That is just sensationalizing by the media.
 
Jeff White said:
I wonder why they had the cameras inside the house? I can see cameras outside, but why have cameras inside your home? At the entryways maybe but cameras covering the street and the outside of the house would have been better.
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I have a camera in my son's room (toddler) so I would bet it is not uncommon. It is marketed as an outdoor security camera with controllable pan and tilt. When the kid gets a bit older it may live out the rest of its life on an outside wall. And I am willing to bet they had exterior cameras, but the footage hasn't been revealed to public domain.

As far as the suspects using the home's own knives, could be a number of reasons. Couldn't afford their own weapons come to mind. Lack of experience on where to get illegal firearms "on the street" as well. Opportunistic weapons are a favorite of your standard criminal. Where a more professional criminal will have their preferences.
 
ClickOrlando.com .....

Orlando Florida area media site: www.clickorlando.com had a news article about crime prevention/home protection with Sheriff Wayne Ivey. Ivey retired from the FDLE: Florida Dept of Law Enforcement prior to his election as county sheriff.

I think there are good ideas or plans to prevent crimes or attacks that property owners/tenants can take.
CCTVs or alarms systems are a great idea. Having a safe room or panic room is a good plan. I also advise using duress codes or phrases for any danger signs or warnings.
Using common sense or logic helps too, ;) . The victim in the CA incident had a unsecured door, :uhoh: .
Robbers and sex offenders often look for open garage doors or unlocked windows. They might check soc media sources to see if the home owner or family is gone or on vacation then break it.
To get mail or deliveries at a off site location or service is a good idea. This maintains privacy and security.
 
Media story....

The ClickOrlando.com media article states a home invasion/break in occurs about every 12 seconds in the USA. :uhoh:

I agree that to have a garage door or back door-screen door unsecured can lead to a break-in.
Many of these "crews" work in groups of 2-5 people too. They might case a property or neighborhood or pretend to be harmless(lost pet, church group, missing child, etc).

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I'm not sure what is going on here.
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It's a little disturbing that they didn't seem to spend any time looking for stuff to steal but immediately sought out the occupants of the house.

It could be that they thought there was something hidden in the house that the occupants would give up if threatened. Or it could be that the goal was to harm the occupants.
 
Story stated that they put the cameras in after a prior burglary.

As to why the door was left unlocked: Middle of the day, multiple occupants. No mystery, one out of a group wasn't as concerned about security after the first break-in as they were about convenience, or just had a forgetful moment.
 
Having cams in your home isn't a sign of nefarious dealings anymore than motion sensor alarms inside the home are.
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Aaron Hernandez can attest to the benefits of cameras placed inside the home. They can really help solve crimes. :uhoh:

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I actually live a few streets away from this home. Our friends on that same street were robbed one night as they slept (their dog slept peacefully through it all!)

Let me say that this is a nice neighborhood in Silicon Valley, people in this neighborhood don't think about crime, although they should. As for cameras indoors, this is Silicon Valley and you have to be here to understand the types of tech people have access to, and can afford.

This home was chosen at random, it is in a very nice community that's across the freeway from some of the worse in San Jose. These people weren't into drugs, or crime or anything bad, they were just unfortunate. It was an Indian family, the father and mother were at work while a sister and mother-in-law stayed at home to take care of their child, typical for around here. When things went down, they called the father rather than 911, probably cultural attitude ... and because the land line phone had been disabled by the teens.

Nobody knows why the BGs chose to go after the residents after discovering them still home, you can see in the vid that one of them made 2 separate decisions to go after them rather than running, what he would have done to them, we don't know, but from reports, they tried to slash the sister thru the hole kicked in the door she was desperately holding shut.

I think everyone here would have responded the same way I would have, with deadly force, and if I ever run into these folks, I will offer to take them to learn about and shoot firearms. Hopefully to then discuss their purchasing a firearm for HD. India allows their citizens to acquire and own firearms for sport & SD, but the ones you run into in Silicon Valley don't normally come from gun-owning traditions.

Here is a working link to the entire released video. This vid was responsible for both BG's arrests. Good thing it wasn't necessary for use in a murder investigation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyRkS8JkNRA
 
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Thanks for the good link. The video is very clear. Disturbing to see intruders in one's home. Hard to discern a motive here. Strange.
 
Most home break-ins (maybe 95%) are just about theft or vandalism..... the other 5% are straight out of your worst nightmare since they're aimed at hurting or killing the occupants. We're talking rape, torture, murder --when you hear about one of them it's hard to comprehend since rational it ain't....

Here's the MO of a cat burglar that we caught years ago (but not before he'd killed at least seven victims in both California and my state -Florida...). This guy was basically a late night cat burglar who made a point of entering occupied houses -he was looking for the keys to a car and any cash (we always thought of this kind of guy as a "pants burglar" since that's where he'd find your keys and wallet). After gaining entry he'd crawl on hands and knees to the kitchen where he'd get a big knife then, still crawling, he'd prowl into bedrooms. If no one woke up all you'd know is that someone took your valuables while you slept. If a homeowner awoke he'd attack with the knife without hesitation. If he found a female alone in a house it would be a rape -then a murder. We caught him after one of our detectives found a bicycle taken in a murder a few blocks away leaning up against the house he was staying in. Without that lucky break we'd never have had a clue who we were dealing with since he only did one murder in our area....
 
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Most home break-ins (maybe 95%) are just about theft or vandalism..... the other 5% are straight out of your worst nightmare since they're aimed at hurting or killing the occupants. We're talking rape, torture, murder --when you hear about one of them it's hard to comprehend since rational it ain't....

Here's the MO of a cat burglar that we caught years ago (but not before he'd killed at least seven victims in both California and my state -Florida...). This guy was basically a late night cat burglar who made a point of entering occupied houses -he was looking for the keys to a car and any cash (we always thought of this kind of guy as a "pants burglar" since that's where he'd find your keys and wallet). After gaining entry he'd crawl on hands and knees to the kitchen where he'd get a big knife then, still crawling, he'd prowl into bedrooms. If no one woke up all you'd know is that someone took your valuables while you slept. If a homeowner awoke he'd attack with the knife without hesitation. If he found a female alone in a house it would be a rape -then a murder. We caught him after one of our detectives found a bicycle taken in a murder a few blocks away leaning up against the house he was staying in. Without that lucky break we'd never have had a clue who we were dealing with since he only did one murder in our area....
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That just plain scary and the main reason I keep a bolstered handgun bolted to the frame of my bed.
 
Even the possibility of a late night creeper in your house is enough to keep anyone awake.... In my case we have two labrador retrievers that would just raise cain if anyone tried to sneak the house. They're actually quite friendly but they could wake the dead when they get to barking at night.

The item we all might remember is that most houses are just like mine... all too well equipped with nice sharp knives. Mine are in a butcher block right where anyone can find them. As a result I'll be automatically considering any intruder as an armed individual if there's an encounter. I'd like to go the rest of my life without such a problem....
 
lemaymiami said:
Even the possibility of a late night creeper in your house is enough to keep anyone awake.... In my case we have two labrador retrievers that would just raise cain if anyone tried to sneak the house. They're actually quite friendly but they could wake the dead when they get to barking at night.

The item we all might remember is that most houses are just like mine... all too well equipped with nice sharp knives. Mine are in a butcher block right where anyone can find them. As a result I'll be automatically considering any intruder as an armed individual if there's an encounter. I'd like to go the rest of my life without such a problem....
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Same here my wife is a super light and our cats raise Cain when strangers start up the drive. Last month I was home with a Migraine and one of those folks who leave handbills on you door came by and the cats went nuts hissing. So I got up grapped my pump gun and my phone and waited. Once the cats calmed down I peeked out the window as he went to the house across the street.
 
Apparently it was an inside job:

https://gma.yahoo.com/california-te...osecutors-121910228--abc-news-topstories.html

A California teen was allegedly the mastermind behind a May home invasion robbery at his father’s home, prosecutors said.

Simerjeet Singh, 17, who was arraigned Friday, was charged with felony first-degree burglary and robbery in Santa Clara County Superior Court in connection with the May 8 incident, Deputy District Attorney Madeline Seiff said.

The other suspects -- suspected gang members, according to prosecutors -– were identified as Moses Perez Herrera, 17; Alvaro Valdivia, 16; and Moses Noel, 22.

All of the suspects are being charged as adults, Seiff said. .....rest of the story at the link
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This goes to further two common themes.

1) It's usually an intruder known to the family.

2) The intruder doesn't have to be known to you, just known to a member of your family.

Keep an eye on who you know and let into your home, keep an even sharper eye on those your family (especially kids) hang out with.
 
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