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[Diggers]

So why is it always CA? I live in CA and we are fighting the anti laws and have had some good wins in the recent past.

I think CA is gets yapped about SO much in gun forums such as THIS that people out there have a somewhat skewed idea of reality here in CA.

Yes, CA has some strict gun laws in some specific areas but so do other states and often times other states laws are actually more strict than CA’s!

Why don’t I ever see a blanket statement of --No sales to NJ or IL or Mass.-- posted on gun broker or other sites??

I think CA has become the whipping boy for this issue and people hear about it so much they just are running scared.

I recently bought a nice Kentucky black powder rifle from cabela’s and had it shipped to my house no problem.

Good thing I don't live in HI, IL, MA, MI, NJ or NY because I couldn't of done that in those states.

The folks in those states should probably move here.

 

[lizziedog1]

There are many subjects on this forum that I know little or nothing about. That is one reason I am a member here and visit here as often as possible, to learn stuff!

One area I do know something about is California. I was born there and spent the first ninety percent of my life there. I was convinced I was going to be buried there. For the last few years I have lived in the bordering state. I didn't move because of gun laws, but the change in gun laws and gun attitudes sure makes this place nice.

Even though some of my reponses here pick on the Golden State and its folks, I really support their progun people and wish them all the luck in the world.

Some folks here mention that the gun owners of California should not be blamed or punished for the laws enacted there. I do agree, but not one hundred precent. Some California gun owners do have some blame to shoulder.

I used to frequent a trap club there. That is when the Evil Black Rifle laws were making their way through the system. Some of the trap shooters were actually in favor of these laws, they figured Perazzi and Browning Shotguns were safe. When California went to limit magazine capacities, again, I knew some gun owners there that either supported or didn't care, it didn't affect their particular shooting hobby.

Also, if you think only laws related to guns make California a poor place to live, guess again. I mentioned this before.

In downtown Sacramento they have the state law library. They have laws books from all the states. Most of the states have a shelf or two dedicated to their laws books. A whole section of the library is dedicated to California law books.

I apologize for this ranting and raving. I do support gun owners from any state. I do pray that the good people in California can get things turned around, not just for guns, but everything. But, some of the gun owners there do have to share some of the blame for the laws they have to live under.

 

[whalerman]

This is a great debate. I understand both sides. As a NYer, I'm tempted to side with the defenders of California gun owners who say they should not be held to blame for the Nazi-like gun laws that are proliferating in that state. But I can't. Whether we live in MA, NY, NJ, CA, IL, or any of the other states that have trampled the Constitution we bear responsibility for the government we elect. Our ignorance and lack of involvement has encouraged this. How many of us own guns, but aren't NRA members, who shoot or hunt, but don't vote regularly, who own guns for defense of our family, but have never written a letter to the editor or made a campaign contribution? We have been lazy and have allowed others to fight for our rights. Then we're quick to complain with these rights are limited. Perhaps the greatest failure of the citizens and gun owners of these problem states is the way they have allowed their schools to be taken over by anti-gun zealots. This has ensured an atmosphere where winning elections gets more difficult all the time. No, I'd like to say it isn't the fault of gun owners, but I believe it is. It is our resposibility to educate more people with facts and principles.

 

[lizziedog1]

Mr. Whalerman, great reply!

This is going to sound even goofier.

There are many folks here that moved here from California. They moved for many reasons. There is a little bit more freedom here. Also, the taxes are a bit easier on the pocketbook.

But here is the goofy part. They move here from California, then they start to want to change the laws here to replicate the ones they left behind. Come on, look who we send to Washington.

I was out in the desert one day just plinking away into the side of a hill. Some older dude walked up to me and asked if I was concerned about putting lead into the environment. I asked him where do you think lead comes from? He had just moved here from California. I assume he moved here to get away from the goofiness there. Yet, he wants to spread it here.

Californians are not totally faultless for the problems they have there.

 

[EddieNFL]

I recently bought a nice Kentucky black powder rifle from cabela’s and had it shipped to my house no problem.

Bought any 30 round AR mags lately?

 

[orionengnr]

To tell me to move is highly narrow minded. To insinuate that I should get up and leave my friends and family, my school or my job, to go to a state that has better gun rights so as not to support the Commiefornians is just ignorance.

Actually, it is the essence of prioritizing and decision-making. Decide what really matters to you, and act accordingly. Life is tough, and some decisions are exceedingly tough. Part of being an adult.

I used to frequent a trap club there. That is when the Evil Black Rifle laws were making their way through the system. Some of the trap shooters were actually in favor of these laws, they figured Perazzi and Browning Shotguns were safe. When California went to limit magazine capacities, again, I knew some gun owners there that either supported or didn't care, it didn't affect their particular shooting hobby.

Bingo. From my post #88:

And yes, I moved. I started applying for jobs within my company in places other than CA, and eventually my wish was granted. I was transferred to IL in 2001. It wasn't much of an improvement gun-law wise, but I'll tell you one thing:

I met more gun owners and 2A supporters in three years in the anti-2A Chicago area than I met in 20 years in CA.

I never met a Californian who fought for his rights, or who cared very much for the rights of others. I met many who wanted to keep their shotgun or Rem 700 and couldn't care less about someone else's right to own an AR or a handgun. FUDDs describes it perfectly.

I had to stay in IL for three years but actually enjoyed it. In spite of their corrupt politicians and ludicrous laws, the people of IL had a far better grasp of the 2A.

CA gun owners are their own worst enemy. In my 20 years in CA (more time than the OP has spent on this Earth), I never met one NRA member. Not...one. And yes, I was one back then.

 

[rori]

Moving isn't the answer unless your a coward!!!!!!!! The only option is to stay and fight for your God given rights even if it means dying for them.Stay there and fight the Ba0000ds to the death.

 

[MattTheHat]

Moving isn't the answer unless your a coward!!!!!!!!

Coward? How about being a realist?


-Matt

 

[Mike1234567]

Actually, if they could all afford to move and did en mass and within a relatively short time (a few years) and cited why they were moving the message would be very clear. It would hit the kingpins right where it hurts... in their wallets. The loss in tax revenues would be extreme and they would have little choice but to rethink their 2A destruction. But this is just a pipe dream... it's just not practical.

 

[Diggers]

Quote:
I recently bought a nice Kentucky black powder rifle from cabela’s and had it shipped to my house no problem.

Bought any 30 round AR mags lately?

Those mags make my Kentucky rifle look funny.

 

[cacoltguy]

CA gun owners are their own worst enemy. In my 20 years in CA (more time than the OP has spent on this Earth), I never met one NRA member. Not...one. And yes, I was one back then.

Unless you were looking in San Francisco or downtown LA I find that hard to believe. I've only been here 4 years and know quite a few. My local shooting club has a nice facility out in the desert with several pistol ranges, separate 200 and 300 yard ranges as well as a 1000 yard range. Every week from Sept to May (the rest of the year is unbearably hot) there are matches. Most of the attendees are NRA members. Many of my co-workers are gun enthusiasts. Most of us also came from other states to work here. Believe me, I would love to live somewhere more conservative and gun friendly but I'm here shooting, reloading, shooting some more and trying to further my cause as an American. I am politically to the right and vote accordingly. I have taken several people in town here shooting for the first time in their lives and they love it. Care to guess how many military are stationed in CA? Quite a few and plenty of them are gun enthusiasts also. Most of us here are enjoying shooting too much to be worried about whether some looneytoon will refuse to sell us a rifle accessory online for fear that we will flip it for a profit and donate the proceeds to Nancy Pelosi's reelection campaign. But hey, whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night.

Now if you want to experience a gun owners worst nightmare try living in New Jersey. It makes California look like Arizona.

 

[CoRoMo]

I used to frequent a trap club there. That is when the Evil Black Rifle laws were making their way through the system. Some of the trap shooters were actually in favor of these laws, they figured Perazzi and Browning Shotguns were safe. When California went to limit magazine capacities, again, I knew some gun owners there that either supported or didn't care, it didn't affect their particular shooting hobby.

That's the primary problem. People in other states are not the problem.

 

[Bobson]

Moving isn't the answer unless your a coward!!!!!!!!

Coward? How about being a realist?

Agreed. Was George Washington a coward when he left England? How about Thomas Jefferson? Paul Revere? Each one left his home to seek a better life for his family, and each fought for his rights. Not a single coward among them.

A man who's dedicated enough to move from what he knows to a strange new place is anything but a coward. I'd sooner call you a coward for choosing to stay in a land of oppression. And let's face it, that's what California is. You live in America and you're being denied the rights every American is supposed to have, and the rights most other Americans do have.

 

[ljnowell]

Agreed. Was George Washington a coward when he left England? How about Thomas Jefferson? Paul Revere? Each one left his home to seek a better life for his family, and each fought for his rights. Not a single coward among them.

Actually, not to be a jerk, but those guys were all born in the 13 colonies, they were not from England. In fact I think it was two from virginia and one from massachusets

 

[Bobson]

My mistake then, thanks for the correction. And yeah, I really should have figured that myself, since pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock in what... 1640? Way before 1776..

Anyway, my point remains. I wouldn't call the pilgrims cowards, I'd lean toward calling the people who stayed behind the cowards.