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Hey guys, mini rant I guess.

I've been saving up for a specific Russian scope for my Arsenal AK rifle for a while now, and one finally popped up a bit ago up a decent price on Ebay. In the description, the seller has listed something like "No shipping to California because I do not support communist Anti-Gun states." This kinda ticked me off to be honest. I emailed the seller and he never responded. It isn't my fault that California has bad gun laws, so why would selling to me be "supporting" an anti-gun state?

I've seen other sites/auctions with similar lines. What do you guys think? Am I being a whiner or does this seem wrong to you guys too?
 
Ya know, some people are just so anti cal policy that they wont ship even non guns there. Its there option to ship or not ship whereever they want... I wouldent get too annoyed by it. Its pretty common around here.
 
Me personally I wouldn't support that state at all. Comes to if I would sell items to a person in that state meaning that person would stay in that state supporting its function with taxes. I haven't really seen this yet, but not living in CA I don't look for it.
 
I always thought it was punishing the victims. I try to support my shooty friends in CA however I can.
 
IMHO,

I think he should sell to PRO 2A People. Not by their state. He's a shooter, Your a shooter. Both of you are Pro-2A.....
 
As seller, I have the option of selling to whom I please. If I choose not to sell to those who live in the State of Franklin and you happen to live in Franklin, there ain't a single thing you can do about it except to try and change my mind--which is probably pretty much already made up.

The next thing you can do is quit whining:banghead: and find someone who WILL sell to Franklinites.

Or move.:what:

ed
 
Here's the great irony: in the original post, it was stated that the item was found on ebay. How can the seller patronize a notoriously anti-gun site like ebay, and then refuse to sell to California? After all, individual gun owners in California are not responsible for their state's laws, but the seller is very much responsible for supporting the policies of ebay, with his business.

Historically, politically-motivated boycotts never work. Who now remembers the boycotts of California grapes and lettuce, on behalf of the farm workers? Gigantic flops.
 
1) I thought eBay had its corporate HQ in CA?

2) From my company policies:
California
EFI, LLC has registered with the DoJ CFLC program and we will sell any product that we legally can to the public. We will not, under any circumstances, sell any of our products to law-enforcement or state agencies until the California legislature repeals the gun control laws that have been enacted, as these entities have lobbied in favor of statewide gun bans.
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This clown's got it backwards.

I live in a state adjacent to the Peoples Republik of Illinois. I'm not happy about it. When I have to drive across it, I get gas and food before crossing the border of the adjacent state (gotta lock up that gun in the trunk anyway), and don't stop until I'm across. Maybe it's my own little silly thing that only I care about, but I'm not unfairly picking on a citizen of that state, I'm just abstaining from spending money there. If given the opportunity, I would sell any IL resident anything they can legally have (more than happy to take their money).
 
Vaarok said:
I always thought it was punishing the victims. I try to support my shooty friends in CA however I can.
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+1

That even includes occasionally addressing articles in CA newspapers and commenting on blogs from CA. I know it doesn't do much but I figure every little bit helps.
 
Heh, I drive my old car into Illinois on occasion. I work on how to comply with Illinois laws yet be able to get a gun into action soon. An unloaded pistol with slide racked back in a plastic gun case on the floor of the passenger footwell and a loaded mag on the seat seem to be the best move. The gun is "unloaded, in a suitable container" but can still rock and roll in 3 seconds.
 
I don't think it is right not to ship to California out of a misplaced desire not to support the state. Selling someone who lives in that prison-state a gun isn't exactly helping the state.

I do think it is right not to ship to California for fear of running afoul of some stupid law there and then finding out that you're next to be shipped there.
 
Here's the great irony: in the original post, it was stated that the item was found on ebay. How can the seller patronize a notoriously anti-gun site like ebay, and then refuse to sell to California? After all, individual gun owners in California are not responsible for their state's laws, but the seller is very much responsible for supporting the policies of ebay, with his business.

Historically, politically-motivated boycotts never work. Who now remembers the boycotts of California grapes and lettuce, on behalf of the farm workers? Gigantic flops.
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I admit I do not know much about Ebay and the gun rules but I hear a lot about them being anti gun. I do know they sell gun holster, safes, grips, sights and about any other assesory you can think of.

I would like to know in detail what they have done toearn this reputation. I am not doubting you at all. I honestly want to know because I will consider not shopping from them if I know all the details I am just uninformed.

Thanks
 
| Danb1215
| I do think it is right not to ship to California for fear of running afoul of
| some stupid law there and then finding out that you're next to be shipped
| there.

When I sell on Gunbroker (even BB guns), violating a recipient’s state law is my concern. Did anyone know BB guns sent to NJ residents must be sent via an FFL?

Chuck
 
I agree with the concern of breaking a state law. He might sell to you and get a bill from the state for sales tax or find out he broke some stupid anti-gun law. Kalifornians need to take control or move, IMO.
 
That seller is a small-minded, closed-minded jerk. I don't deal with jerks. My gut feeling is he would have cheated you anyway. Keep looking... elsewhere.
 
Let's take it back 235 years. Another oppressive government holding down its people.

What if France and the rest of Europe refused to support the American colonists because of Britain's oppressive rule? "We hate the totalitarian British monarchy, so we refuse to send aid, including arms and ammunition, to the Colonies in their struggle against that totalitarian monarch."

Now, that would have done us no good. Nope.


I think this example is very instructive. It reminds us of the difference between an oppressive government and the people so oppressed. Hurting the latter does nothing to fight against the former. Bubbles has a good idea back in Post #10. Go right to the heart of the problem. Don't hurt the victims worse, thinking that you're hurting their oppressor.
 
This is a continuing argument on the GunBroker Forum. Some want to blame CA gun owners for the bad laws and I keep trying to explain to these dolts that the good people in CA are simply outnumbered by the liberals when the elections come around.

My signature line on that forum sums it up. "Blaming CA gun owners for the bad laws there is like kicking your dog because you don't like the leash law."

I think CA residents should go ahead and bid on items with this statement in the text. Make these boneheaded sellers keep explaining to the auction site owner why they keep refusing to complete transactions.
 
Could be the seller doesn't want to deal with the hassle of navigating CA's seemingly incomprehensible guns laws so he simply refuses to deal w/ CA at all.

Could be he just hates CA or CA's guns laws so much he's willing to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Either way, getting mad at him isn't going to get you your merchandise; find a new seller.
 
Moving

Many responses call for the poster to move from california. How impractical is that as a solution. Keep looking. If I run into one I will let you know.
 
You say its not your fault.

Have you worked to organize a valid opposition to your rulers?---Have you made plans to move?

Personally, I'd move and let the Communists and their enabling freeloaders collaspe on themselves---the more productive citizens that move away, the less of other peoples money they have to spend---the faster the collaspe comes and the sooner things can reset to their proper order.
 
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