Backpacking gun ????

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I am going on a 5 day backpack trip in the Sierra Nevada Mountains. What handgun should I bring with me? I have a large selection to choose from. Normally I would opt for the most powerful caliber, but I am concerned with weight. We will be putting in long days on the trail.

J-frame alloy .38 to save weight?

N-frame 4†629?

Glock 20?

Glock 27?

Ammunition quantity?

Are there any holsters that integrate with a large backpack?

Backpackers, what are your thoughts???
 
Will the area you'll be going into be considered national park or national forest or something else? California has such strict laws on carrying.

I vote for Glock 20 with a couple of mags.
 
I'd go with a 357 revo with a 3" or 4" barrel.

SS's comments are valid. Since backpacking is basically going directly to and from a lawful camping activity, provided the park doesn't have any restrictions, you're fine:

12026.2. (a) Section 12025 does not apply to, or affect, any of the following:
(...)
(12) The transportation of a firearm by a person when going directly to, or coming directly from, a lawful camping activity for the purpose of having that firearm available for lawful personal protection while at the lawful campsite. This paragraph shall not be construed to override the statutory authority granted to the Department of Parks and Recreation or any other state or local governmental agencies to promulgate rules and regulations governing the administration of parks and campgrounds.

and

12031 .2(l) Nothing in this section shall prevent any person from having a loaded weapon, if it is otherwise lawful, at his or her place of residence, including any temporary residence or campsite.
 
J frame
handful of snake shot
handful of 125 gr sd
handful of 158 gr LSWC

get one of the 18 round wallet size carrier and fill it with 6 rounds snake, 6 rounds of 125 JHP and 6 rounds of 158 LSWC. Load the gun with 1 snake, 2 125 gr JHP and 2 158 gr LSWC

Should be enough for most any thing. carry all in a fanny pack out front. Load 2 speed loaders with 5 each 125 gr jhp and 5 158 gr LSWC and put in the pocket of fanny pack.
 
Alloy 38 J frame sounds good to me. In federal park system you are required to carry unloaded. I never worried too much if it was in a fanny pack, still easy to get to and if they dont know your packin they wont know if its loaded.
Gerald
 
I too would opt for the G20. Power, capacity, ruggedness. Its not the lightest youve got but hey, it sure will get you out of any situation you might find yourself in, God forbid..
 
I'm thinking Glock 20 also. How do I carry it? Don't bother with law issues, just give me the best way.
 
I'd bring along the .44 magnum and quit worrying about the slight greater weight. I'd load the first two chambers with snake shot, the rest with hot rod loads in case I encountered a cougar or bear.
 
By now you've already got your mind made up Standing Wolf. But, to my way of thinking its always best to make sure that what you are shooting at has both an entry and an exit wound. Seeing how the smaller Glocks tend to out shoot their larger counterparts I would recommend picking up a Model 29 and carry a high cap mag as a reload.
Some fanny packs have 2 loops on the back which allow them to slide onto the back pack belly band. If it was me I'd probably clip a left hand nylon IWB on the left belly band for a cross draw or just stuff it in the most accessible pocket. That way you can figure out how best to throw down the pack, draw and have cover. :)
 
I've done a fair amount of backpacking in the CA Sierra Nevada and Marble Mountain Wilderness (way up north). On these types of threads, many people recommend larger and heavier guns, and more ammunition, that I would want to carry backpacking. For a backpacker, the extra pound or two of a .44 magnum is VERY significant. That's not to say that it may not be justified under some circumstances, but when you are carrying everything you'll need for a week or so on your back, and you've probably spent hundreds of dollars for an ultra-light tent, pack, clothes, down sleeping bag, etc, you tend to think pretty hard about carrying an extra pound or two of gun that you are VERY unlikely to actually need.

There are no grizzlies in California. Black bear attacks are very rare. Mountain lion problems are probably slightly more likely. People are probably the biggest danger - and that's not likely either. I always carry a gun, and it is comforting, but I've never needed it. Back in the 70's I used to carry a very light (for its day) Charter Arms 4", 5-shot .357. A few years ago I switched to a Kel-Tec P11 9mm (16oz, 11-shot, reliable, but heavy trigger). I also got a P40 for this purpose, but could never get it to work reliably. Recently, I bought a S&W Titanium J-frame .357 (360 Kit Gun - 3 1/8" barrel, 14.5 oz) for this purpose. Recoil with 158gr magnum loads is pretty brutal, but I think it will give me an edge if I ever need to shoot a bear. The nice single-action trigger and good sights will make it easier to hit with. I'm considering getting the Crimson Trace laster grips for it (in the evening/moon light conditions that bear problems often seem to occur, I think being able to put a laser dot on the target might be better than trying to see the sights). Out in the woods, I find I can often see reasonably well at night (well enough to easily distinguish a bear from another camper/log/what have you), but I probably couldn't see my sights against a dark background. I will probably carry aroud 15-20 rounds of ammunition with me.

I must admit that the new S&W Titanium .44 mag interests me, but it is still quite a bit larger and heavier than my .357, and I've read that the recoil is terrible. I actually prefer semi-autos, so if I could get something like my Kel-Tec, but with a single-action capability (for a better trigger), and chambered for a better cartridge (maybe 10mm?), I'd be tempted. I've given very serious thought to a Glock 29 10mm, and may still get one someday, but I really hate the feel of this pistol, and I'm not a big fan of the Glock trigger (makes me nervous - expecially since I often carry in a small fanny pack - across my chest attached to my backpack when on the traiil).

Doug
 
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I second the SafePacker - very convenient and as an added bonus no one need know you are armed.

Unless you are in serious bear country (Alaska), pack a light firearm. How many backpackers do you hear about that are killed by black bears?

And unless you are in mamba/cobra country, you don't really need to shoot snakes (if you have time to draw, you have time to just step around them) so your only real threat is bipedal. I recommend that you just carry something light to stop humans. I personally carry a lightweight 9mm (P11) with hollowpoints and one FMJ reload in a SafePacker. Mrs. roscoe carries a j-frame.
 
Hi Jato,

Are you backpacking alone or with a group?

You might want to carry the one you can shoot the best.

Usually when backpacking you try to save every ounce.

The G20 is going to feel like a large brick after a couple of days out on the trail. What do you expect to be shooting? The only big thing out there is a Black Bear and if you keep your food contained correctly at night you shouldn't have a problem with them. If you actually think you will have to shoot a bear, go for the 629. However, I've backpacked in the Sierra many times and haven't had to shoot anything. I would worry more about two legged critters when you are near roads.

Most of the time I've backpacked in the Sierra I haven't carried because of where I was going or the group I was with. Although, it is a nice feeling to have something. Again, I've never had to touch off a round or even pull the pistol when backpacking. It's not a hunting trip.

If you think it is unlikely you will have to shoot a bear I would go with the G27 or the J frame alloy .38 if you can shot it well enough. I'm better with the G27. I would consider getting a .357SIG barrel for the G27. I would also consider putting night sights in the G27 if it doesn't already have them.

Rich
 
I don't think I would want to be several days from civilization with only a J frame 38 special.

You are more likely to have need to defend yourself against other people than from large animals. My guess is that more people are killed in the woods by other people than by bears, mountain lions, and big foot all together.

I would say take whatever you shoot best in any caliber greater than or equal to 9mm/38 special, but I wouldnt personally want a J frame because they are kind of hard for me to shoot well, especially at outside distances.

For me, I would probably take the G20, but would be equally happy with a 21, 29, 30, or a 1911.
 
I'd go for the lightest option

Black bear's aren't terribly tenacious and a cylinder full of 158's would probably fix him real good. I'd second Roscoe's position on the snake shot. I bet you can step outta his way faster than you can draw down on him. I've run across many a rattlesnake and the only time they get crotchety is when you mess with 'em. Your most likely problems will be with two legged vermin at or around trailheads.
 
I agree with the j-frame. Small, light, and effective. Also easier to keep on your person at all times, just drop in your pocket when you don't have your pack.
 
I agree with taking the Glock 20. When I go hiking I always take my Glock 23 with one extra mag, that way I've got 26 rounds of 40 S&W ready to go. I carry it on an OWB holster and don't even notice its there. I am much more concerned with two legged adversaries than the four legged kind.
 
I spent many years wandering the High Sierras, and other mountains in CA. My standard firearm was a Ruger BH in .41 Magnum. Probsbly not the best choice, but it wasn't oppressively heavy, and I had one... I carried it in a fanny pack worn backwards. IIRC, I never saw anyone else wear a fannypack like that until I started...:D Never needed it, but it was a comfort. 18 rnd ammo wallet went with it.

Tom
 
Thank you all. I am considering every post. I will go with the Safepacker. I went to their site. It appears to be exactly what I need.

I usually have a full size (Glock 22 or 1911A1) with me all of the time. I think I would not “feel†comfortable with only a J-frame. I would feel better with my 3†GP100. But with the fairly heavy weight of a GP100, I might as well have the Glock 20 with 16 rounds in the gun.
 
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