Seeing more and more bullet suppliers ship in plastic bags. Some jacketed soft point and jacketed hollow point bullets seem to be pretty banged up by the time they arrive at my mailbox. Should I worry about accuracy/performance if there are a few dings in the exposed lead of this type of bullet? Thanks.
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A few years ago, there was a company selling a digital bullet balance measuring machine.
(The name escapes me now?)
Rifle magazine did an in-depth story on the testing and came up with a surprising result.
It seems dinged bullets don't matter much.
But dropping boxes of bullets from a few feet makes a huge difference!
Like the guy at UPS loading dock throwing your bullet order off the back of a truck on hard concrete. Or you dropping a box of match bullets off your loading bench.
It seems the impact loosens the core in the jacket, and makes formerly very accurate bullets less so.
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(The name escapes me now?)
Rifle magazine did an in-depth story on the testing and came up with a surprising result.
It seems dinged bullets don't matter much.
But dropping boxes of bullets from a few feet makes a huge difference!
Like the guy at UPS loading dock throwing your bullet order off the back of a truck on hard concrete. Or you dropping a box of match bullets off your loading bench.
It seems the impact loosens the core in the jacket, and makes formerly very accurate bullets less so.
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Basic physics would tell you otherwise: x mass stopped in y time from z velocity = a specific Nz (g force), meaning that it makes no difference how they are packed if they are tossed from the same height and stop in the same length of time.
Methinks your plinkin-quality handgun bullets aren't going to notice being dropped.
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Basic physics would tell you otherwise: x mass stopped in y time from z velocity = a specific Nz (g force), meaning that it makes no difference how they are packed if they are tossed from the same height and stop in the same length of time.
Methinks your plinkin-quality handgun bullets aren't going to notice being dropped.
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When packaged better, they will not stop in the same length of time. They will be cushioned by extra packaging such as bubble wrap etc.
Tips are not very important for accuracy until you get to extended ranges.
Bases are extremely important. If it is dropped and damages the squareness of the base, it is going to affect accuracy.
BALANCE is very important, ie, more concentric jackets. If a bullet is dropped and becomes out of round slightly, it is going to affect accuracy, despite being squeezed back "round" going down the barrel.
Bases are extremely important. If it is dropped and damages the squareness of the base, it is going to affect accuracy.
BALANCE is very important, ie, more concentric jackets. If a bullet is dropped and becomes out of round slightly, it is going to affect accuracy, despite being squeezed back "round" going down the barrel.
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Proper terminology
Meplat - the tip SWCs have a flat nose and truncated cone
The part of the bullet that fully engages the rifling I have
always referred to as the 'barrel' of the bullet, the base is
just the bottom of the bullet flat or beveled base or a wadcutter
could have a hollow base
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Meplat - the tip SWCs have a flat nose and truncated cone
The part of the bullet that fully engages the rifling I have
always referred to as the 'barrel' of the bullet, the base is
just the bottom of the bullet flat or beveled base or a wadcutter
could have a hollow base
R-
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"When packaged better, they will not stop in the same length of time.'
The point is that boxed or bagged, if shipped in another box with "whatever" packing material they add into that box, it's all the same. Even if you find bags on the shelf at a retailer, they came to that retailer packed in another box. Within that box it's doubtful that "boxed or bagged" it makes any difference at all.
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The point is that boxed or bagged, if shipped in another box with "whatever" packing material they add into that box, it's all the same. Even if you find bags on the shelf at a retailer, they came to that retailer packed in another box. Within that box it's doubtful that "boxed or bagged" it makes any difference at all.
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KansasSasquatch
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If handled properly, the packaging won't make much difference. But if handled improperly, packaging makes a huge difference. Think about 2 identical car accidents. All else being equal, would you be more likely to survive a 70mph crash in a car WITH airbags, or a car WITHOUT air bags.
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RC, the bullet concentricity machine was called the Junke (sp?) machine. A friend purchased one and used it to sort his bullets. Accuracy improved greatly as he sorted out the bad ones. After a few years, he found fewer and fewer bad bullets. The story was the factories were using a similar type machine for their QC. Anyway, the company producing the machine is out of business.
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This is one application the Factory Crimp Die was made for.
When the bullets arrive at your home out of round, you can use the FCD as a "finishing die" to fix the out of round/spec bullets.
When I had some rounds that did not fully chamber in the tighter barrel of Sig 1911, I measured the bullet base at several places and the bullet was out of round.
When the bullets arrive at your home out of round, you can use the FCD as a "finishing die" to fix the out of round/spec bullets.
When I had some rounds that did not fully chamber in the tighter barrel of Sig 1911, I measured the bullet base at several places and the bullet was out of round.
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I worked at UPS for awhile, so trust me...they will be handled improperly.
And dont buy cheap bullets.
And dont buy cheap bullets.
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Proper terminology, for that "barrel" of the bullet, call it the Bearing Surface. That's the part of the bullet that comes in contact with the lands & grooves of the barrel
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Isn't the handgun FCD sizing the bullet as It sits inside the case? Couldn't variations in case wall thickness lead to variations in how the bullets within varying cases were sized? (I've never used a handgun FCD, so I honestly don't know for sure.)
It seems to me that the best tool for fixing out of round bullets would be the proper diameter bullet sizing die, that's what they're made for.
They work well on my cast bullets as well as scarred up and out of round machine pulled surplus jacketed bullets that I've used 'em on. A little mink oil for lube and even steel jacketed, steel core bullets shape right up.
As an experiment, I've even sized .311" steel jacketed, steel core Czech 147 grain LPS 7.62x54R bullets down to .308 with no problems, the resulting .308''s were perfectly sized and perfectly round.
Unfortunately, the actual shooting accuracy of those sized down bullets was dismal at best.
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